Michael Brown shooting II

[Kestrel]

I would expect any LEO, be they male or female, to act aggressively to put a stop to violent behavior. If you associate firmness with manliness, so be it, but I don't see it as some sort of machismo, just doing what they are paid for.

Good cops are skilled at calming down a situation. Bad cops escalate to the point where physical or even deadly force is required.

 

[Distracted1]

The problem for me is that "act aggressively" is so broad and seems to be the default. I propose another standard: "act effectively."

In some cases, "effectively" will mean temporarily disengaging, other times not. However, one immediate consequence is a focus on maximizing options, instead of relying on strict control of the situation, when such control is likely to fall into the "feared for my life, had to shoot" script.

Act effectively, to effect what?
It can be argued that officer Wilson's actions pretty effectively stopped Mr. Brown from further assaulting the officer, or anyone else.
What effect should the cop have been going for? And how important is it that that effect be achieved in an interaction between a LEO and a criminal? ( if the officers' account of events is not found to be false - conceded in advance that if Mr.Brown did not assault the officer, then he was not known by the officer to be a violent criminal )

 

[marplots]

Act effectively, to effect what?

A peaceful resolution. An arrest when warranted. Minimal collateral damage. The death of the suspect is one type of collateral damage.

It can be argued that officer Wilson's actions pretty effectively stopped Mr. Brown from further assaulting the officer, or anyone else.

And led to riots as well. These things don't happen in a vacuum. Yes, killing the suspect prevented further assault (for all time). The question is whether some other course of action would have accomplished the same result, and whether the finality of a dead suspect is the direction we want to go.

Are we imagining here that, had Brown got away, he was likely to have killed someone before he was caught? Does our analysis demand we paint him as a kind of spree killer that has to be put down, lest he rampage through the community, piling up dead bodies as he goes? Really?

I took it that he was killed because Wilson feared for his life - at the time he fired his weapon. The question is whether the police can act in a way they won't have to be in that situation quite so much.

 

[plague311]

Good cops are skilled at calming down a situation. Bad cops escalate to the point where physical or even deadly force is required.

Do you have anything to support this at all? Instances of "good cops" being able to talk down a situation similar to the Brown fiasco? Maybe a video to show how these "good cops" are able to do it with consistency?

You seem to be throwing this out there with consistency. That Wilson was some how a "bad cop" because this got to the point where someone was shot. Laying the blame at the feet of the cop instead of on the individual that actually escalated the situation. Yet I never see any form of support for it, outside of your commentary.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with some evidence of these "good cops"?

 

[KatieG]

Good cops are skilled at calming down a situation. Bad cops escalate to the point where physical or even deadly force is required.

I absolutely agree with this! The whole incident traces back to Officer Wilson's comments when he first stopped the 2 men in the street. Everything that followed was a cavalcade of bad decisions by Wilson and Brown.

There was no real reason for Michael Brown to end up dead on the street.

 

[Aber]

What effect should the cop have been going for?

Persuading someone that jaywalking is a bad idea, without escalating it into a physical confrontation?

 

[Mumbles]

I absolutely agree with this! The whole incident traces back to Officer Wilson's comments when he first stopped the 2 men in the street. Everything that followed was a cavalcade of bad decisions by Wilson and Brown.

There was no real reason for Michael Brown to end up dead on the street.

This strikes me as nothing but yet another reason for recording devices for police. According to the only known witness, the cop was wildly aggressive right from the start, yelling, driving aggressively, and pulling a gun inexplicably. We've seen this before, even in recent months, in cases like Levar Jones, John Crawford, and Eric Garner.

According to Wilson's account...well, we don't have that yet. But I assume it'll portray Brown as wildly violent, which is also possible.

If any recording had been made of Brown attacking Wilson, running away, and then bizarrely charging back with his head down, well that'd be very odd, but acceptable. If it met the description of, well, every witness we've heard from so far, we could (but likely would not) toss Wilson in jail.

 

[Cylinder]

Persuading someone that jaywalking is a bad idea, without escalating it into a physical confrontation?

Of course, that ignores the evidence of that being exactly what Wilson accomplished -- a verbal warning on jaywalking without a physical confrontation -- even if the face of the pair ignoring Wilson's guidance.

 

[Cylinder]

IThere was no real reason for Michael Brown to end up dead on the street.

Thing is, when you assault a police officer in his own car and make a play for his firearm, your chances of ending up dead in the street kind of skyrocket. That's a feature, not a bug.

 

[Giz]

This strikes me as nothing but yet another reason for recording devices for police.

I certainly agree that recording devices should be standard.

 

[Fudbucker]

This strikes me as nothing but yet another reason for recording devices for police. According to the only known witness, the cop was wildly aggressive right from the start, yelling, driving aggressively, and pulling a gun inexplicably. We've seen this before, even in recent months, in cases like Levar Jones, John Crawford, and Eric Garner.

According to Wilson's account...well, we don't have that yet. But I assume it'll portray Brown as wildly violent, which is also possible. probable.

Fixed that for ya, now that we know the forensics report, the toxicology report, and the extent of Wilson's injuries.

 

[Unabogie]

Fixed that for ya, now that we know the forensics report, the toxicology report, and the extent of Wilson's injuries.

We do? As far as I've read, he had a few scratches on his face. And since we don't know if Wilson grabbed Brown or Brown grabbed Wilson, I'm not sure how that made Brown "wildly violent". But even if Brown caused those scratches to Wilson and Wilson didn't do anything to cause Brown to fight him (as Dorian Johnson claimed), the issue is still, as it has always been, whether after Wilson shot Brown the first time and Brown ran away, if Wilson got out, shot at Brown from behind, and then killed him when he turned around with his hands up. But can you expand on what sorts of injuries you think have been confirmed?

 

[Cylinder]

So the SLCPD are now responding to sunshine requests for the investigative reports regarding the Michael Brown shooting -- signaling that the decision not to charge Wilson has been made and that the announcement is upcoming.

ETA: I suppose we can discuss the post-shooting activity released today here, since that documents the start of the disturbances.

12:02: Wilson calls for backup before contacting Brown and Johnson for the second time.

12:03: Unit 25 reports near/on scene.
Seconds later Unit 22 reports on scene.
Resident tweets about shooting.
Unit asks location of 2nd suspect.

12:04 Disrupted transmission.
Dispatch replies "10-4 Canfield"
Call for supervisor.

12:05 Dispatch request for EMT referencing a person shot with a Taser.

12:07 “Get us several more units over here. There’s gonna be a problem.”

 

[Cylinder]

As you point out, the narrative purported to be Wilson's claims that Wilson called for backup before making the second contact. This is supported by how quickly his backup arrived on scene -- between 1 and 2 minutes after the shooting. The call for backup should be recorded which should reveal Wilson's motive for that contact -- though it is possible that the purported narrative timeline is wrong and the call for backup referenced the struggle inside the car.

I guess objective analysis wins again. There were really three call during the questioned period - one acknowledging the BOLO, one asking for backup reference suspects - and Wilson's claim of a third, unrecorded radio call for shots fired. Wilson's radio set was found tuned out-of-channel -- possibly being jarred during a struggle.

The recording are here.

At noon, Wilson reports that he’s back in service from the sick-baby call. He then asks the officers searching for the thieves – units 25 and 22 – if they need him. Seven seconds later, an unidentified officer broadcasts that the suspects had disappeared.

At 12:02 p.m., Wilson says, “21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car.” His call triggered at least two officers to head his way, including one who said he was close to Wilson.

Sources have told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson has told authorities that before the radio call he had stopped to tell Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, 22, to quit walking down the middle of the street. They kept walking, and he then realized that Brown matched the description of the suspect in the stealing call.

Wilson then asked dispatch for backup and backed up his SUV next to Brown and Johnson.

Wilson said Brown attacked him, sources said, and that they struggled over the officer’s gun before Wilson was able to fire twice, hitting Brown once. Brown ran away.

Wilson has told authorities that he called, “Shots fired, send all cars,” on his radio, but during the struggle his radio had been jarred and the channel changed.

The Post-Dispatch reviewed radio calls made during that period on all St. Louis County police channels, the fire channel used by Ferguson and other channels publicly archived online and could not locate the call. At least one channel on the Ferguson police radio is “receive-only,” meaning that the call may not have been broadcast.

After the call, Wilson pursued Brown on foot.​

21/Put me on Canfield with two in this context references the two suspects -- 21 either being a LOCATION report code or a MEET ME HERE request code according to local usage. Maybe some of the nearby LEO here can speak more directly to the code prefix.

 

[Cylinder]

This sunshine request timeline kind of skips forward to Wilson leaving the FPD station for the hospital with officers and his union rep roughly two hours after the shooting:



Around 2-1/2 hours later, Wilson and his entourage return to the station:



Wilson's union attorney is Greg Kloeppel.

 

[casebro]

Other units were #22 and #25, I assume 21 was Wilson's number. Context supports that.

 

[Aber]

Given other cars were 22 and 25, is it not likely that the 21 is Wilson's call sign?

 

[Cylinder]

Yup - I kind of figured that out after posting. 21 is the unit number.

 

[This is The End]

As of the time of this post, this Daily Fail link was the 2nd from the top of the entire main (default) Google News page.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ichael-Brown-arresting-man-recording-him.html

The arrest was filmed in 2013, but was only posted online this week. It shows Wilson telling Mike Arman, a 30-year-old Ferguson resident, to put away his phone or be arrested.

Wilson, thinking he is being photographed rather than filmed, said: 'If you wanna take a picture of me one more time, I’m gonna lock your ass up.'

In response, Arman, identified by the Guardian, said: 'Sir, I’m not taking a picture, I’m recording this incident, sir.'

The clip cuts out after Wilson approaches, but an incident report which Wilson filled out after the event revealed that Arman was cuffed and taken to Ferguson police station.

There he was charged with failure to comply with Wilson, and also for breaching regulations on pit bull dogs. The charges were later dropped, Arman claims, when he showed police the video footage and proved his pet was not a pit bull.

 

[Unabogie]

Video surfaced of Darren Wilson arresting a man for filming him. On the video, you can hear Wilson say that "if you continue to film me I'm going to lock your ass up". Wilson then arrested the man and filed a police report in which he claimed that the man filming him shoved the camera in his face, and Wilson was forced to detain him. None of this is true, as you can see on the video for yourself.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/11/16/isnt-that-something-2/

Wilson wrote in his report that Arman became upset and said he wanted to record the encounter. Wilson said he told him “a voice recording would be acceptable” but Arman “refused to answer any questions or co-operate as he lifted the phone to begin a video recording of myself” and “stated that I must state my name to him” as Wilson asked for more information on the vehicles.

Arman disputed Wilson’s account of the start of their encounter, saying that he “began recording within moments of Wilson approaching the property” and that Wilson only mentioned a voice recording being acceptable after Arman had been arrested.

Despite being shown at the other end of Arman’s garden path, Wilson wrote in his report that he told Arman “to remove the camera from my face”. He claimed to have asked Arman to place his hands behind his back, which is not visible or audible from the recording. “I was forced to grab his wrists one at a time and secure them into handcuffs,” Wilson wrote.

Color me shocked. St. Darren has a history of abusing his authority and then lying about it on official reports.

Since posting in the thread is erratic, I'm still betting that no charges will be filed and he'll get away with it. The Ferguson PD, however, should be disbanded.