Continuation Part 10: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Grinder]

No, she said the whole book was based on court testimony.

He said he was completely sure of the accuracy of his report and that he was fluent in Italian. He also told me the story of Mignini telling him that they had a whole bunch of stuff on Lumumba (this was before they found out he had nothing to do with it )

Well when did she lie?

Were you ever concerned that you wouldn't be able to get your hands on enough of the source material to research and write a book?
Never. Perugia is like a true crime store. Italians leak everything from autopsy photos to letters, diaries, videos, and wiretaps. All of those I used in the book, along with the courtroom testimony. I went to Perugia often, at great personal expense, and interviewed the key players, including prosecutor Giuliano Mignini. In addition, the suspects all kept Facebooks, MySpace pages. I interviewed Amanda's family and friends, in Seattle and Perugia. I was in court when Meredith's friends testified; I used their actual words in the book, never needing to invent or exaggerate anything. As one tabloid reporter said in regards to the amount of information out there, "It was a feast."
In fact, my only problem was trimming the book down.

 

[platonov]

They made that part up too. Have you ever wondered where the idea came from that Raffaele and Amanda were involved in the murder? It was invented by the police and prosecutor in Perugia before they knew about the real murderer, Rudy Guede. They took the statements Amanda and Raffaele had signed along with some mistaken or coincidental evidence and imagined a murder scenario involving all three--except of course none of that evidence was valid.

So what makes you think their imaginings were still plausible? Have you ever wondered about the leap of faith required to believe Amanda and Raffaele were still involved despite the fact that everything they were arrested for was nonsense and they later found the actual killer?

Kaosium – you are still with us
Thank goodness !
When another poster was earlier channeling your 'MOVIE will save Amanda' I thought perhaps you had been 'disappeared' by the aliens for coming too close to the elusive truth about Nov 5th.

No that’s real, very real. Ask Raffy.

 

[acbytesla]

Platonov. You never answered my question.

Why hasn't Amanda been in any trouble of any kind in Seattle in more than 300 times the amount of time than she was in in Perugia?

Why hasn't she been arrested by the Police for possession of drugs or drug paraphernalia or DUI or domestic violence of any kind?

Why is it that people who worked with her or went to school with her have only said positive things about her?

Why do we only hear that Amanda had the number of an "alleged" drug dealer in her phone from morons in Italy? Not that she bought drugs. Just unsubstantiated CRAP? Why is it the Italians turned the girl next door into a whore and a drug addict? When they had not a shred of evidence to support it?

Try and answer.

 

[Kaosium]

Kaosium – you are still with us
Thank goodness !
When another poster was earlier channeling your 'MOVIE will save Amanda' I thought perhaps you had been 'disappeared' by the aliens for coming too close to the elusive truth about Nov 5th.

No that’s real, very real. Ask Raffy.

Yes, I'm still here, did a little vacation and enjoying of my summer before it turns to fall, but summer is over now.

However 'real' it is to Raffaele now, you must admit that the original arrests of Patrick, Amanda and Raffaele were on the basis of false evidence and the theory they were involved was 'made up' on the basis of that nonsense.

What are the odds that a made up scenario on the basis of false evidence is still likely to be true after it's revealed that 'evidence' was nonsense?

 

[Desert Fox]

Platonov. You never answered my question.

Why hasn't Amanda been in any trouble of any kind in Seattle in more than 300 times the amount of time than she was in in Perugia?

Why hasn't she been arrested by the Police for possession of drugs or drug paraphernalia or DUI or domestic violence of any kind?

Why is it that people who worked with her or went to school with her have only said positive things about her?

Why do we only hear that Amanda had the number of an "alleged" drug dealer in her phone from morons in Italy? Not that she bought drugs. Just unsubstantiated CRAP? Why is it the Italians turned the girl next door into a whore and a drug addict? When they had not a shred of evidence to support it?

Try and answer.

I think even if she smoked a bit of pot before, she has been scared to the point where she will not touch it.
As far as DWI, does she have a driver's license?

 

[acbytesla]

I think even if she smoked a bit of pot before, she has been scared to the point where she will not touch it.
As far as DWI, does she have a driver's license?

Yes, she smoked a little grass. But she has been alleged to be a coke head.

And you know what?, I don't know if she has a driver's license. But I live in Seattle and I can't imagine not have a drivers license. It's a very hilly city and there really isn't a good transit system. (It's ok) But I read she use to ride her bike to and from the university. Which is a bit of a trip every day.

 

[Grinder]

Yes, I'm still here, did a little vacation and enjoying of my summer before it turns to fall, but summer is over now.

However 'real' it is to Raffaele now, you must admit that the original arrests of Patrick, Amanda and Raffaele were on the basis of false evidence and the theory they were involved was 'made up' on the basis of that nonsense.

What are the odds that a made up scenario on the basis of false evidence is still likely to be true after it's revealed that 'evidence' was nonsense?

And one of the players was relegated and another promoted.

I have always thought that in more than one way the key to the case was the false "confession" and the obvious fact that police had Patrick as the killer well before Amanda told them "what they knew to be correct."

Bill if your drinking something right now stop before going on. It would be funny to think what would have happened had the kids turned up with corroboration for their alibi. Would they have picked another couple to team up with Rudi?

And someone said she is a convicted murderer, which we all know isn't the case.

 

[Samson]

Today from PMF thoughtful quotes judge Masipa

"Human beings are fallible and they depend on memories which failed over time. Thankfully as it shall be clear from the chronology of the events, this court is in a fortunate position in that it has objective evidence in the form of technology which is more reliable than human perception and human memory and against which all the other evidence can be tested. Phone records which tell us exactly who made the call, from which cell phone to which cell phone and at what time, were made available to this court and we took full advantage of that. There is also a record of the duration of each call."

Elswhere Norbert offers this

"PMF's credibility on on the Knox / Sollecito case is linked to a demonstrated willingness to search for truth in all matters, regardless of where it leads."

Judge Masipa would find the truth for Norbert alright, she is a remarkable woman.
She is also being compared to Hellmann by some for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Grinder]

Yes, she smoked a little grass. But she has been alleged to be a coke head.

And you know what?, I don't know if she has a driver's license. But I live in Seattle and I can't imagine not have a drivers license. It's a very hilly city and there really isn't a good transit system. (It's ok) But I read she use to ride her bike to and from the university. Which is a bit of a trip every day.

Not from 52nd and 12th where she lived. Lucky Dan O. didn't catch that one

She had no tickets other than the noise ticket which technically is a residential disturbance.

There have been no court actions involving her statewide.

 

[Bill Williams]

And one of the players was relegated and another promoted.

I have always thought that in more than one way the key to the case was the false "confession" and the obvious fact that police had Patrick as the killer well before Amanda told them "what they knew to be correct."

Bill if your drinking something right now stop before going on. It would be funny to think what would have happened had the kids turned up with corroboration for their alibi. Would they have picked another couple to team up with Rudi?
And someone said she is a convicted murderer, which we all know isn't the case.

Huh??? And you're referring to......?

As Anglo said, they had all sorts of stuff on Lumumba until they had to let him go. I wonder what happened to all that stuff? I'm sure if they'd found another couple to squeeze into this otherwise straightforward one-person crime, they'd have found something.

Stefanoni would have read different peaks, that's all. Massei would have found in Stefanoni's favour because, well, Judges don't diss lab technicians. Not in Italy.

 

[JREF2010]

And someone said she is a convicted murderer, which we all know isn't the case.

the guiltards say that, but in a certain perspective they are right.

if you believe in the system as the holy-truth, and never question it or anything about the system, then it is true the system has voted several times and convicted her for murder.

watch innocents be found guilty, watch an innocent go to prison, watch the system ruin lives, watch the trainwreck, watch the system protect itself from looking a fool and money wasting slop house of idiots guesswork.

it wont be Migninni or Naopeloni or Stefoni going to prison, because they are the system.

at first this case was a mystery, then it was 98% full of knowns,, and that includes the issues that will never be proven as a permanent fact.

then it comes down to humans belief system, nothing more. subjective and biased humans making decisions on things they don't really know, like what happened that night to Meredith.

maybe Ive given up on evidence, now it seems its just the political system, the legal system, the BS system that will make some BS judgement based on their own personal human guesswork.

why not just flip a coin?

 

[Samson]

"made up" Made up ?? She is a convicted killer.

Now now – I know this is upsetting for some but I don’t think referring to RS or his family as nutjobs is the way forward.
After all, he is her alibi.

No she isn't for two reasons.
1. She is provisionally convicted of killing.
2. Amanda can only be a convicted killer if she killed someone. Semantic but important for her if the court confirms the verdict. She will not be a convicted killer because of that decision, but someone convicted of killing.

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes, she smoked a little grass. But she has been alleged to be a coke head.

And you know what?, I don't know if she has a driver's license. But I live in Seattle and I can't imagine not have a drivers license. It's a very hilly city and there really isn't a good transit system. (It's ok) But I read she use to ride her bike to and from the university. Which is a bit of a trip every day.

There is no evidence of her using cocaine . . . .Just more trying to tar her an an evil sex fiend who (by the way) also uses drugs. Throw enough mud at her type of thing.

 

[carbonjam72]

No, she said the whole book was based on court testimony.


He said he was completely sure of the accuracy of his report and that he was fluent in Italian. He also told me the story of Mignini telling him that they had a whole bunch of stuff on Lumumba (this was before they found out he had nothing to do with it )

That's pretty interesting. I wonder if Mignini could have convicted Lumumba if they had wanted to? It would be interesting to see what kinds of evidence they think they had.

Any tramp witnesses? Did Curatolo perhaps see him too? Nara did hear many footsteps, so that is compatible with Lumumba being involved.

 

[Kaosium]

And one of the players was relegated and another promoted.

I have always thought that in more than one way the key to the case was the false "confession" and the obvious fact that police had Patrick as the killer well before Amanda told them "what they knew to be correct."

'Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
Cartwheels, cupcakes and pot;
Untaped sessions and coerced confessions
Should never be forgot!'

It's the key to this case, realizing that the cops are lying about the interrogation and that everything they arrested Amanda, Patrick and Raffaele for was nonsense--but they thought it valid.

Bill if your drinking something right now stop before going on. It would be funny to think what would have happened had the kids turned up with corroboration for their alibi. Would they have picked another couple to team up with Rudi?

They could have added them in as well, or just moved the time of the murder to a time when they didn't have an alibi. Almost no one can provide an alibi that covers from 9 PM one evening until 1PM the next day.

 

[platonov]

Bassoons all the way.

Yes, I'm still here, did a little vacation and enjoying of my summer before it turns to fall, but summer is over now.

However 'real' it is to Raffaele now, you must admit that the original arrests of Patrick, Amanda and Raffaele were on the basis of false evidence and the theory they were involved was 'made up' on the basis of that nonsense.

What are the odds that a made up scenario on the basis of false evidence is still likely to be true after it's revealed that 'evidence' was nonsense?

Hmm, I see the truth of Nov 5th is as elusive as ever. Perhaps that’s why the aliens stayed their hand.
But enough of that – we shall have to agree to differ.

In other more topical news – I hear that gay ice cream (manufactured in the hollow moon) & Iran, Putin and ISIS have joined the conspiracy.
Mignini is a powerful warlock certainly but to manage to get ISIS and Putin to pull together is quite a feat.
Perhaps he is the evil mastermind you guys claim. If so what chance has Amanda. If ISIS are on board Obama should be no problem.

 

[Bill Williams]

There is no evidence of her using cocaine . . . .Just more trying to tar her an an evil sex fiend who (by the way) also uses drugs. Throw enough mud at her type of thing.

In fact, there is evidence she/Sollecito did not use cocaine. The police did the hair test. It came back negative.

 

[Desert Fox]

Hmm, I see the truth of Nov 5th is as elusive as ever. Perhaps that’s why the aliens stayed their hand.
But enough of that – we shall have to agree to differ.

In other more topical news – I hear that gay ice cream (manufactured in the hollow moon) & Iran, Putin and ISIS have joined the conspiracy.
Mignini is a powerful warlock certainly but to manage to get ISIS and Putin to pull together is quite a feat.
Perhaps he is the evil mastermind you guys claim. If so what chance has Amanda. If ISIS are on board Obama should be no problem.

I still note that you are not arguing that the evidence supports guilt.

 

[acbytesla]

Hmm, I see the truth of Nov 5th is as elusive as ever. Perhaps that’s why the aliens stayed their hand.
But enough of that – we shall have to agree to differ.

In other more topical news – I hear that gay ice cream (manufactured in the hollow moon) & Iran, Putin and ISIS have joined the conspiracy.
Mignini is a powerful warlock certainly but to manage to get ISIS and Putin to pull together is quite a feat.
Perhaps he is the evil mastermind you guys claim. If so what chance has Amanda. If ISIS are on board Obama should be no problem.

What are you talking about? Seriously. Do you think this is clever?

 

[Grinder]

Recent posts reminded me of what I thought was a long lost poster

But, as a point of plain fact, Amanda has never said or written anything to indicate she consumed alcohol on the night of the murder, and there is no evidence she did.

After another Knox conviction (and sentencing) are the delusional leaders of the FOA so frantic that they are now reduced to quibbling over senseless semantics ?
Pardon me, but I find this about as logical as Bill Clinton's quibbling about the definition of the word is when he needed to distract attention from his sexual abuse of an intern.

Surely you recall that one of Knox's main justification for her multi and varied and conflicting alibis was that she was under the influence of heavy drug use

To paraphrase another Clinton, '...What difference does it make...?'
What difference does it make if Knox was stoned on MJ or drunk on alcohol

What difference does it make ?????............
unless you simply cannot accept fact that Knox is a twice convicted murderer