Michael Brown shooting II

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tsig said:
If he didn't see the demon face then why was he still scared?

Big black teenagers are most dangerous when wounded?
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A 6'5" 300lb man who has previously attacked you and tried to take your gun who is now running at you for Round 2 is a serious threat.

Do you dispute the facts of this case? If do, which ones and why?
 
I heard on the radio one of the families attorneys saying that Wilson should retain his legal team because the family is going to file a civil suit. Imagine that, a woman that will beat up the deceased's grandmother in a dispute over t-shirts and MONEY will now try and cash in on her son's death.

I have a fourteen year old son. I have told him countless times to comply with whatever a cop says immediately. Believe it or not, I have even taught him not to steal and generally not get in trouble. He has been attacked at school repeatedly by an idiot kid that is half my son's size. The principal has told me that my son has not retaliated when he probably would have been within his rights to do so.

I understand that young men sometimes find trouble (my own history proves that) but I hope the lessons I have instilled in my son will help. If he was shot by a cop, I would be devastated because I know how my son was raised and it would be very strange for him to act in a violent way.. If there was video of him committing a crime and being violent, I would have to accept that he was at fault. I doubt very much I would beat up my mother if she was selling t-shirts. But what do I know. I'm just a single custodial parent and not a felon.
 
Kaosium said:
Here's a pic, but I don't understand your objection, whether he was charging at that moment has no bearing on the fact that the stain indicates he got that far (or close) but that obviously wasn't where he dropped, which was twenty feet back towards the police vehicle in the area surrounded by shell casings.
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For fear this has already been covered, what is the basis behind how fast Wilson was shooting? If a person is staggering, they may go 20 ft., if the shooter is only taking one or two shots at a time, as opposed to all 6 (15 shots fired in total?) one-after-the-other. The shell casings can still land in the same spots. And the shooter can still back up slowly as the person is staggering towards them.

Of course, the problem with this, is that the onus of proving this is on the prosecution in an actual trial.
 
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Nihilianth said:
For fear this has already been covered, what is the basis behind how fast Wilson was shooting? If a person is staggering, they may go 20 ft., if the shooter is only taking one or two shots at a time, as opposed to all 6 (15 shots fired in total?) one-after-the-other. The shell casings can still land in the same spots. And the shooter can still back up slowly as the person is staggering towards them.

Of course, the problem with this, is that the onus of proving this is on the prosecution in an actual trial.
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Do you not realize there is an audio recording of the shots fired away from the car?
 
WildCat said:
This has since been confirmed as authentic, and was presented to the Grand Jury as evidence.

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Ok, so Mike Brown was rushing the cop. There is also this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4gs6zbtxyw

Usually, the initial reaction right after it happens, is most likely the most accurate description. You can hear someone in the background talking about how he was running at the cop, and the same person fairly accurately described the shots. There were like 4 (actually 6,) a pause, then like 4 more is what the guy said. Whoever that was speaking in the background accurately portrayed that part.

Now, I do agree with the guy who uploaded the video: Why didn't the cop reach for his taser first? Yes, it is true that in the heat of the moment, you "body kind of takes over." However, an officer of the law must be a trained professional. At least he tendered his resignation.
 
Nihilianth said:
Now, I do agree with the guy who uploaded the video: Why didn't the cop reach for his taser first? Yes, it is true that in the heat of the moment, you "body kind of takes over." However, an officer of the law must be a trained professional. At least he tendered his resignation.
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From someone who was there...

Witness 10 said:
The gunshot led from the car, the confrontation led from the car. He came out with his weapon drawn, um, trying to pursue the suspect then um, at one point the suspect turns and if he, I felt if he was really trying to give himself up, um, the police officer already has his gun drawn. If you’re really trying to give yourself up, you’re gonna lay down on the ground and you’re gonna let it be known um, but that he didn’t do that and he charged at him and at that time I feel like the police officer he didn’t have time to really react and holster his weapon and re-holster with a taser.
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Ammonitida said:
His reason was that it was uncomfortable given all the other stuff he was carrying on his belt.
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Yeah, and look where it ended him up: A bad name, and a resignation. This, I think, is part of the problem. Many cops do carry a taser, as a largely non-lethal option.

Between a taser, a can of pepper spray, and a baton, there are three options a cop should have before reaching for the gun.
 
I would not rely on a taser if someone is charging me. I linked to this video earlier in the thread.

Watch the video - at about a minute in, the guy in the checkered shirt (Ammon Bundy) gets tasered - twice. He does not go down, he does not lose his balance - he just gets even more angry.

Tasers are useful, but they are also over-rated. They are not as effective as most people seem to think they are.
 
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Yeah, and look where it ended him up: A bad name, and a resignation. This, I think, is part of the problem. Many cops do carry a taser, as a largely non-lethal option.

Between a taser, a can of pepper spray, and a baton, there are three options a cop should have before reaching for the gun.
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Even if he had a taser, he would have been absolutely nuts to have it drawn instead of his firearm.
 
This is from another thread, but it bears repeating here. This poster is a police officer and knows of what he speaks.

Bikewer said:
Taser? Folks really do not understand..... The Taser is NOT a weapon you employ in a deadly-force situation.
They are a limited-range weapon, and not that reliable. You would NEVER use a Taser against a subject armed with a firearm.
One post said he would "tackle" the kid. Great tactic. They teach us that in the police acadamy..."If the guy is about to draw his gun.... Just tackle 'em. Then, you're at contact range and the guy still has the gun......"
I have said this before. The day that someone invents a reliable non-lethal weapon... That "Phaser set on stun".... I will be the first in line to buy one.
No such weapon exists. It's not TV. We do not encounter an armed subject and lay our guns down and stand there and talk the misunderstood fellow down. Officers have tried such foolishness and have been killed.
If this lad had simply raised his hands as directed......He'd be alive now.
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