'What about building 7'?

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No. What happened was - when we made it back to the 8th floor, as I told you, earlier both buildings were still standing because I looked -- [he points] Two [pauses] I look one way, look the other way - now there's nothing there
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It now reads "as I told you <comma>. earlier both buildings were standing". When he arrived earlier in the day at WTC7 he looked at each tower, and "now" , when being interviewed, nothing there.

This now makes it easier to accept Jennings' statement in light of the statements by other OEM staffers that indicate that it was evacuated some time between 9:15 and 9:30.
J&H do not see anyone coming down. They could not have gotten to the 23rd floor the first time before WTC2 was hit at 9:03 because the OEM was still manned and wasn't evacuated for at least another 10-20 minutes. More time to find a key, look around, call out and be told to lock up and leave. Easily could be 10:00, or later, by the time they start down. WTC2 has already collapsed. Hess states that the stairwells were dusty/smokey as they descend. That would substantiate that they were not in the stairs until after 10:00. WTC1 collapses before 10:30.
17 flights below the 23 their progress is blocked at the 6th floor.

However J&H were trapped on the 8th floor for 90 minutes and Jennings was interviewed at noon. That puts them at the 6th floor at 10:30

That fits for them to be at he 6th floor when WTC1 came down and the stairs suffered when the SW corner was violently ripped out of WTC7 and the stairwell filled with choking dust and smoke.

It now also explains why they could not use the east stairs as they were choked with dust and debris, and why Jennings could see Barclay Street well only once the window was broken, having been covered in dust which obscured sight through it.
 
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Miragememories said:
Okay, I stand corrected. He was asked to go.
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Well said. Now just accept that his diversion makes it impossible to arrive before the WTC2 impact and his arrival time at WTC7 was closer to 10:00 than 09:00 and the alternate timeline posted upthread begins (stress begins, it's still confused) to make sense of his very confused testimony.

Loss of power = WTC2 collapse. Confirmed elsewhere.
'Explosion' and heat, smoke and dust in stairwell=WTC1 collapse hitting WTC7.
Fires in Barclay St=aftermath of WTC1 collapse. Confirmed widely.
 
jaydeehess said:
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It now reads "as I told you <comma>. earlier both buildings were standing".

When he arrived earlier in the day at WTC7 he looked at each tower, and "now" , when being interviewed, nothing there.
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Do you have an honest bone in your body?

As I told you earlier refers to the fact that he already told them once about the WTC towers still standing when he reached the 8th floor.
 
GlennB said:
Well said. Now just accept that his diversion makes it impossible to arrive before the WTC2 impact and his arrival time at WTC7 was closer to 10:00 than 09:00 and the alternate timeline posted upthread begins (stress begins, it's still confused) to make sense of his very confused testimony.

Loss of power = WTC2 collapse. Confirmed elsewhere.
'Explosion' and heat, smoke and dust in stairwell=WTC1 collapse hitting WTC7.
Fires in Barclay St=aftermath of WTC1 collapse. Confirmed widely.
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I already conceded my doubts about Mr. Jennings reaching the 23rd floor OEM before 2 WTC was attacked.

That does not justify your insistence that he actually arrived a whole hour later and that it took him almost half an hour to make a descent that could be managed easily in under ten minutes (I timed it in a similar building).
 
Miragememories said:
Do you have an honest bone in your body?

As I told you earlier refers to the fact that he already told them once about the WTC towers still standing when he reached the 8th floor.
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Do you? Jennings claims to be in WTC7 when the south tower was hit at 9:03 AM, but he cannot have been because we already know that it was still manned at that time, the occupants witnessing it on their screens. Some time after that they evacuated. Some time after that Jennings and Hess arrived to find the OEM locked. After that they went back down to the lobby and found a person who had a key. After that they went back up, entered looked about, no power, screens dark. Then they made " several calls", and only after all this did they leave the 23rd floor. They then went down to the 6th floor, back up in the dark to the 8th floor, crossed the 8th floor to check the east stairs, then to the NE corner and only then did the south tower collapse at 10 AM.

All that in less than an hour!

Why can my interpretation of his use of "earlier" not be correct?
ETA wrt "earlier" I admit I
Jennings means what MM says.

ETA: On two occasions Jennings refers to busting out "a" window. Once in in the two minute street interview and again in an interview I saw on Prison Planet.
 
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jaydeehess said:
Why can my interpretation of his use of "earlier" not be correct?
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Because you are deliberately misrepresenting the actual interview!

Barry Jenning's Interviewer said:
"This is vital!

Because the whole Official Story , the whole reason that 7 WTC collapsed allegedly, was because 1 WTC fell onto it and caused damage. [Note this interview took place prior to the release of the final NIST Report on the collapse of 7 WTC.] And what people are going to say, is they are going to say; "Barry was hit by debris from 1 WTC."
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Mr. Jennings said:
"No!

What happened was - when we made it back to the 8th floor, as I told you earlier, both buildings were still standing because I looked..."
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HE LOOKED!
 
jaydeehess said:
Jennings claims to be in WTC7 when the south tower was hit at 9:03 AM, but he cannot have been because we already know that it was still manned at that time, the occupants witnessing it on their screens.
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Source? Who were the occupants?
 
ergo said:
Source? Who were the occupants?
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Some quotes were given upthread, or you could Google "WTC7 tenants".

Or just use a little logic - assume he arrived at 9:00 (between the two plane strikes). What would be the odds on evacuating the whole building in 14 minutes so that he'd find it empty? Precisely zero.

That he didn't arrive before the second strike is the obvious answer to the puzzle.
 
jaydeehess said:
2.5 hours after I add an edit to my post you respond as if its not there.
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I responded to your continued distortion of what occurred.

You have a difficult time acknowledging when you are wrong without back tracking and repeating the same garbage.

Mr. Jennings was afforded every opportunity to express uncertainty.

His testimony, with or without, his observation of the still standing WTC twin towers when he arrived at the 8th floor, was still of interest.

He did not have any reason to make up stuff that might be discredited by other witnesses like Mr. Hess or his rescuers.

If the 9/11 Commision and the BBC ever release their raw interviews with Mr. Jennings we might gain more insight regarding the chronological jumps in his testimony.
 
Miragememories said:
I responded to your continued distortion of what occurred.

You have a difficult time acknowledging when you are wrong without back tracking and repeating the same garbage.
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My edit WAS an admission of my being incorrect. You seem bent on rubbing my face in it when that occurs. Why is that?

Jennings is clearly wrong. He DID NOT arrive at WTC 7 before WTC 2 was hit. He really cannot have done everything that he and Hess had to do in under an hour unless they were sprinting about WTC 7.

If the 9/11 Commision and the BBC ever release their raw interviews with Mr. Jennings we might gain more insight regarding the chronological jumps in his testimony.
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Because the BBC is "in on it" (the cover up) right?
 
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Miragememories said:
Do you have an honest bone in your body?

As I told you earlier refers to the fact that he already told them once about the WTC towers still standing when he reached the 8th floor.
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Can you show me in the video where he told them earlier that he saw the towers still standing? Here is what Barry says at 10:42 in the video linked here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o0PTsP1_AE
Barry Jennings said:
When we made it back to the 8th floor. As I told you earlier, both buildings were still standing because I looked... two... I looked one way, looked the other way, now there's nothing there.
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Here is what Barry actually said earlier in the video:

Barry Jennings said:
After getting to the the 8th floor, everything was dark. It was dark and very, very hot. VERY hot. Um... I asked Mr. Hess to test the phones as I took a fire extinguisher and broke out the windows. Once I broke out the windows, I could see outside below me, I saw... uh... police cars on fire... buses on fire... uh... I looked one way, the building was there. I looked the other way, it was gone.
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No where in the earlier statement does he say anything about the towers. So what "building" is he talking about? Is he suggesting that he looked one way and then the other and in that time frame the towers came down?

What about the fact that the power in WTC7 building was out BEFORE he experienced his "explosion" on the 6th floor. What caused the power to go out in WTC7? The two plane impacts of WTC1 and WTC2? Quote at 5:57 in the video linked above.

Barry Jennings said:
Keep in mind now, it's pitch black in there. All the lights went out. So when the explosion happened, it blew us back
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ergo said:
Source? Who were the occupants?
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Richard Bylicki

(After the impact of AA 11 into WTC 1 - Africanus) Director Odermatt quickly debriefed me and instructed me to open the Emergency Operations Center (EOC) for a fully staffed operation, which I did. While in the EOC I assisted the Watch Command in handling an enormous influx of telephone calls, many from top City officials. During this time I observed the second plane hit the South tower via live video feed.
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Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14274666/NYC-B14-OEM-Fdr-Richard-Bylicki-Request-for-Recognition-035
 
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