Shrien Dewani - Honeymoon murder

[pagetheoracle]

Why South Africa for a honeymoon and why drive to a slum area? Something does smell fishy and it's not necessarily the taxi driver or his accomplices. Robbery gone wrong? Why kick out the taxi driver and his passenger but not the wife? He tried his best to avoid extradition, and kicking out the case without answering any of these questions means the judge is totally incompetent in my opinion.

 

[lonepinealex]

Why South Africa for a honeymoon and why drive to a slum area? Something does smell fishy and it's not necessarily the taxi driver or his accomplices. Robbery gone wrong? Why kick out the taxi driver and his passenger but not the wife? He tried his best to avoid extradition, and kicking out the case without answering any of these questions means the judge is totally incompetent in my opinion.

What's wrong with South Africa for a honeymoon??

All your other questions have been answered at length throughout the thread and the four trials. From the Dewani-is-innocent point of view, why would he have answers to those questions?

 

[anglolawyer]

Why South Africa for a honeymoon and why drive to a slum area? Something does smell fishy and it's not necessarily the taxi driver or his accomplices. Robbery gone wrong? Why kick out the taxi driver and his passenger but not the wife? He tried his best to avoid extradition, and kicking out the case without answering any of these questions means the judge is totally incompetent in my opinion.

I suggest you read the entire thread since all these points have been addressed at some point. 'Why SA for a honeymoon?' is not even a point worth considering but it does show how the pro-guilt mind works that you should include it in your list of fishy things.

 

[Information Analyst]

Why South Africa for a honeymoon and why drive to a slum area?

South Africa is not Somalia. It has a thriving luxury tourist industry, and - believe it or not - slum-tourism is a subset that clearly exists within it.

Something does smell fishy and it's not necessarily the taxi driver or his accomplices. Robbery gone wrong? Why kick out the taxi driver and his passenger but not the wife?

The driver and Dewani were kicked out separately. It seems most likely that she would have been next, had she not been accidentally shot, whatever the circumstance sof that may have been

He tried his best to avoid extradition, and kicking out the case without answering any of these questions means the judge is totally incompetent in my opinion.

Have you listened to or read her judgement on the case? It fully explains the issues with "quality" of the case against Dewani, which absolutely dwarf the simplistic points you seem to think are so important.

 

[pagetheoracle]

Don't the alarm bells ring when male prostitutes are taken seriously as witnesses? In the world of male or female prostitutes or drug dealers, truth will be accidental. Murder one is a crazy way to escape a marriage, and I don't believe it, but will do further research with time.

No. Alarm bells ring when someone is paid to be a witness or they show no emotion, when their supposed loved one is killed, yet your bride's sister and brother are still broken up about it two years later. It's Amanda Knox all over again. If neither of these two are guilty they are at least sociopaths, who only seem interested in their own lives and are totally indifferent to the suffering of others.

Tears do not of course mean lack of guilt as numerous cases demonstrate in the UK at least, where people have gone on TV asking for the public's help in capturing a killer, who it turns out is them, despite the waterworks.

 

[Information Analyst]

No. Alarm bells ring when someone is paid to be a witness or they show no emotion, when their supposed loved one is killed, yet your bride's sister and brother are still broken up about it two years later. It's Amanda Knox all over again. If neither of these two are guilty they are at least sociopaths, who only seem interested in their own lives and are totally indifferent to the suffering of others.

You've had a camera on Dewani 24/7 for the last couple of years, have you?

Tears do not of course mean lack of guilt as numerous cases demonstrate in the UK at least, where people have gone on TV asking for the public's help in capturing a killer, who it turns out is them, despite the waterworks.

By "numerous" you mean the very small handful of cases? Seriously, apart from Ian Huntley and Tracie Andrews, how many more can you name?

 

[Samson]

No. Alarm bells ring when someone is paid to be a witness or they show no emotion, when their supposed loved one is killed, yet your bride's sister and brother are still broken up about it two years later. It's Amanda Knox all over again. If neither of these two are guilty they are at least sociopaths, who only seem interested in their own lives and are totally indifferent to the suffering of others.

Tears do not of course mean lack of guilt as numerous cases demonstrate in the UK at least, where people have gone on TV asking for the public's help in capturing a killer, who it turns out is them, despite the waterworks.

Neither of which two? Do you mean Knox and Sollecito?

 

[lonepinealex]

No. Alarm bells ring when someone is paid to be a witness or they show no emotion, when their supposed loved one is killed, yet your bride's sister and brother are still broken up about it two years later. It's Amanda Knox all over again. If neither of these two are guilty they are at least sociopaths, who only seem interested in their own lives and are totally indifferent to the suffering of others.

Tears do not of course mean lack of guilt as numerous cases demonstrate in the UK at least, where people have gone on TV asking for the public's help in capturing a killer, who it turns out is them, despite the waterworks.

Quelle surprise, you're a Knox and McCann guilter as well. No nuance, you'll just believe whatever the tabs tell you based on appearances in snapshot photos. Try a little critical thinking maybe?

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Why South Africa for a honeymoon and why drive to a slum area? Something does smell fishy and it's not necessarily the taxi driver or his accomplices. Robbery gone wrong? Why kick out the taxi driver and his passenger but not the wife? He tried his best to avoid extradition, and kicking out the case without answering any of these questions means the judge is totally incompetent in my opinion.

The judge threw out the case because she realized no proof exists to confirm or remove the dark suspicions swirling around Dewani. Extending the trial would provide more empty fodder for those who do not understand the difference between grounds for suspicion vs. evidence of guilt.

 

[Octavo]

The judge threw out the case because she realized no proof exists to confirm or remove the dark suspicions swirling around Dewani. Extending the trial would provide more empty fodder for those who do not understand the difference between grounds for suspicion vs. evidence of guilt.

A nice summation Charlie - thank you. Pre-trial I was pretty sure he was guilty and that the evidence would show that clearly. The local media combined with the extraordinary lengths the NPA went to, to extradite Shrien were instrumental in setting up this belief. As the trial progressed I was so annoyed with how things were playing out that I stopped following the trial mostly.

Only towards the end of it all, could I see (thanks in no small part to the analysis and commentary here) that although I still harbour some doubts about Shrien's innocence in this matter, I can see that there really is no compelling evidence to rationally back that position up.

I'm left applauding the judge for taking what is obviously a very unpopular stand locally, while still feeling cheated. The media helped form a belief of a wealthy playboy murder conspiracy and now it looks like it may simply have been just another mundane murder-robbery without any big conspiracy.

The fact that this disappoints me in itself is both surprising to me and slightly disturbing. I'm not sure what it says about me as a person.

 

[Samson]

A nice summation Charlie - thank you. Pre-trial I was pretty sure he was guilty and that the evidence would show that clearly. The local media combined with the extraordinary lengths the NPA went to, to extradite Shrien were instrumental in setting up this belief. As the trial progressed I was so annoyed with how things were playing out that I stopped following the trial mostly.

Only towards the end of it all, could I see (thanks in no small part to the analysis and commentary here) that although I still harbour some doubts about Shrien's innocence in this matter, I can see that there really is no compelling evidence to rationally back that position up.

I'm left applauding the judge for taking what is obviously a very unpopular stand locally, while still feeling cheated. The media helped form a belief of a wealthy playboy murder conspiracy and now it looks like it may simply have been just another mundane murder-robbery without any big conspiracy.

The fact that this disappoints me in itself is both surprising to me and slightly disturbing. I'm not sure what it says about me as a person.

Let me be first to say this post says worlds about you as a person, all positive.
Most posters are older (you say you are 33) I think, but no wiser.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

A nice summation Charlie - thank you. Pre-trial I was pretty sure he was guilty and that the evidence would show that clearly. The local media combined with the extraordinary lengths the NPA went to, to extradite Shrien were instrumental in setting up this belief. As the trial progressed I was so annoyed with how things were playing out that I stopped following the trial mostly.

Only towards the end of it all, could I see (thanks in no small part to the analysis and commentary here) that although I still harbour some doubts about Shrien's innocence in this matter, I can see that there really is no compelling evidence to rationally back that position up.

I'm left applauding the judge for taking what is obviously a very unpopular stand locally, while still feeling cheated. The media helped form a belief of a wealthy playboy murder conspiracy and now it looks like it may simply have been just another mundane murder-robbery without any big conspiracy.

The fact that this disappoints me in itself is both surprising to me and slightly disturbing. I'm not sure what it says about me as a person.

I wouldn't feel too bad. You see my avatar, from The Matrix. I think you have swallowed a red pill, and it has left a bad taste in your mouth.

I got my red pill from the Central Park Jogger case, back in the 1980s. I was living in NYC when it happened, and I was oh so sure the defendants were guilty as charged. I argued the point strenuously.

Come to find out, I was dead wrong, and so was practically everyone else. Such is reality vs. comforting faith in the system.

 

[Samson]

The most interesting thing about Leila is that, despite having a brain, she is content to mix with that nest of malicious vipers. Aside from that the texts you quoted do not suggest someone being forced into marriage by her parents.

Leila now elaborates,

"But while following this line of thought suggested by your question, I realized that I'm seeing Shrien as having been driven to extremity by his culture, too. Not driven to murder, obviously: he chose to cross that line all by himself. But driven to desperation, yes. He was a dirtbag and I have no doubts of his involvement, but if his culture had not utterly rejected his way of life, which is perfectly acceptable in our culture, he would never have needed to marry, much less turned to murder. So what it comes down to, is that I guess I should stop blaming the parents, who were just as conditioned as Anni herself. But I still see this murder as something like a human sacrifice to a culture."

Ok so Shrien Dewani is a killer (like Knox) despite having money in the bank and a stone cold certainty of being busted. ( people in close relationships with their victims never get away with murder).

Leila Schneps is a mad woman, RIP someone I had respect for.

 

[anglolawyer]

Leila now elaborates,

"But while following this line of thought suggested by your question, I realized that I'm seeing Shrien as having been driven to extremity by his culture, too. Not driven to murder, obviously: he chose to cross that line all by himself. But driven to desperation, yes. He was a dirtbag and I have no doubts of his involvement, but if his culture had not utterly rejected his way of life, which is perfectly acceptable in our culture, he would never have needed to marry, much less turned to murder. So what it comes down to, is that I guess I should stop blaming the parents, who were just as conditioned as Anni herself. But I still see this murder as something like a human sacrifice to a culture."

Ok so Shrien Dewani is a killer (like Knox) despite having money in the bank and a stone cold certainty of being busted. ( people in close relationships with their victims never get away with murder).

Leila Schneps is a mad woman, RIP someone I had respect for.

Belief in guilt in these cases seems to be a psychic predisposition for some. Also, on that forum, you have to be a guilter, in a general way, just to fit in.

 

[Samson]

Belief in guilt in these cases seems to be a psychic predisposition for some. Also, on that forum, you have to be a guilter, in a general way, just to fit in.

Leila was lonely on that site arguing Pistorius' account was true, so fitting in is not her game. In fact I wish there was some way to encourage her to post on ISF. She did on IIP for some time, on Maths on trial, but stopped when something annoyed her. She is well capable of describing the critical evidence that determines Dewani chose to arrange his wife's death, I would have thought.

 

[lonepinealex]

Leila was lonely on that site arguing Pistorius' account was true, so fitting in is not her game. In fact I wish there was some way to encourage her to post on ISF. She did on IIP for some time, on Maths on trial, but stopped when something annoyed her. She is well capable of describing the critical evidence that determines Dewani chose to arrange his wife's death, I would have thought.

He was a gay pervert!!!. What more do you possibly need?


I have never heard any Dewani guilter come up with more than this. Yeah there's stuff about changing money on the black market and meetings with Tongo, but there are other plausible explanations for those activities. In the end, I suspect homophobia is fuelling the guilters, and is probably what made the police think they had this case in the bag in the first place.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Leila was lonely on that site arguing Pistorius' account was true, so fitting in is not her game. In fact I wish there was some way to encourage her to post on ISF. She did on IIP for some time, on Maths on trial, but stopped when something annoyed her. She is well capable of describing the critical evidence that determines Dewani chose to arrange his wife's death, I would have thought.

She ran into real scientists and forensic DNA experts on IIP. They pulled the pants off her pseudo-science. That is what annoyed her, so she flounced off.

 

[Samson]

She ran into real scientists and forensic DNA experts on IIP. They pulled the pants off her pseudo-science. That is what annoyed her, so she flounced off.

I now regard it probable I give her too much credit for correctly analysing in detail some aspects of these cases. Lke Nadeau as a journalist, she is an approximate scientist and cultural commentator, inflicting much damage in the process, and I won't mention her again.

 

[pagetheoracle]

I suggest you read the entire thread since all these points have been addressed at some point. 'Why SA for a honeymoon?' is not even a point worth considering but it does show how the pro-guilt mind works that you should include it in your list of fishy things.

I'm not saying it makes him guilty, I'm asking what connection led him to go there? Family? Business links? I wouldn't think of it as romantic and it has even more gun deaths and other murders than America, which rarely gets mentioned on TV. This is a perfectly innocent question and your reply shows something fishy in that you haven't given any facts to back up your response, just an emotional reaction.

No I haven't been with him for the last two years, have you? If he's into S&M that would imply he doesn't feel much but is trying to force some kind of feelings into his life, if only physically? Does that make him guilty? No but it does make him seem an unsympathetic character and possibly psychopathic in his attitudes to life.

 

[pagetheoracle]

You've had a camera on Dewani 24/7 for the last couple of years, have you?

By "numerous" you mean the very small handful of cases? Seriously, apart from Ian Huntley and Tracie Andrews, how many more can you name?

There was a Glasgow case this year, where a father it seems had set his house on fire in order to get the family rehoused and it all went wrong, killing some of the children but obviously not him or his wife. In this case I think he was truly sorry things had gone wrong, not that he was trying to cover up his guilt. I don't remember Ian Huntley crying. I do remember him calling upon the public for help on TV though.