Merged Senate Report on CIA Torture Program

The Norseman said:
Well, of course! I'm sure logger has thought more deeply about climate science than, say, Ernest Afiesimama.
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Its more common sense, we can't make it warmer just like we can't make it colder. Are e now done with the thread derail, you libs never waste an opportunity to push your religion.
 
logger said:
Its more common sense, we can't make it warmer just like we can't make it colder. Are e now done with the thread derail, you libs never waste an opportunity to push your religion.
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Humans have negatively affected every aspect of this planet. What makes the atmosphere immune to our vile nature?

Please be specific.
 
logger said:
Its more common sense, we can't make it warmer just like we can't make it colder. Are e now done with the thread derail, you libs never waste an opportunity to push your religion.
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Just FYI, I'm not a liberal, though I agree with many points that are generally thought of as liberal, just as I agree with many points that are generally thought of as conservative.
 
logger said:
lol

Rent free

Yes GW is a hoax brought on by people looking for power and money, only a skeptical forum couldn't figure that out. lol

Are you done with the thread derail?
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Yes. We get it. You exist in an evidence free void. It speaks volumes about your worldview. You don't seem to realise that in this community declaring GW a hoax gives you about the same credibility as a Truther, or a moon-landing hoaxer or any other form of denialism you care to mention. That lack of credibility extends to when you ignore evidence about the validity of torture and make arguments predicated on political ideology. It's not rational and it's definitely not sceptical.
 
bit_pattern said:
So having fewer beheadings of American citizens than you could count on one hand, half a world away, is more "dire" than the existential threat of a foreign imperial force waging war against America within the American continent?

Cool story :rolleyes:
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lol

This current enemy has brought warfare to a new low, I guess you missed the reports of hundreds more around Iraq, Syria, and the Kurdish region.

I'll let you decide how dire things are.
 
logger said:
Then I invite you to find the evidence that Sunmaster thought more deeply about this than GW.

Common sense tells me Sunmaster has thought about this more than GW and has a good handle on it. :)
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logger said:
Only to people who have very little in the experience of life. I find it rather common when it comes to leftist.
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I take it back. Apparently "common sense" means an assertion of anything you already agree with, or that is convenient to suit your arguments. Glad to see you admit that all your arguments are circular.

By the way, I don't agree with Sunmaster on everything, but he's actually arguing that torture was wrong. Where we differ is that he believes torture is effective, and that the moral outrage against it is disproportionate. Of course, you'd know that if you read the topic.
 
The Norseman said:
Just FYI, I'm not a liberal, though I agree with many points that are generally thought of as liberal, just as I agree with many points that are generally thought of as conservative.
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That's fine, I'm just not all mixed up.

You must be a libertarian. :)
 
Frozenwolf150 said:
By the way, I don't agree with Sunmaster on everything, but he's actually arguing that torture was wrong.
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Yes I know, I think it is effective (because the CIA says so :) )
I also think it is fine when used on rare occasions, I'd rather let the military decide when, and I'd like to see it kept secret. Oh my!
 
This torture question raises an interesting question, at least as far as it splits along political lines. Do people become liberals because they are attracted to the ideas, or because they find the conservative ideas so repulsive?
 
logger said:
Yes I know, I think it is effective (because the CIA says so :) )
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I like how you agree with a premise without any evidence whatsoever. If the CIA said that psychic phenomena were real and had the potential for military application, would you believe them?

logger said:
I also think it is fine when used on rare occasions, I'd rather let the military decide when, and I'd like to see it kept secret. Oh my!
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Then you should have no problem with things like rape, assassination, slavery, and eugenics, as long as they're used rarely, the military decides when, and they're kept secret.
 
marplots said:
This torture question raises an interesting question, at least as far as it splits along political lines. Do people become liberals because they are attracted to the ideas, or because they find the conservative ideas so repulsive?
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I have no idea. I follow the evidence on an issue-per-issue basis, wherever it may lead and regardless of where it falls along political lines, as opposed to choosing a political affiliation and allowing that label to do the thinking for me.
 
Frozenwolf150 said:
I have no idea. I follow the evidence on an issue-per-issue basis, wherever it may lead and regardless of where it falls along political lines, as opposed to choosing a political affiliation and allowing that label to do the thinking for me.
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But doesn't everyone think that same thing about their own opinions?
 
marplots said:
But doesn't everyone think that same thing about their own opinions?
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Not necessarily. Some people proudly wear the label "liberal" and some people proudly wear the label "conservative." I used to be like that when I was younger.

However, if you're asking if each respective side firmly believes that all the evidence is on their side by default, well then yes. You see this in political debates and in religious debates. People believe that their label makes them right, therefore it saves them the trouble of having to actually think, or question their own beliefs.
 
logger said:
This current enemy has brought warfare to a new low...
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You're OK with letting the enemy essentially dictate the ethics by which we're bound?

logger said:
I also think it is fine when used on rare occasions, I'd rather let the military decide when, and I'd like to see it kept secret. Oh my!
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If it's secret, how do you know who's making the decision and how often it occurs?

marplots said:
This torture question raises an interesting question, at least as far as it splits along political lines. Do people become liberals because they are attracted to the ideas, or because they find the conservative ideas so repulsive?
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It's likely a combination of both, in varying quantities per individual.
 
logger said:
lol

This current enemy has brought warfare to a new low, I guess you missed the reports of hundreds more around Iraq, Syria, and the Kurdish region.

I'll let you decide how dire things are.
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Things have been much worse.

I understand there were 50,000 armed men in Maryland threatening Washington.

I'll let you decide how dire things were.
 
logger said:
Yes I know, I think it is effective (because the CIA says so :) )
I also think it is fine when used on rare occasions, I'd rather let the military decide when, and I'd like to see it kept secret. Oh my!
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What if the military thought you should* be tortured, still on board with it?

*no reason needed, secret you know.
 
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