Machiavelli
Philosopher
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2010
- Messages
- 5,844
Well Mach, you are correct that I rely on the Spezi/Preston books for factual information. So if you doubt they are accurate and truthful, then its inevitable that we will be in disagreement.
It's not that I doubt they are accurate and truthful; it's that there is just the most glaring evidence they are completely false.
I have already given you an example, picked up one of the points you asked about: I gave you sources backing the explanation of how Gabriella Carlizzi had absolutely nothing to do with Mignini, he never relied on her theories nor ever sought her: on the contrary you can see how he arrested her, indicted her for making up testimonies and asked the judge for a psychiatric investigation on her.
Just an example for how it's better to look at the actual history records, rather than reading Preston & Spezi and relying on them.
Take another example: open Preston-Spezi's book "der Engel mit der Eisaugen", start from the first page; Preston introsuction, he writes "a few days after Nov.2" (sic) the State Prosecutor (sic) called a press conference (sic) were the Prosecution described the murder as a "sexual-satanic kind of ritual" (sic) in which Knox was involved "under the effect of drugs" (sic).
It's just line 16 of the first page of Preston's introduction. The whole book is a mass full of falsehood of this kind.
Actually, it's basically any declaration by Preston or Spezi on the case that is woven with obvious lies. It's something that stands out immediately, if you have just a little knowledge of the case and of Italy and access to Italian sources.
It would help though, if you could be more specific about what points you feel they have lied about, or just made honest mistakes about, so we could examine those arguments specifically.
But they are simply too many. Prston and Spezi lied basically on everything. Their lies are so surreal and grotesque, so unrealistic and far fetched from reality that wouldn't make sense even in a fiction.
i was unaware that Spezi had a recent conviction of any kind. Could you possibly share a link or cite that we could see? I'd be fascinated to read about it.
it would be interesting for me to read about it too, but the motivations report has not been issued yet. I only know the dispositivo.
Anyway, it's the verdict of an Appeals court of Milan, that was just confirming a previous conviction.
That Spezi got duped by the criminal, I don't doubt.
No no, Spezi was the mastermind. And the criminal is an agent he just sought for the job, who was tied to Spezi by some previous favours.
But to suggest that Spezi, a reporter who had followed the Monster of Florence case from the beginning, over 3o years at that point, was somehow himself THE Monster of Florence, seems more than just silly. It sounds crazy.
But just a moment: Spezi was caught committing a serious criminal offence and was involved in also a series of side-tracking activities, some of a criminal nature. The point is not about 'suggesting' that he was the Monster of Florence, because nobody 'suggested' it: Mignini declared him a formal suspect on the charge of being involved in the MoF murders as well, together with the other charges of false testimony, because this is just unavoidable when someone gets involved in a sidetracking of an investigation.
As for the Supreme Court jurisprudence, an attempt to divert the investigation or to obstacle the research of the truth, is to be considered circumstantial evidence of involvement in the crime that was being investigated.
In his request for caustionary measures, Mignini writes that a possible involvement of Spezi in the MoF murder is not verified, but since he is now being arrested, since the moment when he is arrested for side-tracking, he must be declared a suspect in the murders as well because of his involvement in side-trackings. It's absolutely a due passage under the procedure code, it's unavoidable. There is nothing sily or crazy in this. This is not a 'suggestion', it's a procedural necessity. It was in fact a necessary step to protect Spezi's rights as a person under investigation, that becomes compelling for the prosecution since the person is put under arrest. If you hinder an investigation and you are arrested for that, you become suspected for the crime that was being investigated.
The whole line of Mignini's reasoning in the Narducci investigation, tells the sad story of a bizarre and dangerous prosecutor, who first imagines fantastic conspiracies, then believes his fantasies, then ruthlessly abuses his office to prosecute and terrorize those who question his delirium.
But no! This is just sheer Preston & Spezi fiction. You are not cheching anything about what you write. You don't seek Italian sources. Mignini was dregged into the the Narducci investigation by a request of the Florentine Prosecution Office, they insisted that the investigation on Narducci should be linked to the Monster of Florence case, at a time when Mignini had no clue about conspiracies. And there were no fantasies in this: we are talking about real investigation fantasies. Mignini discovered that the body found in the lake could not be Narducci's body only relatively late, after requests of Narducci's wife to re-exhume the body.
Simply, you seem to live within a narrative that is complete fiction.
Giuliano Mignini is a rare specimen. As is Antonio Vinci. Their names will forever be linked in history, as the two madmen of the Monster of Florence crimes.
I really suggest you do check what you are talking about. I mean check in actual sources, not in Preston and Spezi's books.
Last edited: