White SC Trooper shoots unarmed black motorist

God damn, that is mindblowing (and I've seen a lot of police abuse videos).
 
The Norseman said:
I'm very serious; there's an almost psychotic thinking regarding punishment in this country.
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I actually agree with this, but in cases of incompetence in a state official that result in death or severe injury of innocent civilians, I think the punishments aren't severe enough.
 
The Norseman said:
I think 20 years is way too much; it's an absurd amount of time.
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Hardly. Especially when you figure in probation etc it doesn't seem too lengthy at all.

Unjustified shootings should be severely punished.
 
Does anyone know how the victim fared? Did he suffer any permanent or crippling injuries as a result of the shooting?
 
12AX7 said:
Not so fast.

We need to dig into the victim's past and see if we can paint him as a thug first.
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In all fairness NOBODY in this thread has (so far) suggested that.................
 
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Frozenwolf150 said:
Does anyone know how the victim fared? Did he suffer any permanent or crippling injuries as a result of the shooting?
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I was worried when I heard the "I can't (feel/move?) my leg!" part - but apparently no major nerve damage - and clearly no major artery!!!!
 
The Norseman said:
Nope. I'm very serious; there's an almost psychotic thinking regarding punishment in this country. I am consistent enough that I don't care that it's a (former) cop who did the crime, either.
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Under many cases, I agree. And actually, I might even agree here. But...this guy tried to kill a random person, over an innocent movement. I find that to be far more psychotic than any jail time he may receive-and to be clear, he likely won't serve much time.
 
Giz said:
Hardly. Especially when you figure in probation etc it doesn't seem too lengthy at all.

Unjustified shootings should be severely punished.
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We disagree only on what "severely punished" means.
 
Mumbles said:
Under many cases, I agree. And actually, I might even agree here. But...this guy tried to kill a random person, over an innocent movement. I find that to be far more psychotic than any jail time he may receive-and to be clear, he likely won't serve much time.
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Maybe, but that should be done in a more up-front manner, rather than pile on charge upon charge, hoping for a 100+ year sentence and knowing it won't turn out to be eight years. Or somesuch like that.

I'm really more into the Norwegian style of criminal punishment which really focuses on re-entry into society as opposed to our American punish-punish-punish-now-you're-on-your-own-bye style. I say this knowing not every system or method is perfect, but c'mon here -- we can do much, much better than we do.
 
I watched the video, fully expecting the cop to be completely in the wrong. But the guy did go back into the van quickly, which seems to have precipitated the problem.

OTOH, how could he tell the guy didn't have his seat belt on?

Very glad to hear that there were no significant injuries to the young man involved.
 
Brainster said:
I watched the video, fully expecting the cop to be completely in the wrong. But the guy did go back into the van quickly, which seems to have precipitated the problem.

OTOH, how could he tell the guy didn't have his seat belt on?

Very glad to hear that there were no significant injuries to the young man involved.
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The cop may have been driving the opposite direction when he saw the seat belt. It happened to me once. Cop turned around just to write me up and see what else I was up to.

Making quick moves around a cop is a no-no, but I knew a cop growing up, and he warned me and taught me how to get pulled over correctly ;) . Not sure I'd be so cautious without that experience.

I'd say the cop definitely over reacted. It appears he was safely behind the guys van, then jumped out to shoot him. Cops put their lives in potential danger every time they pull someone over, but this guy is really jumpy.
 
SpitfireIX said:
DDT, though fluent, is not a native English speaker, and may simply have misread what you wrote.
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Thank you. I think I got the meaning though.
Gawdzilla said:
If so, I'd still like him to read my post more carefully.
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I think the word "over-reaction" is quite an understatement. The victim did exactly what the police officer asked, and gets shot for it. The movement wasn't even unexpected for the police officer. This shooting-at-every-movement is insane.

Let's look at it this way: this could happen to me while on holiday in the USA. What the driver does seems totally innocent to me, and would be precisely the way I would react. I never had a gun in my life, and have no inclination whatsoever to buy one.

So what would your advice be for me to do when pulled over by a traffic cop in the USA?

(Oh, and why always the yelling? I've seen a couple of these videos now from various threads here on JREF, and I only ever make out what the cop is yelling after reading the transcript).
 
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