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Michael Brown Shooting

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MattusMaximus said:
Again, working all the possible angles...

It is entirely possible that Wilson was a good cop up until he killed Brown in cold blood. Just as it is possible he was *both* a really crappy, racist cop who was also attacked by Brown and simply defended himself.

I think people just need to let the investigation play out at this stage. All this CSI-via-the-Internet nonsense isn't helping at all.
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If you keep questioning The Gospel of St. Michael, you will be labeled a racist or an apologist for dirty cops.
 
12AX7 said:
This thread is moving quick so I may have missed this. What evdence do you have of Brown being involved in "the drug trade"?

Note: Not dug use, drug trade.
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If he wasn't selling, why did he need whole boxes of cigarillos to make pot filled smokes? Um, Blunts was what somebody up thread called them?

He did not have drivers license to ID himself, only an expired permit. Makes it hard to buy smokes when young enough to be asked. Which necessitates the strong arm robbery to get his stock in trade.

Not much evidence, but then why should I let that bother ME?

Though nobody has commented on the rest of my list.that there are lots of potential witnesses who would see the positive side of coming to the cops.
 
MattusMaximus said:
I prefer to discount all eye-witness reports (both pro-Wilson and pro-Brown) for the reasons previously mentioned: eye-witness testimony sucks as evidence.
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Unfortunately, you missed TAM XII. It was one of my favorites, because of talks by Carol Tavris and this one by Elizabeth Loftus, which should be required viewing for everyone:

 
Distracted1 said:
What part of
People who have identified themselves as witnesses in this situation may in fact be lesscredible than those who believe they are speaking in anonymity ( and thus without repercussions after the fact ) without danger of going against what the audio showed was already the prevailing meme on that street.
Are you unable to grasp?
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It seems pretty obvious to me. I suppose JK would accept any story as long as the person officially identified themselves as a witness. Bizarre.
 
casebro said:
If he wasn't selling, why did he need whole boxes of cigarillos to make pot filled smokes? Um, Blunts was what somebody up thread called them?

He did not have drivers license to ID himself, only an expired permit. Makes it hard to buy smokes when young enough to be asked. Which necessitates the strong arm robbery to get his stock in trade.

Not much evidence, but then why should I let that bother ME?

Though nobody has commented on the rest of my list.that there are lots of potential witnesses who would see the positive side of coming to the cops.
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I have been reading the thread, I just haven't participated because I have nothing to add. I just wanted to offer an alternate possibility here. I know he's black and all which makes your assumptions extremely likely but you are ignoring the alternate (albeit very unlikely because he is black, after all), possibility that he smokes cigars. I don't have any concrete evidence to support this so I understand you not believing me but I have even heard, once, that not all black people smoke blunts.
 

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sgtbaker said:
I have been reading the thread, I just haven't participated because I have nothing to add. I just wanted to offer an alternate possibility here. I know he's black and all which makes your assumptions extremely likely but you are ignoring the alternate (albeit very unlikely because he is black, after all), possibility that he smokes cigars. I don't have any concrete evidence to support this so I understand you not believing me but I have even heard, once, that not all black people smoke blunts.
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I'm not even willing to agree that he stole a box therefore drug sales.
 
OneShotKi11 said:
Im sure this has been posted a million times, but here it is just in case. Video of witnesses not knowing they were being recorded moments after the shooting describing it to neighborhood people and their accounts of it match perfectly with the cops account of the story.
"Im thinking he missing, but the dude start running; kept coming towards the police."- 1:05 in the video

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html
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"We" have discounted them, because they didn't have a notarized certificate identifying themselves as an Official Witness(tm).
 
casebro said:
If he wasn't selling, why did he need whole boxes of cigarillos to make pot filled smokes? Um, Blunts was what somebody up thread called them?
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I would presume for the same reason my friends and I tried to get booze and beer when I was a teenager, for your group. For some reason, though, nobody called me a drug dealer.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
It was about the case at hand back when you flipped out and condemned everyone in the thread who didn't agree with you.
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Yes, because the irrelevant robbery was so definitely not a tangent. :rolleyes:

ProBonoShill said:
These are quite possibly the dumbest things I've ever read here and considering I spend most of my time at the 9/11 Conspiracies sub-forum that says a lot.
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Know a lot of cops? I do. My step-dad was a cop. My best friend has a dad that was a cop. And the stories they tell about abuse in the force would make your blood curdle. Nasty stuff that rarely got reported because the victims are marginalized in society.

My step-dad was glad to be rid of all that when he was able to retire. The good old boys protecting each other club was something he left and didn't look back too fondly on.

So, yes, going on my fairly intimate knowledge of the situation I can verify that police officers tend to be sociopaths that bully just for the sake of bullying and usually get away with it. That is until things just all blow up at once and then everyone pretends to not know why the people are suddenly so mad at them.
 
Travis said:
Know a lot of cops? I do. My step-dad was a cop. My best friend has a dad that was a cop. And the stories they tell about abuse in the force would make your blood curdle. Nasty stuff that rarely got reported because the victims are marginalized in society.

My step-dad was glad to be rid of all that when he was able to retire. The good old boys protecting each other club was something he left and didn't look back too fondly on.

So, yes, going on my fairly intimate knowledge of the situation I can verify that police officers tend to be sociopaths that bully just for the sake of bullying and usually get away with it. That is until things just all blow up at once and then everyone pretends to not know why the people are suddenly so mad at them.
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Funny, all the police I know have never told any similar "stories". I must be missing out.
 
Travis said:
Yes, because the irrelevant robbery was so definitely not a tangent. :rolleyes:



Know a lot of cops? I do. My step-dad was a cop. My best friend has a dad that was a cop. And the stories they tell about abuse in the force would make your blood curdle. Nasty stuff that rarely got reported because the victims are marginalized in society.

My step-dad was glad to be rid of all that when he was able to retire. The good old boys protecting each other club was something he left and didn't look back too fondly on.

So, yes, going on my fairly intimate knowledge of the situation I can verify that police officers tend to be sociopaths that bully just for the sake of bullying and usually get away with it. That is until things just all blow up at once and then everyone pretends to not know why the people are suddenly so mad at them.
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You overgeneralize far too often to even pretend to be able to discuss this rationally.
 
LTC8K6 said:
With number of cops and agents in Ferguson scouring for witnesses, the person speaking could well have been found.
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That would be great. Then we'd know for certain what this person did or did not see, and have an actual, reliable record of it. I'm all for hearing different sides of the story from different witnesses. I'm just not willing to accept the garbled audio of random people discussing the incident in the background of a Youtube video, no matter which side they hurt or help.

Frankly, I'm a disappointed in the the lack of confirmed narrative from the police. Had they released the robbery video and an incident report early on it might have headed off a lot of this nonsense. I think they've only stoked the fires of mistrust with their handling of this case.
 
johnny karate said:
That would be great. Then we'd know for certain what this person did or did not see, and have an actual, reliable record of it. I'm all for hearing different sides of the story from different witnesses. I'm just not willing to accept the garbled audio of random people discussing the incident in the background of a Youtube video, no matter which side they hurt or help.

Frankly, I'm a disappointed in the the lack of confirmed narrative from the police. Had they released the robbery video and an incident report early on it might have headed off a lot of this nonsense. I think they've only stoked the fires of mistrust with their handling of this case.
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To be fair, I've gotten the impression that a lot of people would have howled regardless of when things were released. There's a strong "criticize the cops no matter what they do" vibe going.
 
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