Texas bans abortion.

[theprestige]

Greg Abbott argued that 'political rhetoric' in court defending the law, at least when it was ruled against before the latest appeal.

I'd like to see the new ruling to see if it played a part in that decision as well. Maybe it seriously fooled an appeals court judge whether or not Abbott was serious in that line of argument.

It's not a matter of fooling the judge, it's a matter of demonstrating what the law allows. Nobody's fooling anybody when a criminal gets off on a technicality. Nobody was fooled when Capone got sent away for tax fraud instead of murder or racketeering.

"I'm against elective abortions. The law won't let me ban them outright, but it will let me restrict access by imposing strict health and safety requirements, so that's what I'm going to do."

"You're not fooling anyone! The truth is that you're against elective abortions!"

"What tipped you off? The part where I said I was against elective abortions?"

 

[Unabogie]

According to the OP, abortion was banned in TX. Then it wasn't. I was just asking for an explanation.

Who cares? According to the OP, it just got much harder for women to exercise their freedom. Isn't that more important than scoring internet points for a self-described "conservative"?

Haha, just kidding.

 

[RandFan]

Elective abortions are legal in Texas, and there are several clinics in the state that offer the service.

So, if Texas only allowed guns to be purchased in 7 locations, that would be okay? After all, it wouldn't be a ban, so it should be fine, right?

Guns are a constitutional right. Liberty.

 

[JoeMorgue]

God I'm about to hate myself for saying this.

I'm not stupid. I know full well this has nothing to do with any actual concern over the medical standards of these clinics. I know this is a well used legislative tactic that has been used in the past and will sadly probably be used in the future. I have zero doubts as to the real motivation of the people pushing this law forward. I harbor no illusions as to any hope that this law is honest in intent or will be implemented fairly.

That all being said... feet to the fire, truth or dare, warts and all honest I can't get that outraged over an abortion clinic being held to the same outpatient medical clinic standards as a place where you get liposuction or Lasik and by its letter, if not its meaning, I don't see this law doing anymore then that.

I won't lie my first reaction to a law requesting abortion clinics be held to medical clinic standards is "You mean they weren't already?"

 

[RandFan]

That all being said... feet to the fire, truth or dare, warts and all honest I can't get that outraged over an abortion clinic being held to the same outpatient medical clinic standards as a place where you get liposuction or Lasik and by its letter, if not its meaning, I don't see this law doing anymore then that.

If this is true, and I don't know that it is, is there data showing such clinics closing? Is there data showing the mortality rate is higher or that people are harmed for lack of these regulations?

IMO: There should be a compelling interest on the part of the state to interfere in people's medical affairs. What is the claimed compelling interest and can that claim be supported?

Tu quoque is a bad basis for public policy.

 

[Kestrel]

That all being said... feet to the fire, truth or dare, warts and all honest I can't get that outraged over an abortion clinic being held to the same outpatient medical clinic standards as a place where you get liposuction or Lasik and by its letter, if not its meaning, I don't see this law doing anymore then that.

I won't lie my first reaction to a law requesting abortion clinics be held to medical clinic standards is "You mean they weren't already?"

Can you point to the wording in this law that holds an abortion clinic and a colonoscopy clinic to exactly the same standards?

Also, did this law come about because the medical profession was concerned about the risk to patients or because Jesus told the legislature that the babies of rapists needed to be saved?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Who cares? According to the OP, it just got much harder for women to exercise their freedom.

Which is not the same as "banned". One of these things is not like the other.

We'll consider the OP withdrawn.

Isn't that more important than scoring internet points for a self-described "conservative"?

I have no idea. You'd have to ask a "conservative".

 

[Unabogie]

Which is not the same as "banned". One of these things is not like the other.

We'll consider the OP withdrawn.

I have no idea. You'd have to ask a "conservative".

You've claimed to be one on this forum. We'll consider that withdrawn.

 

[theprestige]

You've claimed to be one on this forum. We'll consider that withdrawn.

It's turtles point-scoring all the way down, then?

 

[uke2se]

It's turtles point-scoring all the way down, then?

It certainly seems so. Otherwise Unabogie's question would have been answered by now.

 

[The_Animus]

Nobody's hand waving away the notion that there is an ulterior motive behind this legislation. There's just no ulterior motive. Nobody is trying to fool anybody about the purpose of this law.

Funny because I've heard it from legislators, candidates, pundits, media, and gop supporters. Every time it's brought up in fact.


Your claim is absurd.

 

[uke2se]

Funny because I've heard it from legislators, candidates, pundits, media, and gop supporters. Every time it's brought up in fact.


Your claim is absurd.

Oh, but you see, those don't count because you're not meant to take any of them seriously... or something.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Funny because I've heard it from legislators, candidates, pundits, media, and gop supporters. Every time it's brought up in fact.


Your claim is absurd.

he's admitting that even conservatives knows they are lying. any means to an end. at least he's honest about it I wonder if the honesty comes out in the voter ID threads as well.

 

[The_Animus]

he's admitting that even conservatives knows they are lying. any means to an end

I'm sure many of the legislators and pundits pushing the talking point do. I'm also sure many citizens believe it. I'd also bet some people pushing it have argued it so many times they now believe it themselves.

But the idea that no one believes it is absurd. He's basically claiming that all gop supporters are perfectly comfortable with their legislators/candidates pushing legislation based on lies. That they themselves know its a lie and repeat it and support it anyway.

On second thought I'll go with that. All GOP supporters are corrupt liars.

 

[Unabogie]

It's turtles point-scoring all the way down, then?

I don't know. Isn't the point of the OP that Texas is passing laws that curtail freedoms? Shouldn't people at least try to address that point rather than picking at the wording?

 

[RandFan]

Republicans, the party of small govt.

 

[johnny karate]

According to the OP, abortion was banned in TX. Then it wasn't. I was just asking for an explanation.

Yes, clearly the issue is merely one regarding the precision of language in hyperbolic statements, which is why you expressed equal dismay at this demonstrably untrue hyperbolic statement:

Nobody is trying to fool anybody about the purpose of this law.

Nope, you're not trolling at all. Just here to keep everyone on the straight and narrow.

 

[Sherman Bay]

Nothing in Texas is "a bit of distance" from anything.

Nor is cheap public transportation from Panhandle to Gulf common, either.

I find it disingenuous of abortion opponents who claim that this law makes women safer. How safe are coat hangers and bleach douches?

 

[Damien Evans]

Nothing in Texas is "a bit of distance" from anything.

Oh please, it's not Western Australia or Siberia.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Republicans, the party of small govt.

Your sarcasm is noted, and supported 100%.

Of all the things the government needs to get involved in, I question this being one of them. This is IMO bad law passing.

The energy spent on this, allegedly a health care issue, was not spent on a wide variety of other health care issues important to all citizens.

*shakes head*

Can't wait for The Hair to leave. Without him as the poster boy for this, I don't think the political momentum and support would have been there.