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And it might come down to a *****load of forensic evidence pointing to one clear unambiguous description of events.
We can hope.

If there is a clear and convincing case supporting Wilson, it would be acceptable. But if the evidence looks equivocal, or ambiguous, or it looks like Brown was giving up when shot, and they let Wilson off, it'll be bad news.
 
Thanks for the eye-roll (although you seem incapable of posting without it) ... but I never said anything about "severely beaten nearly unconscious" so you can just take your straw somewhere else.

You already have claimed you have proven any severe injury to be a hoax, so you can probably just sit back and wait to see if you are indeed correct.
Never said? :eye-poppi

No, all you did was post news accounts including quotes that reported the severely beaten nearly unconscious with an eye socket fracture narrative.
 
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Wilson isn't on camera for very long at all in any of the Piaget videos I can find.

Is there an unedited video out there?
And the pattern repeats: the right wing blogosphere makes stuff up then says, if there's no evidence proving the claims false the claims have merit.

Regardless of what we don't have evidence of, what we do have evidence of is a pacing Wilson in no obvious distress and the initial report of a visible face swelling by the chief who was reporting his direct observation of Wilson.

"Josie" never mentions beaten almost unconscious or the eye socket fracture. The chief never said the injury looked severe.


All the rest comes from unnamed friends and god knows where else.
 
How about this.

You can accept that there is nothing you can do or say to convince other people in this thread about the possible extent of any damage until the official report is released. Accusing people of forgetting the most basic elements of skepticism will not get them to change their minds. Likening them to Bigfoot believers will not get them to change their minds. Telling them to watch the video will not get them to change their minds.

We could just all agree that that point of contention CANNOT be resolved to everyone's satisfaction until the official repot is released. We could just let it go.
I'm not accusing any particular individual of anything. I'm pointing out the evidence for this eye socket fracture and severe beating is absent except for unsupported claims.

Whoever choses to buy into that story based on evidence against it, and, only unsupported claims for it, is on their own to justify or contradict their lack of skepticism, backpedal, or admit it is an unsupportable claim.
 
If there is a clear and convincing case supporting Wilson, it would be acceptable. But if the evidence looks equivocal, or ambiguous, or it looks like Brown was giving up when shot, and they let Wilson off, it'll be bad news.

As if you hadn't revealed your extreme bias previous, it's patently obvious that you don't understand how the system of justice works in this Country...

You've never heard of innocent until PROVEN guilty. I must say I'm not surprised...
 
Yes, that's what's interesting. He obviously has inside information that no one else knew at the time and wouldn't become public until (the first of it) two days later when Dorian Johnson surfaces....yet he tells a story (regarding the shooting) obviously in contrast to what the physical evidence shows.

I find that interesting.

This is one of those things that seems it has to be significant because this guy has so much information about the robbery, and - at least to me - it seems unlikely he got it from Dorian Johnson. He describes Michael Brown handing the box of cigars to "his homeboy", and doesn't even mention Dorian being there for the walk home or the shooting; his description of the shooting doesn't match Dorian's. However, his take on Michael getting down on his knees with his hands in the air and being shot in the head execution-style by Officer Wilson was the story that was broadcast around the world. Of course, the autopsy says it didn't go down that way, IMO.

It sounds like either he saw the store video or he talked to someone who had seen it. It's possible he talked to Dorian and just left him out of it, but if that were the case both ends of the story would have matched.

I sure would love to talk to this guy.
 
....This is the strawman that people keep putting forward; that if somebody believes the shooting was justified, they must believe that execution for c-store robbery is also justified.
It's about the same amount of straw that if we don't think a shove and minor theft is evidence of a propensity to attack a cop or charge at one in a drug crazed state, we must believe the store theft and threatening the clerk are excusable behavior.
 
An un-named source close to Ferguson, MO (California) claim that Dorian Johnson couldn't hang around to talk to the police. He had had to make an urgent trip home to change his shorts and take a shower. Then have a few tokes, and get on the phone to his buds. That gave him time to embellish his story.
 
Because I've read all the articles and followed along on this thread. The EMTs might have treated Wilson but the police didn't let them near Michael Brown for hours.
Someone with what looks like an aid bag assesses Brown within the first 10 minutes before the white sheet is placed over the body. We know the time frame because there is a 10 minute video shortly after the shooting and the white sheet is finally placed over the body at the end of the 10 minutes.
 
As if you hadn't revealed your extreme bias previous, it's patently obvious that you don't understand how the system of justice works in this Country...

You've never heard of innocent until PROVEN guilty. I must say I'm not surprised...
Does that not apply to Michael Brown?
 
This is one of those things that seems it has to be significant because this guy has so much information about the robbery, and - at least to me - it seems unlikely he got it from Dorian Johnson.

Remember this was put on Youtube on August 10th, the day after Michale Brown was killed, two days before Dorian Johnson surfaced, and five days before the video from the Ferguson Market was released.

I think some of this stuff he must have gotten from Dorian Johnson, or he was there himself. A recap:

1. That Michael Brown had stolen the Cigarillos.

2. That it was the Ferguson Market and not the Quik Trip.

3. That the Ferguson Market had not called police.

4. That Dorian Johnson had put the box back on the counter after Mike Brown handed them to him. What detail!

5. That someone had said Mike Brown was running from the police.

6. He knows that the police had passed up Dorian Johnson and Mike Brown and uses the same phrase 'almost to our destination' as Johnson would tell media two days later when he surfaced on MSNBC.

He describes Michael Brown handing the box of cigars to "his homeboy", and doesn't even mention Dorian being there for the walk home or the shooting;

Yet he knows what Dorian Johnson said and that the cop initially passed them up, since corroborated by Dorian Johnson and Josie, who adds that from what she heard there were expletives.

his description of the shooting doesn't match Dorian's.

Yes, and that's interesting too. How did that come about?


However, his take on Michael getting down on his knees with his hands in the air and being shot in the head execution-style by Officer Wilson was the story that was broadcast around the world. Of course, the autopsy says it didn't go down that way, IMO.

Exactly!

It sounds like either he saw the store video or he talked to someone who had seen it.

The store video didn't go public until the fifteenth, and even the rumors in the neighborhood had it being the Quik Trip which was trashed the first night of violence and if I recall correctly that's where 'snitches get stitches' came from. The Ferguson Market got theirs the night the video became public as I recall.

Do you suppose the proprietors of the Ferguson Market showed it to him one day after the shooting? Or was he there? Or is he going from what he heard from Dorian Johnson privately?



It's possible he talked to Dorian and just left him out of it, but if that were the case both ends of the story would have matched.

My point here is that he has remarkable (and correct) details that the public did not know until days--if not almost a week--later, yet the story of the final encounter is impossible. A legend in the making?

I sure would love to talk to this guy.

I imagine the police have.
 
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Remember this was put on Youtube on August 10th, the day after the murder, two days before Dorian Johnson surfaced, and five days before the video from the Ferguson Market was released....
I hate to tell you but Johnson was on the news giving his account shortly after the shooting.
 
Regarding the supposed orbital fracture or lack thereof, seems to me the only way to determine if such a fracture does or does not exist is to examine the police officer's medical x-ray. Would it not be against HIPAA laws to disclose such information without the consent of the patient?
 
I hate to tell you but Johnson was on the news giving his account shortly after the shooting.

This is his exclusive MSNBC interview from August 12th, it was my understanding he was laying low until then, the piece says he's not even been interviewed by police as of this interview. Do you have any reports of Dorian Johnson before this exclusive MSNBC interview?

The youtube was posted on August 10th.
 
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Regarding the supposed orbital fracture or lack thereof, seems to me the only way to determine if such a fracture does or does not exist is to examine the police officer's medical x-ray. Would it not be against HIPAA laws to disclose such information without the consent of the patient?

Treatment of this injury would also be available to prosecutors or a grand jury via subpoena.
 
Regarding the supposed orbital fracture or lack thereof, seems to me the only way to determine if such a fracture does or does not exist is to examine the police officer's medical x-ray. Would it not be against HIPAA laws to disclose such information without the consent of the patient?
Yup. Anyone associated with the health care system caught leaking without the consent of the patient is open to career ending repercussions.
 
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