Continuation Part 10: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Desert Fox]

It is usually pro forma. But can you name another case of an American convicted on such suspect evidence? Can you name another case where the majority of Americans probably think that defendant innocent?

This is not just another run of the mill pro forma case. Therefore it may not likely be another pro forma extradition process.

Make a bet that if it was an Italian convicted or wanted for a crime in the US under similar circumstances, they would never extradite him or her.

Any takers?

 

[Samson]

Extradition is usually pro forma. Can you regale us with a list of extradition cases in which the US refused on political grounds?

If you're saying it's a political decision in Italy, I too would defer to the Italians that have had a good track record in predicting.

To clarify, since I raised pro forma, in no way was I referring to the process ex America, purely the supposed certainty of an extradition request by Italy on confirmation of conviction.
I agree with Anglo, I believe the American end will keep this forum going for many years. but for Amanda.

 

[NancyS]

I have posted on numerous occasion that if Raffaele and Amanda’s verdicts are confirmed that Amanda will not be extradited, etc etc.

A question; do you believe Raffaele has received preferential treatment as an Italian in this case?

Raffaele is a Southern Italian, which makes him an outsider in Perugia - although I think he's mainly collateral damage in the initial attempt to burn the witch.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Coulsdon,

I would very much appreciate your answering whether or not you will be sanguine about the US rulings on extradition?

Grinder

I would not use the word sanguine. However, I do believe there will be a political decision taken by the State Department in reaction to an “apparent spontaneous groundswell of American public opinion orchestrated by a small group of unconnected individuals”. Raffaele will go to prison, Amanda will publicly state she will continue the fight for his freedom and to clear her name then quietly return to her life.

 

[Samson]

How could Leila Schnepps write this about Oscar Pistorius

You are missing the point. He maintained that he did not know who was behind the door. You may be convinced that he did, but the evidence truly goes towards proving that insofar as can be determined (i.e. not what went on in his head) but just the facts, his story tallied and the prosecution's did not. And factually speaking, the two stories were so different that no reconciliation was possible: one was right and the other wrong.

and be soo wrong about Amanda?

ETA if someone wanted to throw a grenade into pmf dot org, it would suffice to engage this woman.
For example she demolished "McCall" on calling the polis after the postals' arrival on that forum.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

No, I don't think Raf was given special treatment. I think the Italian police are shockingly corrupt and I think coerced confessions, fake evidence, tramp witnesses and wrongful convictions are tragically common in Italy.
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Yes well anyway; Raffaele sentence is exactly the same as Amanda, he has spent exactly the same amount of prison time, so I fail to see where is treatment has been preferential.

Raffaele is a Southern Italian, which makes him an outsider in Perugia - although I think he's mainly collateral damage in the initial attempt to burn the witch.

Yes there is strong historical, shall I say regional tensions between the north and south. Nonetheless, it is truly extraordinary the length’s Amanda’s supporters go to, to make Raffaele possible imprisonment about Amanda and not him, he must be truly heartened by the show of support he gets here and elsewhere and I am sure if he ends up sitting in prison he’ll be consoled by the fact they were really after Amanda.

 

[Samson]

Yes well anyway; Raffaele sentence is exactly the same as Amanda, he has spent exactly the same amount of prison time, so I fail to see where is treatment has been preferential.



Yes there is strong historical, shall I say regional tensions between the north and south. Nonetheless, it is truly extraordinary the length’s Amanda’s supporters go to, to make Raffaele possible imprisonment about Amanda and not him, he must be truly heartened by the show of support he gets here and elsewhere and I am sure if he ends up sitting in prison he’ll be consoled by the fact they were really after Amanda.

Mid evening here, mid morning in Coulsdon. The forum is quiet.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Mid evening here, mid morning in Coulsdon. The forum is quiet.

I am sure Raffaele’s name will be prominent for a page or so then quietly revert to normal service; it appears for many here this is all about one person.

 

[Samson]

I am sure Raffaele’s name will be prominent for a page or so then quietly revert to normal service; it appears for many here this is all about one person.

Not really, I am a neutral referee.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

supporting both

Nonetheless, it is truly extraordinary the length’s Amanda’s supporters go to, to make Raffaele possible imprisonment about Amanda and not him, he must be truly heartened by the show of support he gets here and elsewhere and I am sure if he ends up sitting in prison he’ll be consoled by the fact they were really after Amanda.

First, it is always hazardous to generalize from a small sample. Second, belief that Raffaele is collateral damage does not preclude supporting both Amanda and Raffaele; I am aware of no person who supports Amanda but not Raffaele. Third, the use of the word "extraordinary" is hyperbolic; Raffaele's own book suggests that they were more interested in her than in him. Therefore, your remarks are indicative of confused thinking.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

groundless assertion

I am sure Raffaele’s name will be prominent for a page or so then quietly revert to normal service; it appears for many here this is all about one person.

This assertion is groundless, but it is helpful in one sense.

 

[Samson]

First, it is always hazardous to generalize from a small sample. Second, belief that Raffaele is collateral damage does not preclude supporting both Amanda and Raffaele; I am aware of no person who supports Amanda but not Raffaele. Third, the use of the word "extraordinary" is hyperbolic; Raffaele's own book suggests that they were more interested in her than in him. Therefore, your remarks are indicative of confused thinking.

Amongst a smorgasbord of opportunities for post graduate study is the fluid reconstruction and consequences of this week long romance.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

extraordinary!

First, it is always hazardous to generalize from a small sample. Second, belief that Raffaele is collateral damage does not preclude supporting both Amanda and Raffaele; I am aware of no person who supports Amanda but not Raffaele. Third, the use of the word "extraordinary" is hyperbolic; Raffaele's own book suggests that they were more interested in her than in him. Therefore, your remarks are indicative of confused thinking.

Yea I guess you could be right about my confusion, so whenever I just see Amanda’s name in a post I should read it as “Raffaele and Amanda” or “Amanda and Raffaele”, extraordinary!

 

[Samson]

Yea I guess you could be right about my confusion, so whenever I just see Amanda’s name in a post I should read it as “Raffaele and Amanda” or “Amanda and Raffaele”, extraordinary!

Coulsdon, why that epithet? Let us imagine that Amanda and Raffaele were where they say they were until 9 26 pm on that evening.

 

[carbonjam72]

Yea I guess you could be right about my confusion, so whenever I just see Amanda’s name in a post I should read it as “Raffaele and Amanda” or “Amanda and Raffaele”, extraordinary!

Yes, and you can extend this practice to every tabloid article as well.

The Daily Mail article on Amanda riding her bike to a goodwill store in Seattle, was actually mafia code speak for 'Raffaele will be going back to prison for a change of clothes'.

 

[carbonjam72]

Yea I guess you could be right about my confusion, so whenever I just see Amanda’s name in a post I should read it as “Raffaele and Amanda” or “Amanda and Raffaele”, extraordinary!

This story has always been about Amanda. She was targeted because she was a pretty young girl. The first thing the police did when she was arrested, was take nude keepsake pictures of her vagina. Mignini, the police, the tabloids and media, the civil attorneys - they all exploited Amanda because of her youth, naiveté, beauty, and convenience.

What's astounding to me, is that you don't blame Mignini for Meredith's death, by first failing to arrest and prosecute Rudy Guede for his burglaries in Perugia, and second for (Perugians) calling the Milan police and getting Rudy released and sent back to Perugia five days before he killed Meredith.

Do you not accept that Rudy killed Meredith?

If so, do you think Rudy sexually assaulted, and killed Meredtih, along with others, including possibly Amanda and Raf?

Are you able to reconcile the evidence of only one person, Rudy Guede, as responsible for this crime?

Do you have any opinion at all, or will, "anyone do" to sit in prison as a stand-in for the guilty, and their innocent families to pay off a civil judgement because; Meredith didn't deserve to die, and the Kerchers don't deserve to suffer?

 

[Samson]

This story has always been about Amanda. She was targeted because she was a pretty young girl. The first thing the police did when she was arrested, was take nude keepsake pictures of her vagina. Mignini, the police, the tabloids and media, the civil attorneys - they all exploited Amanda because of her youth, naiveté, beauty, and convenience.

What's astounding to me, is that you don't blame Mignini for Meredith's death, by first failing to arrest and prosecute Rudy Guede for his burglaries in Perugia, and second for (Perugians) calling the Milan police and getting Rudy released and sent back to Perugia five days before he killed Meredith.

Do you not accept that Rudy killed Meredith?

If so, do you think Rudy sexually assaulted, and killed Meredtih, along with others, including possibly Amanda and Raf?

Are you able to reconcile the evidence of only one person, Rudy Guede, as responsible for this crime?

Do you have any opinion at all, or will, "anyone do" to sit in prison as a stand-in for the guilty, and their innocent families to pay off a civil judgement because; Meredith didn't deserve to die, and the Kerchers don't deserve to suffer?

I feel drawn to observe that contributors here become identifiable for quirks as surely as individual members of family and close friends.

 

[Desert Fox]

I think of it kind of this way. Raff was convicted of the exact same crime as Amanda but assume that Amanda had met another young man, that young man would have been convicted in Raff's place.

 

[Bill Williams]

Yes well anyway; Raffaele sentence is exactly the same as Amanda, he has spent exactly the same amount of prison time, so I fail to see where is treatment has been preferential.

Yes there is strong historical, shall I say regional tensions between the north and south. Nonetheless, it is truly extraordinary the length’s Amanda’s supporters go to, to make Raffaele possible imprisonment about Amanda and not him, he must be truly heartened by the show of support he gets here and elsewhere and I am sure if he ends up sitting in prison he’ll be consoled by the fact they were really after Amanda.

I am sure Raffaele’s name will be prominent for a page or so then quietly revert to normal service; it appears for many here this is all about one person.

You intend this as snarky, aimed at "Amanda's supporters", yet in a roundhouse way, you've summarized Raffaele's position as well.
The way Raffaele phrases it is, "What's all this got to do with me?" Indeed, even the "separation" of the defences as seen in the differing appeals' documents reflects this.

Raffale (through Bongiorno in the appeal to Cassazione) says in effect: "Amanda is accused of not being at my apartment when she replies to Lumumba's SMS message. That's all well and good, and I know it's not true. But, even if it is - what's that got to do with me?"

It appears, then, that you can include Raffaele in your post above, that although he has served exactly the same number of days in prison for a crime he did not commit, that this is really about one person. This is so much about one person, that during Bongiorno's closing in Sept 2011, she mentioned Amanda as much as she mentioned her own client....

Read Raffaele's book. Ooops, you cannot. It is effectively banned in the UK.

In it you will find the real reason why, for instance, Raffaele did not testify at either of the trials, except for spontaneous statements. It's because nobody asked. In this forum we've been around this block dozens of times with Machiavelli. No one wanted to know his story.

What is the height of irony in your post, which betrays your opions on this case, is that once again something that was used against Amanda and Raffaele at trial and for 7 years on-line - ignoring Raffaele and obsessing about Amanda - is now blamed on their supporters!

 

[NancyS]

Yes there is strong historical, shall I say regional tensions between the north and south. Nonetheless, it is truly extraordinary the length’s Amanda’s supporters go to, to make Raffaele possible imprisonment about Amanda and not him, he must be truly heartened by the show of support he gets here and elsewhere and I am sure if he ends up sitting in prison he’ll be consoled by the fact they were really after Amanda.

It's a tragedy for Raffaele, he's likely to go to prison for something he didn't do and people barely know his name - and there is nothing that he can say or do to defend himself, without his every utterance being twisted to make a story about Amanda. The Amanda character of the 'story' doesn't even bare any real resemblance to the real Amanda, but instead continues to be obsessed with the drug fuelled, sexually depraved, femme fatale - able to control any man with a wink and a flash of some side boob.