Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[fromdownunder]

Honestly I think he's perfectly capable of understanding sarcasm/humor but chooses not to so he can neatly place into the collection of posts that, In his mind, confirm his ideas.

I doubt that this is true. As Michel has already stated more than once on this thread, there is not one person on this entire mudball that he would trust to give honest answers, which is why he has specifically refused to do room to room tests. EVERYBODY, except him, are lying about his ability. (His self deleted post, which I managed to read before he deleted it went into this in much more detail - I did not realise that I would need a capture at the time, so it no longer exists)

His capacity to understand humour/sarcasm is zero, because he simply does not understand it in any way, shape or form. In his world everybody is out to get him.

Norm

 

[Michel H]

...and obviously you are still completely innocent of sarcasm and humour. Here is a hint:



What will it take for you to "get it!"

Norm

I actually agree that SezMe's answer was not entirely serious, and I already said so:

...I think I detect a possible nonzero level of sarcasm (or attempted sarcasm) in your answer (because your credibility ratings have so many significant digits). In addition, I find your ETA somewhat unclear and concerning. So, I would say "good, but could be better"."

Perhaps you missed that post.

But SezMe was the first person who kindly gave the two credibilities I requested in this thread, perhaps you can try to do better (same for most members here).

 

[Ladewig]

Wouldn't the logical approach be to transmit your desire to find credible people to the entire world, let the credible people find you, and then run your test with them?

You have chosen a group that you define as almost entirely uncredible , almost entirely devoted to ruining your tests, and almost entirely frightened of the truth.

The ONLY reason you are here is that all the other sites you tried suspended you, warned you off, or otherwise prevented you from continuing.

Seek professional help in dealing with your frustrations. You don't have to live like this.

 

[Michel H]

If you have a large enough sample size and a low enough probability of guessing right, you don't need credibility.

Let's take a simple card out of a playing deck. That's a 1 in 52 chance of guessing correctly.

Then ask 104 people what card you've chosen. By chance, you might expect 2 correct answers from pure guessing.

Now, assume that you have the ability to send your thoughts to half of the people. If they all reported credibly, you'd get 52 right answers. But you are not naive. Assume that 90% of them, 9 out of 10, purposefully give the wrong answer. That still leaves you with 5 correct answers. 5 when you would expect 2.

Suppose you pick a three digit number. Three digits aren't that hard. The total 3 digit number (including ones that start with 0) are 1000.

If you asked 100 people to guess your three digit number, 500 of them actually receive the number, and 90% of them lie, you still have 50 correct answers. 50. When chance said you'd be lucky to get 1.

So, there are easy ways around this credibility "problem" you've imagined. You choose not to take them. The question you should ask yourself is why.

I don't think (based on several years of experience in online testing) that such a purely mathematical approach would be successful. The difficulty of these tests lies in the fact that you have to do them with a population whose motivation is extremely low, and which is ready to lie (while frequently giving clues suggesting the answer is not serious). Here is, for example, a test I did on Yahoo Answers about 5 years ago, with 100 possibilities, and no credibility rating (something similar to what you are suggesting): https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091010125251AAOZnTS. 18 people answered, nobody guessed correctly, so the test was superficially at least a failure.

In addition, even if the method you're suggesting yielded statistically significant results (say, 1 or 2% of correct answers when you expected 0.1%), it would not give much information about the scale, the intensity of the assumed phenomenon. In contrast, in the first two tests I did on this forum, I obtained a correct answer of 100% for credible answers (after a credibility threshold was introduced).

 

[theprestige]

Not exactly, the situation is unfortunately more complicated than that, because some people might be honest in one test, and then decide it's no longer fun to be honest, and either disappear and no longer participate in the tests, or decide to lie in the next test.

Why not simply enlist the help of a confederate? There's no rule that says you can't get a sympathetic friend to perform the test with you.

Instead of focusing on how to get the test to work with a bunch of liars, try focusing on how to get the test to work with someone who believes in you and wants you to succeed.

 

[Michel H]

Why not simply enlist the help of a confederate? There's no rule that says you can't get a sympathetic friend to perform the test with you.

Instead of focusing on how to get the test to work with a bunch of liars, try focusing on how to get the test to work with someone who believes in you and wants you to succeed.

I actually did tests with friends about 20 years ago, but the results were not great.

 

[AdMan]

In contrast, in the first two tests I did on this forum, I obtained a correct answer of 100% for credible answers (after a credibility threshold was introduced).

Yes, when you applied your "credibility ratings" to the answers after you knew the answers themselves. This is obviously unscientific. You claim to be a scientist; if so, it's incredible you don't understand you're just doing pseudoscience.

 

[AdMan]

I actually did tests with friends about 20 years ago, but the results were not great.

And this doesn't tell you anything? You just dismiss these results?

 

[MikeG]

...........18 people answered, nobody guessed correctly, so the test was superficially at least a failure............

No. No, no, no...........

No, it wasn't a failure. It showed once again, as every properly conducted test has, that there is no such thing as telepathy. That isn't a failure, it is a roaring success. The only failure is your failure to recognise it as such.

 

[Michel H]

Wouldn't the logical approach be to transmit your desire to find credible people to the entire world, let the credible people find you, and then run your test with them?

You have chosen a group that you define as almost entirely uncredible , almost entirely devoted to ruining your tests, and almost entirely frightened of the truth.

The ONLY reason you are here is that all the other sites you tried suspended you, warned you off, or otherwise prevented you from continuing.
Seek professional help in dealing with your frustrations. You don't have to live like this.

No, I can continue on several important sites, please don't give incorrect information (even if it's supposed to be a joke (?)).

 

[AdMan]

(even if it's supposed to be a joke (?)).

At least now you accept that you can't tell when someone is joking.

No, that wasn't a joke.

 

[AdMan]

Michel H, I think you are an obviously intelligent person who is dealing with some serious medical issues. I think it would be very helpful for you to consult with medical professionals, who may be able to help you deal with these. There are ways to help deal with the problems and concerns you are facing, but dismissing medical help, as you have apparently done, is not one of them. It's not the first time in this thread that this has been suggested to you, but hopefully you will decide to seek this help.

 

[Pixel42]

I actually agree that SezMe's answer was not entirely serious, and I already said so:

Perhaps you missed that post.

But SezMe was the first person who kindly gave the two credibilities I requested in this thread, perhaps you can try to do better (same for most members here).

Your question is so silly that silly answers are the only kind you're going to get.

Please at least try to understand that the only person who takes your credibility ratings seriously is you. To everyone else they are a transparent attempt to get the result from your tests that you've already decided you ought to be getting, because you refuse to accept the real one.

 

[fromdownunder]

I actually agree that SezMe's answer was not entirely serious, and I already said so:

Perhaps you missed that post.

But SezMe was the first person who kindly gave the two credibilities I requested in this thread, perhaps you can try to do better (same for most members here).

You don't even see your response here as a problem? Perhaps you need to re-read that part of the discussion. I repeat - you are utterly innocent of sarcasm and humour. SezMe never, ever gave your two options a credibility rating. Can you not see that? They were made up to make fun of you!

You are utterly innocent of sarcasm and humour. The responses have been made to make fun of you! And many members are simply laughing at your posts.

You do not even understand this basic concept. That is your problem, not mine.


Norm

 

[Michel H]

Michel H, I think you are an obviously intelligent person who is dealing with some serious medical issues. I think it would be very helpful for you to consult with medical professionals, who may be able to help you deal with these. There are ways to help deal with the problems and concerns you are facing, but dismissing medical help, as you have apparently done, is not one of them. It's not the first time in this thread that this has been suggested to you, but hopefully you will decide to seek this help.

Actually, "telepathic persecution" problems (where some people tell you psychically e.g. to kill yourself) are more a problem for the police and the Justice System. This is why, I suppose, in 1998-1999, the psychiatrists suggested I file a complaint within the Belgian Judicial system, which I did (needless to say, these physicians took my complaints of telepathic harassment much more seriously and respectfully at the time than most of you here and now). Apparently (from what the police told me on the phone), they may have started a little inquiry, but later the police took me to the hospital to see a psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist there said that "nobody believed that" (i.e., that I was "telepathic", having an odd tendency to communicate my thoughts to others). Then, I called the prosecutor's office, where a gentleman explained to me that such complaints were "premature".

 

[Michel H]

Your question is so silly that silly answers are the only kind you're going to get.

Please at least try to understand that the only person who takes your credibility ratings seriously is you. To everyone else they are a transparent attempt to get the result from your tests that you've already decided you ought to be getting, because you refuse to accept the real one.

I think this is somewhat exaggerated, I did get some positive reactions after I presented my results, for example:

Totally worth the wait.

(right after I presented results for the first test). Unfortunately, many of you here seem to be affected by a rather serious mental condition, whereby, every time I present supportive posts, you automatically declare them "not serious". So I fear your reactions.

 

[Michel H]

... SezMe never, ever gave your two options a credibility rating. ...

No, this is incorrect, SezMe did give two credibility ratings, equal to about -3.83 and 9.00. I invite you to try to do the same.

Note: If you are new to this thread, please take a look here.

 

[Pixel42]

Actually, "telepathic persecution" problems (where some people tell you psychically e.g. to kill yourself) are more a problem for the police and the Justice System. This is why, I suppose, in 1998-1999, the psychiatrists suggested I file a complaint within the Belgian Judicial system

It's hard to see why a psychiatrist would indulge a schizophrenic's delusions in this way. Perhaps he hoped that, even though you clearly wouldn't believe him when he assured you that what you were experiencing was a symptom of your illness, you might believe the police when they told you the same thing. If so it was a risky tactic, which obviously did not work.

I think this is somewhat exaggerated, I did get some positive reactions after I presented my results, for example:

(right after I presented results for the first test). Unfortunately, many of you here seem to be affected by a rather serious mental condition, whereby, every time I present supportive posts, you automatically declare them "not serious". So I fear your reactions.

If by that you mean you suspect I'm going to assure you that jdc324 was being sarcastic when he said "Totally worth the wait" you are correct. He was definitely being sarcastic.

The only poster you think has been supportive who has revisited the thread to say who has interpreted his post correctly is Loss Leader, who has assured you that you were the one who interpreted it wrongly. Of the other three you've quoted only one has visited the forum since July; I have PM'd Tiktaalik asking him to drop by the thread but he is also an infrequent poster (last visit nearly a week ago) so it might be a while before he sees it.

 

[Michel H]

It's hard to see why a psychiatrist would indulge a schizophrenic's delusions in this way. Perhaps he hoped that, even though you clearly wouldn't believe him when he assured you that what you were experiencing was a symptom of your illness, you might believe the police when they told you the same thing. If so it was a risky tactic, which obviously did not work.
...

Actually, the Belgian police from Zaventem (this is the municipality where I live in Belgium) has always been respectful with respect to my impression of being telepathically persecuted, to a degree which even almost surprised me, in 1999, and again when I talked about this with a police officer about a month ago. They have never told me for example "this is a disease, you should take medications", stuff like that.

 

[Pixel42]

Actually, the Belgian police from Zaventem (this is the municipality where I live in Belgium) has always been respectful with respects to my impression of being telepathically persecuted, to a degree which even almost surprised me, in 1999, and again when I talked about this with a police officer about a month ago. They have never told me for example "this is a disease, you should take medications", stuff like that.

This is why it was a risky tactic. It's not the police's job to diagnose mental illness, their job is to take the concerns of the people they serve seriously and at least try to investigate them before referring them to a psychiatrist, which is what appears to have happened in your case.