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Continuation Part 11: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Well Mach, you are correct that I rely on the Spezi/Preston books for factual information. So if you doubt they are accurate and truthful, then its inevitable that we will be in disagreement.

It's not that I doubt they are accurate and truthful; it's that there is just the most glaring evidence they are completely false.
I have already given you an example, picked up one of the points you asked about: I gave you sources backing the explanation of how Gabriella Carlizzi had absolutely nothing to do with Mignini, he never relied on her theories nor ever sought her: on the contrary you can see how he arrested her, indicted her for making up testimonies and asked the judge for a psychiatric investigation on her.
Just an example for how it's better to look at the actual history records, rather than reading Preston & Spezi and relying on them.

Take another example: open Preston-Spezi's book "der Engel mit der Eisaugen", start from the first page; Preston introsuction, he writes "a few days after Nov.2" (sic) the State Prosecutor (sic) called a press conference (sic) were the Prosecution described the murder as a "sexual-satanic kind of ritual" (sic) in which Knox was involved "under the effect of drugs" (sic).

It's just line 16 of the first page of Preston's introduction. The whole book is a mass full of falsehood of this kind.
Actually, it's basically any declaration by Preston or Spezi on the case that is woven with obvious lies. It's something that stands out immediately, if you have just a little knowledge of the case and of Italy and access to Italian sources.

It would help though, if you could be more specific about what points you feel they have lied about, or just made honest mistakes about, so we could examine those arguments specifically.

But they are simply too many. Prston and Spezi lied basically on everything. Their lies are so surreal and grotesque, so unrealistic and far fetched from reality that wouldn't make sense even in a fiction.

i was unaware that Spezi had a recent conviction of any kind. Could you possibly share a link or cite that we could see? I'd be fascinated to read about it.

it would be interesting for me to read about it too, but the motivations report has not been issued yet. I only know the dispositivo.
Anyway, it's the verdict of an Appeals court of Milan, that was just confirming a previous conviction.

That Spezi got duped by the criminal, I don't doubt.

No no, Spezi was the mastermind. And the criminal is an agent he just sought for the job, who was tied to Spezi by some previous favours.

But to suggest that Spezi, a reporter who had followed the Monster of Florence case from the beginning, over 3o years at that point, was somehow himself THE Monster of Florence, seems more than just silly. It sounds crazy.

But just a moment: Spezi was caught committing a serious criminal offence and was involved in also a series of side-tracking activities, some of a criminal nature. The point is not about 'suggesting' that he was the Monster of Florence, because nobody 'suggested' it: Mignini declared him a formal suspect on the charge of being involved in the MoF murders as well, together with the other charges of false testimony, because this is just unavoidable when someone gets involved in a sidetracking of an investigation.
As for the Supreme Court jurisprudence, an attempt to divert the investigation or to obstacle the research of the truth, is to be considered circumstantial evidence of involvement in the crime that was being investigated.
In his request for caustionary measures, Mignini writes that a possible involvement of Spezi in the MoF murder is not verified, but since he is now being arrested, since the moment when he is arrested for side-tracking, he must be declared a suspect in the murders as well because of his involvement in side-trackings. It's absolutely a due passage under the procedure code, it's unavoidable. There is nothing sily or crazy in this. This is not a 'suggestion', it's a procedural necessity. It was in fact a necessary step to protect Spezi's rights as a person under investigation, that becomes compelling for the prosecution since the person is put under arrest. If you hinder an investigation and you are arrested for that, you become suspected for the crime that was being investigated.

The whole line of Mignini's reasoning in the Narducci investigation, tells the sad story of a bizarre and dangerous prosecutor, who first imagines fantastic conspiracies, then believes his fantasies, then ruthlessly abuses his office to prosecute and terrorize those who question his delirium.

But no! This is just sheer Preston & Spezi fiction. You are not cheching anything about what you write. You don't seek Italian sources. Mignini was dregged into the the Narducci investigation by a request of the Florentine Prosecution Office, they insisted that the investigation on Narducci should be linked to the Monster of Florence case, at a time when Mignini had no clue about conspiracies. And there were no fantasies in this: we are talking about real investigation fantasies. Mignini discovered that the body found in the lake could not be Narducci's body only relatively late, after requests of Narducci's wife to re-exhume the body.
Simply, you seem to live within a narrative that is complete fiction.

Giuliano Mignini is a rare specimen. As is Antonio Vinci. Their names will forever be linked in history, as the two madmen of the Monster of Florence crimes.

I really suggest you do check what you are talking about. I mean check in actual sources, not in Preston and Spezi's books.
 
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Thank you for digging that out. You, in fact, think that Wladimiro De Nunzio is a criminal.

Have you ever been contacted by Carabinieri for this defamation? If not, why not?

If you keep on in your attempts to divert the topic of discussion from the Kercher case to myself, I will notify about you to the moderators.
 
I'm opposed to keeping after Mach on this question of DeNunzio, even though I'm fascinated by the discussion.

The law enforcement system in his country is virtually totalitarian, not unlike North Korea in some ways. It's fun for us, but there can be real criminal consequences for expressing these kinds of opinions for an Italian.

So much as I don't agree with Mach's opinions, I don't think its fair play to prod and provoke he/she into making statements that could be construed criminally by local authorities. - just imo, of course.

It's not merely about the idea that criminal charges could be construed against me. This is also talking about charges that can be construed against others, and investigations that may be developed. It is not within the principles of respect of the law, to talk about investigations or possible investigation topics that may still develope or involve any other person. Details of these topics should remain secret on principle.
 
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I'm opposed to keeping after Mach on this question of DeNunzio, even though I'm fascinated by the discussion.

The law enforcement system in his country is virtually totalitarian, not unlike North Korea in some ways. It's fun for us, but there can be real criminal consequences for expressing these kinds of opinions for an Italian.

So much as I don't agree with Mach's opinions, I don't think its fair play to prod and provoke he/she into making statements that could be construed criminally by local authorities. - just imo, of course.

I am coming around to agreeing.....

ETA - I withdraw the question about Carabinieri and apologize to Machiavelli.... it would be right for moderators to take action because of it.
 
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Fraud in the handling of the personal computers, those which were owned/used by the people in the vicinity of the Murder of Meredith Kercher:

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/computer-fraud-alibi/

It is an incredible read.

About the postale police analysis:

It does not mentioned the use of the SAMBA application, through which one could have network access (virtual disk) from the MacBook to the hard disk of the other Raffaele Sollecito’s laptop (the Acer one), which was found unserviceable for analysis.
It does not mention a sure access activity to the computer owned by Raffaele Sollecito, the browsing of a web page, occurred on November 5, 2007, while he was under interrogation.
It does not mention the alteration of dates on a sizable number of files occurred on said computer at a time following its acquisition by the judicial authority, the alteration having concerned many video files (including the Naruto Episode 101 already mentioned at point 2).

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
 
There are passages in this scenario that are almost comical (his shoeprints fade, his last step shows hesitation, etc... ) but besides the other details, a few questions:

1. In what moment of this sequence does he step on the pillow?
2. To what purpose does he mop the floor with a towel?
3. Why are there no traces of his washing along the path of his subsequent movements?
4. Why does he lock Meredith's door but not flush the toilet?
5. At what moment does he commit a sexual violence?
6. When does he place Meredith's body over the pillow?
7. How does he manage to struggle with Meredith and stab her multiple times without stepping in blood, but later he can't help but to step in blood just after he washed himself, and when she is already dead?
8. Why does he decide to remain in the apartment for so long? I mean if it's around 9pm it's an early hour in Italy, he knows Amanda and knows she is around, also knows the flatmates are in town. Why does he take this risk?

Why did he break into a place in Milan and wait around for people to show up and call the cops?

This guy was a rash, inexperienced criminal whose behavior was erratic, but was tempered at odd moments by an instinct for self-preservation. That is what we see in the photos. Your incredulity implies that the chaos of this crime scene magically explains itself if one attributes it to Amanda Knox, which is silly. If you aim to convince, you need to present your own narrative.

And this leads back to my request that you lay out your theory linking the luminol footprints to the murder. I know broadly what it is, but some people here may not. Don't you think it's better for you to describe it, in your own words? Or would you prefer not to discuss it, in which case I will be glad to describe it on your behalf.
 
I'm opposed to keeping after Mach on this question of DeNunzio, even though I'm fascinated by the discussion.

The law enforcement system in his country is virtually totalitarian, not unlike North Korea in some ways. It's fun for us, but there can be real criminal consequences for expressing these kinds of opinions for an Italian.

So much as I don't agree with Mach's opinions, I don't think its fair play to prod and provoke he/she into making statements that could be construed criminally by local authorities. - just imo, of course.

In such a case, should not be posting a pro guilt position and just being quiet.
 
Italy's record

Don't be a liar. Now acknowledge Italy's human rights records at the ECHR is just similar to several Western European states. If Italy's record is miserable, than Switzerland's or Austra's records are miserable too.

Your prisons are not fit for humans and you take far far too long to conduct your trials. It's not just the ECHR that is concerned about you either - the UN is too. They think you do an end run around suspects' rights by calling them something other than suspects so you can get them to incriminate themselves without lawyers. Sound familiar?

Disagree?
 
This sounds inevitable, but I am unaware of this evidence, I must concentrate on the break in and quick killing, as I am engaging pmf dot org as best I can by pm, while my posts are disallowed there.

Have you had time to look at the Teina Pora case which is being considered by the privy council right now? It is functionally/schematically identical IMOO, while obvious ethnic and IQ differences are present.

Oh yes... that looks eerily familiar. I'm peripherally involved in the effort to free Chris Tapp, who was convicted of a sexual homicide in Idaho. He was manipulated over the course of many hours of interrogation, with the deal being that if he incriminated the guy who the cops thought did it, he would get immunity. But the killer ejaculated at the crime scene, and the DNA turned out not to match the police suspect... so, they tore up the immunity agreement and got a conviction against Tapp on the strength of his admission that he was present when it happened. Which he obviously wasn't. The case has never been solved.

It's a case where the victim was disrobed and sexually assaulted after being fatally stabbed with a knife, BTW. Eerily familiar...
 
Oh yes... that looks eerily familiar. I'm peripherally involved in the effort to free Chris Tapp, who was convicted of a sexual homicide in Idaho. He was manipulated over the course of many hours of interrogation, with the deal being that if he incriminated the guy who the cops thought did it, he would get immunity. But the killer ejaculated at the crime scene, and the DNA turned out not to match the police suspect... so, they tore up the immunity agreement and got a conviction against Tapp on the strength of his admission that he was present when it happened. Which he obviously wasn't. The case has never been solved.

It's a case where the victim was disrobed and sexually assaulted after being fatally stabbed with a knife, BTW. Eerily familiar...

Derek Tice said on the stand that if asked if he killed Kennedy, he would have stated that he handed Oswald the gun.
 
Your prisons are not fit for humans and you take far far too long to conduct your trials. It's not just the ECHR that is concerned about you either - the UN is too. They think you do an end run around suspects' rights by calling them something other than suspects so you can get them to incriminate themselves without lawyers. Sound familiar?

Disagree?

Yes I disagree, because it's false.
However nobody is compelled to live in a state they don't like: don't be a resident here, if you think it sucks.
If you decide to become a resident, I assume you like it.
 
Why did he break into a place in Milan and wait around for people to show up and call the cops?

As far as I know, he did not break anything.
He entered a place because he had nowhere to sleep. And why should he run?

This guy was a rash, inexperienced criminal whose behavior was erratic, but was tempered at odd moments by an instinct for self-preservation. That is what we see in the photos. Your incredulity implies that the chaos of this crime scene magically explains itself if one attributes it to Amanda Knox, which is silly. If you aim to convince, you need to present your own narrative.

Let's the FOA develop their narrative of Guede lone killer first. It's not a problem of incredulity: it's a problem of consistence. I'm not talking just about behaviour.
For how inexperienced or erratic a person may be, there is always some pattern and logic in human actions and there must be a rationale in a scenario.

And this leads back to my request that you lay out your theory linking the luminol footprints to the murder. I know broadly what it is, but some people here may not. Don't you think it's better for you to describe it, in your own words? Or would you prefer not to discuss it, in which case I will be glad to describe it on your behalf.

Well you can start describe it if you think you can guess it, since I don't have so much time for everything now. The link between luminol prints and bathmat shuffle seems rather simple to me.
 
Yes I disagree, because it's false.
However nobody is compelled to live in a state they don't like: don't be a resident here, if you think it sucks.
If you decide to become a resident, I assume you like it.

Is that the best you can do? Tell everyone to leave? How about reform? I suppose it's very difficult in a country with outdated criminal defamation laws. Everyone's frightened to tell the truth in case someone tries to put them in prison for it.

By the way, did you confirm what I told you about Ricciarelli after you denied it? That he said about Guede breaking in to Ms Romanelli's room: "its a feat even spider-man would have trouble pulling off"?
 

You are the one who seems to be saying that you have to be careful about stating items that are objectionable to the government especially the judiciary. I can tell Obama and Scalia to suck eggs and there is nothing they can do about it.
 
Well you can start describe it if you think you can guess it, since I don't have so much time for everything now. The link between luminol prints and bathmat shuffle seems rather simple to me.

Not enough time, eh? Yesterday you had time enough to spew 3,941 words in one sitting.

In any case, I don't have to guess your theory about the luminol, because you have explained in the past, albeit broadly, what you think happened:

You think Amanda and Raffaele were sliding around on towels after the murder, in the corridor and in Filomena's room. They did this so as not to leave any footprints or evidence while they went about their staging activity, but now and then they stepped off their towels, and that is how the footprints were produced. The luminol reactions in Filomena's room, although not having any defined shape, were also somehow produced by this activity.

That is your theory, is it not?
 
That's different than mopping up. Those towels probably have something to do with remorse or rape.

"Something to do with remorse" or "something to do with rape".

Besides the fact that "something to do" is bit vague and means "no clue"...,
I will have to point out that: the theory of a post-mortem rape is contradicted by the evidence.
Oh, I know you don't like what the autopsy found. It was done by some Italian Spaghetti Gynecologist so it must be easy for you to throw it in the dumpster without looking at it together with that part of humanity who are not Knox's relatives and white friends.

Maybe your theory says that towels are needed to stanch blood so that he will manage to rape the body in a more clean manner. A rather organized guy. That would be a form of cleaning of the scene, anyway.
But since there was no post-mortem rape, together with the "no clue" part we should ad "contrary to the evidence".

Well, "something to do with remorse", it's a second theory. In your scenario, do you think he is struck by remorse before or after the post-mortem rape? Don't knoe why but I suppose you would place it after.
How do think the towels would contribute to ease remorse? It's an interesting line of thought. Maybe trying to dry up the blood so that would make it disappear from the view?
Yet, this would also be a form of cleanup.

Sorry, none of those theories is convincing. Im' not saying they are impossible, but they are weak. They have no content, they lack consistence.
However the most important element to bear in mind to this regard is that a post-mortem rape is contrary to the evidence.

Let's go further on these few points.

Who says that they were so wet that blood had to be trailing off of them?

Who says? Certainly not me. This is your scenario, it's precisely the FOAs' scenario.

Your theory is that Guede washed his trousers under the showers or washed the end of his trousers in the bidet.

When you wash trousers, you need to soak them with water. Even if you wash just one leg.
If you soak them with water, they will drip.
If they drip, there will be a trail of visible drops.

There isn't any. You will need to review the theory: physical evidence is contrary to the scenario that he washed his trousers inside the flat.
(this is the second severe inconsistency out of two points within the list in your latest post)

No, he didn't wash the bathmat: it has a giant bloody footprint on it. He didn't clean up anything except his own clothes.

The theory is that he washed, rather than generically "cleaned", his cloths.
Now, what happens is: there is actually some evidence that a few other things have been cleaned. Some are maybe minor elements of circumstantial evidence (like the dripping on the edge of the door) but some are quite stronger, like that half of his shoeprint has disappeared (and re-appeared in luminol). Another piece of evidence is that the bathmat was completely soaked with water (this is how Raffaele Sollecito also describes it in his book). Some further evidence of this is that the floor around the bathmat is clean. Yes I know somebody would contest this, yet the objections and alternative theories (towels on floor etc.) are not very consistent, and anyway they are a kind of cleaning the scene too: they would suggest the same care and same concern about not leaving footprints. Further evidence is the towels themselves, because whatever "purpose" you like to imagine (remorse, rape etc.) the practical use of towels and rags points to the action of cleaning.

But let's imagine for a moment that it was not Guede who washed his foot but consider rather the scenario that it was Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito who washed their own bodies, their limbs, and maybe not in the shower but in the basin and bidet. After that, the towels they used to dry themselves could turn useful also for walking on them to avoid getting the floor too dirty, or use them to move on blood pools without leaving prints; but anyway, in some way or another there is the change that the towels might retain some blood on them. So, if that happens, the only solution would be to take them where the body is, throw them there and leave them there.

Obviously, he did it to delay discovery of the dead body. His turd isn't a crime and was probably the last thing on his mind.

Well, if he wanted to delay the discovery of the dead body it would have been easy to conceal the biggest part of blood in the bathroom too, he might have thrown the bathmat inside the room, instead of washing it.
He also might have taken care of cleaning his visible bloody shoeprints: he was walking in sticky bloody substance.

But in fact, to delay the discovery of the body would make little sense for him: timings of discovery would indeed matter if the culprit is her roommate, but would make little difference to a burglar; his obvious first interest, if he ever took care of altering some part of the scene, would be to remove the traces that may point to himself, what could be connected to his identity, that would be even more important than delaying the timings of the discovery. Rudy fled by train, but he didn't flee within the following 3 or 4 hours. In fact he fled only two days later when the body had been already discovered.

Is this the same autopsy report that said she had consensual sex? She obviously could have been stabbed shortly before he raped her. I doubt that the autopsy report says that, and if it does, it's wrong. I've learned that Italian technicians are far from infallible.

If it says so, it's wrong. Priceless. Of course 'Italian technicians' are always a failure when they find something that proves Knox is guilty.
Dr. Lalli, cautiously said he thought the killing could have been the result multiple assailants, but was also possible that it was a single perpetrator if the attack was protracted for some time, and if it was conducted with escalating violence.
(This means, it was certainly not one sincle killer who stroke and killed).
Dr. Lalli also said that there were small bruises on her vagina, and this, he cautiously said, to his knowledge, meant it was not possible to establish for sure that she was a victim of a sexual violence, since in rare occasions similar bruises may occasionally occur on consensual sexual activities.
However it, it is not Dr. Lalli's report what lead to conclude for probable sexual violence: it was the reports of two gynecologists, one of them Prof. Marchionni.

But one thing is out of question: the bruises occurred before the stabbing, and no way the stabbing could have occurred shortly before he raped her.
Nobody actually questioned or even ever discussed the option that the bruises could be subsequent to the mortal wounds. And the fact is that it won't be possible to bring reasonable arguments for a crazy theory like that.
Bruises indicate normal peripheral blood pressur. lively conditions.
The bruises existed.
Meredith had a normal blood pressure. Those bruises were also surrounded by a red hedema. Dead people don't have blood peripheral pressure and don't have bruises. Also people who are bleeding to death won't develop any bruises. Meredith suffered a sexual violence while she was still well alive.

It was his own blood.

Guede's blood? This is news. There is no evidence of it. No trace of it in the bathroom where he allegedly washed himself. There was no DNA of him on the drain of the bidet and by the inside the basin. He would have washed his wounded hands and would have managed to leave no blood cells there.

Oh yeah, I guess he did step in the semen. So that footprint was made while he was pulling up his pants.

Let me understand: you are saying he left those prints while the pillow was under the victim's body?
As for the FOAs scenario the pillow was under Meredith's body duing the post-mortem sexual violence. You are sayng he removed Meredith's body from the over pillow where it was lying, took away the pillow, just a moment so that he could step four or five times on it, and then he put the pillow back under the body again?

Not impressed. Most of these tings are either things the police probably missed or that don't need to exist anyway.

Evidence that don't need to exist. Looks like written by Amanda Knox.

He washed briefly upstairs, and then afterwards he rinsed his clothes and got new pants downstairs
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So he rinsed his clothes twice? First "briefly", and then more thoroughly?
Or maybe you are saying he only washed his bare foot upstairs? In that event, it would mean he decided to wahs his bare foot despite it was his shoes that might have been stained with blood while his bare foot must have been clean, given that he was weraing shoes.

Maybe you want to add some further explanation. Like for example, hod did it happen that he walked back from the locked exit door to Meredith's bedroom door a second time, in order to lock it, but this time he managed to leave no trace of blood shoperints at all, not even detectable with luminol.
 
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