Michael Brown shooting II

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Yep, the fix was in from jump, as we can see from the "prosecutor's" statement - which is clearly actually a defense statement. Two rather amazing things:

One, um, he blamed "social media", like Twitter shot Brown. C'mon.

Two, the guy who said Brown "charged" at Wilson said that he charged, stopped, and then started charging again? That's even more stupid than George Zimmerman's story.

Heard an *actual* report of gunshots near Ferguson PD. Unlike the previous claims, that seems pretty believable, since it was reported by actual protestors and media.
 
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MG1962 said:
From his statement tonight it seems there may have been a number of people stopped in cars. I would be very interested to see what they said
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It appears that there was absolutely no consistency in eyewitness reports except that somebody appeared to have shot somebody.

Why this didn't even rise to probable cause is a question to which I have not yet heard an answer.
 
Mumbles said:
Yep, the fix was in from jump, as we can see from the "prosecutor's" statement - which is clearly actually a defense statement. Two rather amazing things:

One, um, he blamed "social media", like Twitter shot Brown. C'mon.

Two, the guy who said Brown "charged" at Wilson said that he charged, stopped, and then started charging again? That's even more stupid than George Zimmerman's story.

Heard an *actual* report of gunshots near Ferguson PD. Unlike the previous claims, that seems pretty believable, since it was reported by actual protestors and media.
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Brown's blood was apparently found 25 feet behind his body.

That's physical evidence that supports the idea that Brown came back towards Wilson, and more than a little bit.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
That's like asking if someone who drives too fast deserves to die. Did Wilson deserve to be attacked? Did the storeowner deserve to be robbed?

As McCulloch said several times this evening, there's no way to answer that.
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No but the punishment needs to fit the crime. The officer knows he has back up coming. It is not him verses the world or anything
 
Mumbles said:
Yep, the fix was in from jump, as we can see from the "prosecutor's" statement - which is clearly actually a defense statement. Two rather amazing things:

One, um, he blamed "social media", like Twitter shot Brown. C'mon.

Two, the guy who said Brown "charged" at Wilson said that he charged, stopped, and then started charging again? That's even more stupid than George Zimmerman's story.

Heard an *actual* report of gunshots near Ferguson PD. Unlike the previous claims, that seems pretty believable, since it was reported by actual protestors and media.
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So 12 Grand Jury members who were selected long before Brown was shot decided to collude and fix this case?

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Mumbles said:
Yep, the fix was in from jump, as we can see from the "prosecutor's" statement - which is clearly actually a defense statement. Two rather amazing things:

One, um, he blamed "social media", like Twitter shot Brown. C'mon.
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He blamed social media, and media in general for glorifying the case and trying it in the court of public opinion. He didn't say that social media was responsible for the actual crime. Were you paying attention? Also, calling it a "fix" is extremely ridiculous unless you have some actual evidence to back it up. His assistants presented ALL available evidence to the Grand Jury, broke it down, and the Grand Jury asked a multitude of questions. It sounds perfectly executed to me.

Mumbles said:
Two, the guy who said Brown "charged" at Wilson said that he charged, stopped, and then started charging again? That's even more stupid than George Zimmerman's story.
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Which he stated because it showed how varying the eyewitness accounts were. The testimony was all over the place as far as what actually happened. We will have to wait for the data release before we can decide more.

Mumbles said:
Heard an *actual* report of gunshots near Ferguson PD. Unlike the previous claims, that seems pretty believable, since it was reported by actual protestors and media.
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Ok....
 
Loss Leader said:
It appears that there was absolutely no consistency in eyewitness reports except that somebody appeared to have shot somebody.

Why this didn't even rise to probable cause is a question to which I have not yet heard an answer.
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I do have to agree with you - but right now it is impossible to draw any conclusions until we see the evidence the jury had to work with
 
LTC8K6 said:
Wilson should have let Brown take his sidearm.

What could happen?
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Who is arguing that? And what evidence do we have to that is what happened. We know there was an altercation at the car. Possibly two shots fired and the officer has a wound consistent with being punched in the head and Brown had a wound on the hand.

That is all we know
 
tyr_13 said:
It doesn't have anything to do with punishment.
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This seems to be a never ending source of confusion to some people.

Self defense is not punishment and neither is it some kind of 'due process'.
 
MG1962 said:
Who is arguing that? And what evidence do we have to that is what happened. We know there was an altercation at the car. Possibly two shots fired and the officer has a wound consistent with being punched in the head and Brown had a wound on the hand.

That is all we know
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I'm arguing it, natch. Brown tried to get Wilson's gun, which precipitated the rest, imo.

You want me to explain why Brown would do that? He's angry at being caught for the robbery? He knows he is going to jail? He's high? I don't really know and I don't really care. There isn't always a clear explanation for the things people do.

People forget Dorian.

Does Wilson know where Dorian is, or if Dorian has a gun?

Dorian might even have been involved in the fight at the vehicle door, given the apparent loss of his bracelet?

The thing is, the GJ heard all sorts of witnesses and all sorts of evidence, and the prosecutor presented 5 possible charges.
 
Loss Leader said:
It appears that there was absolutely no consistency in eyewitness reports except that somebody appeared to have shot somebody.

Why this didn't even rise to probable cause is a question to which I have not yet heard an answer.
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That's probably the wrong question to ask, though -- the correct one being how was probable cause established. I don't know if it's more likely a crime is a vote for no bill.

There's been no explanation for Brown fighting with Wilson after the strong-arm robbery at the c-store and what at least is portrayed now as wildly disparate testimony regarding the terminal sequence.

What points to a probability that the shooting was more likely than not a crime?
 
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