Sexual misconduct allegations against Radford, Shermer, et al. Part 2

colander said:
That is very interesting! Can you tell me a little more about these "issues" you speak of? Must the drinker be both a woman and at a conference in order for you to be able to diagnose these issues?
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I assume that not only women but anyone getting dead drunk on events they help organize has issues. Well maybe now you can help explain something.

In August 2008, two months after the incident with Shermer at TAM, Alison Smith was on a panel with Shermer at Dragon*Con. She also met him the evening before, as she has been telling on her blog. She chose to put a photo on that blog showing her, Shermer (putting a hand on her shoulder), and two other men (who appear to be S. Hurst and J. Wagg). She chose to describe the encounter like this:
I’m getting ahead of myself, though. We’re still on that first night in the Marriot, where I spent another lovely portion of the evening with Dr. Michael Shermer of the Skeptic’s Society, photography whiz and longtime friend of the JREF Scott Hurst, and Jeff Wagg, General Manager of the JREF and SAPS Member. It was a blast. Truly.
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http://remievandeross.tripod.com/reports/travels/dragoncon2008.html

I'm curious, is having "a blast" with Shermer on another party night two months after TAM another of her subtle methods to teach Shermer of his wrong ways?
 
d4m10n said:
Much appreciated.

An account which conflicts with the plain meaning of his e-mail to Wagg right after the event itself, in which the alleged hookup was just a bunch of "gossip rumors" invented by a couple of sexually frustrated skepbros, and Alison was just a "good kid" rather than someone that he would try to have sex with.
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I'm glad Wagg had no other role to play here and was therefore a dispassionate recipient of Shermer's email.

Because otherwise Shermer would have a ton of reasons not to detail his previous nights activities. In fact a reasonable person would ascribe Shermer white knight status, if Wagg was something other than just officialdom.

But I guess, he's not. So your analysis stands.
 
Verklagekasper said:
I assume that not only women but anyone getting dead drunk on events they help organize has issues. Well maybe now you can help explain something.

In August 2008, two months after the incident with Shermer at TAM, Alison Smith was on a panel with Shermer at Dragon*Con. She also met him the evening before, as she has been telling on her blog. She chose to put a photo on that blog showing her, Shermer (putting a hand on her shoulder), and two other men (who appear to be S. Hurst and J. Wagg). She chose to describe the encounter like this:

http://remievandeross.tripod.com/reports/travels/dragoncon2008.html

I'm curious, is having "a blast" with Shermer on another party night two months after TAM another of her subtle methods to teach Shermer of his wrong ways?
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Surely you are not suggesting she should have started with "hello beautiful"? Hornbeck actually has a relevant theory here. The politer you are the greater the fear being withheld.

You lose.
 
Brive1987 said:
Surely you are not suggesting she should have started with "hello beautiful"? Hornbeck actually has a relevant theory here. The politer you are the greater the fear being withheld.

You lose.
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Being polite on an event where you meet the person again would be understandable. Writing on a blog afterwards how much of a blast you had, not so much, IMO. Maybe Hornbeck also has a relevant theory why her account is foggy when it comes to information that could help verify her claims. Like this:

"I reached out to one organization that was involved in the event at which I was raped, and they refused to take my concerns seriously."

This is a serious allegation as it suggests she reported the incident to an organization but her report got dismissed. Who did she report to? How? What was the response?

While we're at it, does Hornbeck also have a relevant theory on what happened to the "dozens" of women who Shermer, according to Smith, made drunk and had sex with?
 
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Verklagekasper said:
Being polite on an event where you meet the person again would be understandable. Writing on a blog afterwards how much of a blast you had, not so much, IMO. Maybe Hornbeck also has a relevant theory why her account is foggy when it comes to information that could help verify her claims. Like this:

"I reached out to one organization that was involved in the event at which I was raped, and they refused to take my concerns seriously."

This is a serious allegation as it suggests she reported the incident to an organization but her report got dismissed. Who did she report to? How? What was the response?

While we're at it, does Hornbeck also have a relevant theory on what happened to the "dozens" of women who Shermer, according to Smith, made drunk and had sex with?
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Dear god I hope not.
 
Brive1987 said:
Dear god I hope not.
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Dear god indead. I like the Canada example (parts in brackets added by me):

P1. This is a person living in Canada.
[Person: "Bonjour!"]
P2. Based on prior experience, about 85% of people living in Canada speak English.
[Person: "Quoi?"]
C1. Therefore, there’s an 85% chance this person will speak English.
[Person: "Qu'est -ce?"]
[Hornbeck: "Shut up, Pierre!"]
 
Verklagekasper said:
I assume that not only women but anyone getting dead drunk on events they help organize has issues.
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What kind of "issues" would those be? Please elaborate!

In August 2008, two months after the incident with Shermer at TAM, Alison Smith was on a panel with Shermer at Dragon*Con. She also met him the evening before, as she has been telling on her blog. She chose to put a photo on that blog showing her, Shermer (putting a hand on her shoulder), and two other men (who appear to be S. Hurst and J. Wagg). She chose to describe the encounter like this:

http://remievandeross.tripod.com/reports/travels/dragoncon2008.html

I'm curious, is having "a blast" with Shermer on another party night two months after TAM another of her subtle methods to teach Shermer of his wrong ways?
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I don't know. Who cares?
 
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Verklagekasper said:
Google for "reasons for substance abuse" and pick one.
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Oh, I am pretty sure that you don't really think that one instance of severe intoxication is enough to diagnose someone as having substance abuse problems. That would be very silly indeed!
 
colander said:
Oh, I am pretty sure that you don't really think that one instance of severe intoxication is enough to diagnose someone as having substance abuse problems. That would be very silly indeed!
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Yes, silly me. How could I have missed that getting dead drunk on an event you helped organizing so that you have to be walked out of the hotel in a wheelchair is a perfectly normal thing to do.
 
Verklagekasper said:
Yes, silly me. How could I have missed that getting dead drunk on an event you helped organizing so that you have to be walked out of the hotel in a wheelchair is a perfectly normal thing to do.
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What is your larger point, after this tut-tutting?
 
Verklagekasper said:
Yes, silly me. How could I have missed that getting dead drunk on an event you helped organizing so that you have to be walked out of the hotel in a wheelchair is a perfectly normal thing to do.
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There's something slightly puritanical about your moralising here.
 
Verklagekasper said:
How about, why did she spend a "lovely portion of the evening" with the man who allegedly raped her two months before?
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This is more relevant to the situation. Unfortunately your previous insistence that her getting drunk was somehow improper behaviour unbefitting of a lady has coloured my judgment of you as somebody who has picked a side and gone all in.
 
Donn said:
Yes. Indeed. Bang!

Imagine that kind of biased thinking from a policeman who is taking a rape victim's statement. At no point entertain that the victim is a real person who is telling the truth.
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Funny how the man is a known liar yet the woman is the one being given the third degree.
 
tsig said:
Way to shoot the messenger before the messenger even arrives.
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Well, at this point the witness would have to show they were actually there. I find it strange that all these people are supposedly willing to come forward, Smith says she is all for them coming forward, but none of them come forward.
 
Brive1987 said:
Surely you are not suggesting she should have started with "hello beautiful"? Hornbeck actually has a relevant theory here. The politer you are the greater the fear being withheld.

You lose.
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:rolleyes: If all actions are indicators of truth, no action is an indicator of truth.
 
Donn said:
Yes. Indeed. Bang!

Imagine that kind of biased thinking from a policeman who is taking a rape victim's statement. At no point entertain that the victim is a real person who is telling the truth.
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Last I checked, I wasn't a cop and I'm not taking a statement, I'm commenting on the evidence presented. If you can't handle a hard question, perhaps this discussion isn't the place for you. Cute kitty cats are in the Community section . . . Thataway>>>
 
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