Ed The first US town to ban tobacco?

[Minoosh]

So what could a puff counter use as a signal "smoke break over"? I'm interested in how sound effects affect learned behavior. For example, getting a wrong answer might give you a mildly disappointed sound, while getting it right brings a more upbeat jingle. This is not trivial; presumably people make a living designing such sound effects.

What combination of notes could convey that a) it's break time and b) that break time is over?

I have some respect for efforts aimed at eliminating self-destructive behavior. But I can't deny the principle of "harm reduction," either.

Really, I just want people to know, vaping utterly replaced my desire to smoke. Occasionally I get a whiff and miss it, but it's very transitory. And even if I bummed a cig, I would know a less harmful alternative is readily available. I hope the powers that recognize that substantial upside.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

Hell. they'll probably come out with one that has a built-in mp3 player.

When you hear Smoke on the Water you know it's time for a break. Fifteen puffs later, Take This Job and Shove It! plays and you know it's time to go back to work.

After nearly year of vaping, analog cigarettes are useless to me now. They don't produce enough smoke, they're harsh and they taste lousy.

 

[catsmate]

Hmm ... this would be a great way to boost the local vape shop.

'Til they ban that, too.

I'm pretty sure they're included in the proposal.

Hell. they'll probably come out with one that has a built-in mp3 player.

Or simply stops after a certain period of use.

 

[catsmate]

Coverage of the meeting.

 

[WildCat]

No-knock warrants resulting in people being killed? No, probably not.

What will probably happen is the town's smokers (all what, ten of them?) will drive all of two miles to buy smokes from a gas station just outside city limits.

Like what happens with every dry town/county in America.

And since like most people they don't want to make extra trips they'll also buy their gas, groceries, and other shopping while they're in the next town over. And when suddenly 25% of the town does their shopping elsewhere that town's businesses will suffer.

 

[WildCat]

Coverage of the meeting.

Well, that went well!

 

[Cleon]

And since like most people they don't want to make extra trips they'll also buy their gas, groceries, and other shopping while they're in the next town over. And when suddenly 25% of the town does their shopping elsewhere that town's businesses will suffer.

Sure, I'm sure this all happens after the deadly no-knock cigarette raids.

Have you even looked at anything about this community? This is a tiny residential area. There aren't a bunch of grocery stores and shopping malls about to suffer from a mass exodus of cigarette-seeking consumers. Everybody already goes outside the city limits to go shopping.

 

[Spindrift]

Well, that went well!

Not surprising. Personally I think the ban is dumb and ill-thought out. It's not going to have any real effect. It reminds me of the towns passing nuclear free zone ordinances back in the 1980's.

 

[WildCat]

Sure, I'm sure this all happens after the deadly no-knock cigarette raids.

Have you even looked at anything about this community? This is a tiny residential area. There aren't a bunch of grocery stores and shopping malls about to suffer from a mass exodus of cigarette-seeking consumers. Everybody already goes outside the city limits to go shopping.

I looked at it on Street View. It has the usual strip malls, gas stations, and convenience stores.

If you're a smoker and you need cigarettes and gas, are you going to drive to a gas station out of town for your cigarettes, not fill up, then drive to a different gas station in Westminster to get gas? Wash, rinse, and repeat for groceries etc.

Now if the sole reason for the trip is cigarettes it won't matter, but I'd guess that most smokers do not usually get their cigarettes in a separate trip.

 

[The Greater Fool]

Sure, I'm sure this all happens after the deadly no-knock cigarette raids.

Have you even looked at anything about this community? This is a tiny residential area. There aren't a bunch of grocery stores and shopping malls about to suffer from a mass exodus of cigarette-seeking consumers. Everybody already goes outside the city limits to go shopping.

Really?

If there aren't stores locally selling tobacco, why create a law preventing the non-existent stores from selling them? Obviously, there are stores in the area.

They are framing this as a 'protect the children from evil tobacco' thing. Apparently, the law makers believe that the existing laws making the sale of tobacco to minors a crime are insufficient. The lawmakers fail to grasp that there are all sorts of contraband that are already completely criminal to sell, distribute or possess that are easily obtained by adults and minors alike.

Speaking of other contraband, when this law is enacted, there will be a short period where the criminal distribution of tobacco has not ramped up yet when current contraband will be more available. Great move. Additionally, tobacco will probably be added to existing contraband distribution channels, which are already easily accessible by children, exposing the children to a wide variety of criminal substances. Not to mention, of course, adults looking to save a trip to the next town over will likewise have a selection of product not available at the corner store.