The Electric Comet theory

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What do you expect to be in the jets? liquid water?

I think Sol88 is just a huge Troll and this is all a Poe
 
so to recap so far

Significant things to look for as the Rosetta mission continues:

No evidence of subsurface ice at the sources of the jets;
Virtually no interstellar dust, the second component of the “dirty snowball” theory;
Discovery of minerals on the nucleus that are typical of planetary surfaces within the
Habitable zone of the Sun; characteristic concentration of plasma jet activity eating away at the cliffs of elevated terrain and the margins of well-defined depressions;
Measurable retreat of active cliff regions in the wake of this activity; and
The presence of unexpected electric fields within the coma and/or close to the comet nucleus, possibly even disrupting the anticipated landing on the surface. This could occur on or after touch down because the sharp metallic edges of the spacecraft make an ideal focus for a diffuse plasma discharge, which would disrupt communications and possibly interfere with spacecraft electronics.
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https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/08/16/rosetta-mission-predictions/

Significant things to look for as the Rosetta mission continues:

  1. No evidence of subsurface ice at the sources of the jets;
  2. Virtually no interstellar dust, the second component of the “dirty snowball” theory;
  3. Discovery of minerals on the nucleus that are typical of planetary surfaces within the Habitable zone of the Sun
  4. characteristic concentration of plasma jet activity eating away at the cliffs of elevated terrain and the margins of well-defined depressions; Measurable retreat of active cliff regions in the wake of this activity; and
  5. The presence of unexpected electric fields within the coma and/or close to the comet nucleus, possibly even disrupting the anticipated landing on the surface. This could occur on or after touch down because the sharp metallic edges of the spacecraft make an ideal focus for a diffuse plasma discharge, which would disrupt communications and possibly interfere with spacecraft electronics.

1. None found at source of jets

2. Well there very dusty but interstellar dust Mmmmm...

3. seems the experiment did not work :(

4. We can see this so we can measure it as well

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It is also known that the communications link to Rosetta failed intermittently in an irregular pattern shortly after the landing but always immediately re-established itself.
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seems like solly is not acquainted with the results from mupus, as send out by the dlr, a layer of dust an then a hard layer of ice at -170 c probably a hardened mix of ice and dust (see comments by tillman spohn)

naturally there is no interstellar dust because it has long been a jupiter family comet an there is lots of dust, which needs to be analysed

wrong the experiments all worked, see eg the oress release by the iwf graz and analysis needs to be done, this is not csi las vegas where the lab has results within an hour or so

too much work nto be done, no time to discuss with unknowing trolls, first finishing my vacation and then back to the magnetometer and plasma data.
 
Sol88 said:
Peekaboo :eusa_shifty:

Mobs of ice on 67P/C-G and right were the jets are emanating from!!!


[qimg]http://www.americaspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Rosetta-Comet_2_September_2014_NavCam_6B_Ken-Kremer.jpg[/qimg] Credits: ESA/Rosetta/NAVCAM/Marco Di Lorenzo/Ken Kremer – kenkremer.com

Ohh..hang on jets of dust??? Where's the water..um I mean Ice, Umm... or was that dust??

http://news.sciencemag.org/europe/2014/11/tensions-surround-release-new-rosetta-comet-data

Seems they don't wont to release the high res version :confused:

and yes Reality Check mainstream science is in a flap

Your only saving grace is if that sample they broke the hammer on is indeed ICE or standard comet theory has been FALSIFIED categorically! :eusa_naughty:

Jets of dust emanating from from arcs on the surface :eusa_whistle:

Comet nucleus harder than expected :eusa_whistle:

More very finely dived dust than expected :eusa_whistle:

and the findings from Deep Impact/Temple 1 do not bode well for any of the mainstream exceptions!

and on the conspiracy side of things, none of the science packages on Philae that could prove definitively that comets are an electric discharge phenomenon actually worked??? :rolleyes:

Maybe the data Tusenfem is sitting on might, but after over ten years of waiting on the most ground breaking data and actually getting the data, goes on vacation :eek: suss
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oh i have my minions working for me, i am just co-i on rpc not pi
working on the singing comet, creation of magnetosphere, etc etc

research takes time, specially when we are in an environment we have never been before, a weakly outgassing comet with weak b-field around it and gyro radii of >10000 km of the newly picked-up ions (yes they are measured soon to be published in science). fortunately plasma physics is such a great tool that we can actually explain the singing comet, after we understood how the interaction is taking place.

btw no signal of any discharges in the lap or mip data
 
Sol88 said:
http://www.americaspace.com/?p=68321


Ohh so it's not ICE on the surface after all??? So what the bright stuff?


Actually is quite funny watching each scientist come up with their own interpretation of what those arcs are :)
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i hope you do understand that these pictures are highly stretched to make stuff visible. do not think that seeing white means seeing ice. if you want to make claims from the published pics you can at least try to understand hiw they are processed. a comet is very very dark the blackest surfaces in the solar system.
 
Ziggurat said:
Quite so.

The stupidity of the idea comes from not recognizing that you can't just bunch like charge together like you can bunch mass together. If you spread that charge around throughout the galaxy, (which is an awfully big place), it's not that much. But that doesn't work, because then you just get these forces on the net charges floating around, and not on the mass. Concentrated mass would fly off, and the charge would get sucked back in. But that's not what happens. Our galaxy is rotating together. The gas clouds and the stars don't go in completely different directions. So they all need to be experiencing a force that's at least close to proportional to their mass. But since stars have masses which are INCREDIBLY concentrated compared to the galactic average, this theory demands that they have charges which are correspondingly concentrated. And that, well, that just blows up.

BTW, I know you know all this, and Haig probably won't accept it, but it's for the benefit of any lurkers.
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Yeah, spose your right, you can't bunch charges but you can seperate them :eek: whole different kettle of fish that.

kinda sort of a pillar of the greater Electric Universe idea :cool:

you know Birkeland currents, double layers, pinch effects and as you are aware Tusenfem, funky plasma magic.
 
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tusenfem said:
i hope you do understand that these pictures are highly stretched to make stuff visible. do not think that seeing white means seeing ice. if you want to make claims from the published pics you can at least try to understand hiw they are processed. a comet is very very dark the blackest surfaces in the solar system.
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You've seen the osiris versions, Tusenfem?
 
I am sure if you see the jets you can see where they come from and I'm positve if they were as mainstream expected, there be like :eusa_dance::woo:grouphug6

but instead thier in a flap about it.


the image they release has got no fat to play with, level wise just one skiny spike.


I'd be happy with a very dark under exposed photo in that area , bummer osiris can't do that.
 
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tusenfem said:
oh i have my minions working for me, i am just co-i on rpc not pi
working on the singing comet, creation of magnetosphere, etc etc

research takes time, specially when we are in an environment we have never been before, a weakly outgassing comet with weak b-field around it and gyro radii of >10000 km of the newly picked-up ions (yes they are measured soon to be published in science). fortunately plasma physics is such a great tool that we can actually explain the singing comet, after we understood how the interaction is taking place.

btw no signal of any discharges in the lap or mip data
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Rings a bell
Electrostatic charging of the comet nucleus,[3] and, charging of the dust,[4] resulting in levitation of dust from the comet surface,[4]
Coagulation of grains with opposite potentials,[5] and the opposite process, disruption (break-up) of grains with high potentials,[4]
Plasma instabilities in the tail,[4]
Folding of the interplanetary magnetic field into the tail of the comet (Alfvén's "folding umbrella" hydromagnetic model, 1957)[6] [7]
A cometary current system including plasma tail streamers separated by a neutral current sheet, with a total current exceeding 108A,[7]
A shock-ionopause current system, a tail current system, and a field-aligned auroral current system,[2]
The flow of such field-aligned currents leading to the generation of strong localized field-aligned electric fields (double layers),[2] [8]
Acceleration of electrons to keV energies in such double layers would lead to the observed enhanced fluxes of suprathermal electrons.[2]
Production of X-rays (e.g. such as those detected from Comet Hyakutake,[9][10][11] confirming the presence of Birkeland currents (field-align currents),[12]
Jets, such as those produced and modelled by Kristian Birkeland's theory,[13]
The generation of magnetic fields and electric currents in cometary plasma tails, up to a billion Amps, [14] first proposed by Alfvén in 1957,[6] and "strikingly established during the crossing of the plasma tail of Comet Giacobini—Zinner by the ICE spacecraft on September 11, 1985 (Smith et al., 1986)"[15] [7]
Currents in the cometary atmosphere,[16]
Outbursts from the comet nucleus resulting form macroscopic electric double layers,[17]
The origin of comet striae (banding) in dust tails,[18]
Inner coma cometary plasma formation by the critical ionization velocity mechanism,[19] [20]
Filamentary structure in comet tails interpreted as evidence of field-aligned currents (Birkeland currents),[7]
A "cometary aurora" due to "current discharges into the atmosphere from the tail"[21]
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confirmation then for Kristian Birkeland credit, where credits due. 1913?? wow!
Kristian Birkeland's theory of comets derives from his laboratory experiments with rarefied gases in a discharge tube. He presented his theories in his book, The Norwegian Aurora Polaris Expedition 1902-1903 published in 1913. [1] (See reference for download link to section full text).
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Sol88 said:
Your the one bunch"n charges :confused:
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No, I'm not. The theory that galactic rotation curves can be explained by electricity requires charges to be heavily concentrated. That theory is plainly wrong, and I'm not an advocate for it, Haig is. Yet you're defending that theory. Why? Why would you defend it if you don't believe it's right, or at least plausible?
 
Sol88 said:
http://www.americaspace.com/?p=68321


Ohh so it's not ICE on the surface after all??? So what the bright stuff?


Actually is quite funny watching each scientist come up with their own interpretation of what those arcs are :)
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If you were paying attention, instead of just going to your popsicle stand , you would know that comets have a lower albedo than the moon, and teat the images are all altered highly. Pictures are misleading aren't they?

So were is the evidence of comets glowing because of electrical currents?
 
Sol88 said:
DD, the maths is spot on, your assumptions are WRONG

something about garbage in garbage out, but your maths was good, nice try though :deadhorse
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Oh 11-11 11-11 oh noes on your part, the usual response of a Classic Conspiracy Theorist is noted as coming from you.

It came from Ziggy, and you have yet to provide a shred of evidence let alone math.

maybe you should wear your tin foil hat, since you are into a conspiracy theory: "Math is wrong, not because I can critique but because I am incapable of understanding it"
 
Sol88 said:
DD, the maths is spot on, your assumptions are WRONG

something about garbage in garbage out, but your maths was good, nice try though :deadhorse
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Then show us the math with the right assumptions. Go on: demonstrate how electricity can keep the sun in orbit around the galactic center.
 
Sol88 said:
Yeah, spose your right, you can't bunch charges but you can seperate them :eek: whole different kettle of fish that.

kinda sort of a pillar of the greater Electric Universe idea :cool:

you know Birkeland currents, double layers, pinch effects and as you are aware Tusenfem, funky plasma magic.
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there is nothing magic about plasmas
of course it is magically beautiful how plasmas can be described in different kind of precision by the equations of mhd or full plasma physics.
 
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