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Michael Brown Shooting

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LTC8K6 said:
Well, it seems like the GJ has only this autopsy to go with.
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It says right in the New York Times article that these are only preliminary results. More results are forthcoming. Maybe we should wait for those.
 
If you watch the Zapruder film, from the way JFK reacted it certainly looks like he was shot from in front. This stuff can be tricky.
 
johnny karate said:
Why would that sting?

I don't see where this witness claimed Brown was shot in the back.

I see where she claimed she saw his body jerk, and compared that to being hit from behind.

But I don't see where she actually claimed he was shot in the back.
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They may not have said so directly, but that was the overwhelming gist of events on the internet. It was very common to read posts claiming Brown was shot in the back, and then finally executed when he turned around to surrender.
The media certainly didn't stop that idea from getting around.

It's got to be shocking to see no back wounds.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10174664&postcount=1673

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I'm sorry, but do you have anything to offer here? For a guy who claims to have no horse in the race you're acting like a jockey. Read what those witnesses said. Look at the bullet holes in his arms. Are those not consistent with arms raised? Or are you just so entrenched at this point that this is all you have left to give. One witness already said he thought the shots from behind missed. Why is this a surprise to you when it isn't to anyone else? My lowered expectations were too optimistic.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The burden of proof will not be on the officer, though. The prosecutor will have to prove the officer shot Brown while he was surrendering. It seems like that will be difficult.
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It might not be that difficult, assuming they get an indictment. Brown's companion's testimony won't be much help. The two women witnesses should provide a pretty solid narrative. I think it will boil down to: a) is Officer Wilson going to claim he shot Brown because Brown was charging him, b) can the forensics establish whether Brown was running or standing still when hit and c) did Wilson have the legal right to use deadly force on a man charging him if the man is unarmed.

As for b I think a lot depends on the bullets' path through Brown's body. If they're all straight through then it will indicate Brown was standing straight up when shot. If they're slightly angled I think that will indicate he was bent forward and running. But I still think the case depends on c. If an officer does have the right to shoot an unarmed man who is charging him than I don't see Wilson getting convicted.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
How do you figure those two injuries are related?

And the way bullets change direction (the eye entry ended up in the jaw and then collar bone), your premise is flawed.
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Right. I should have said, if the injuries are associated, it supports the notion that his arms were down. Know is a pretty drastic overstatement. The wound channels will be as important as the placement. Looking at the overall grouping, though, does support in my opinion his arms being down - keeping in mind the aim point is the center of mass.
 
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newyorkguy said:
It might not be that difficult, assuming they get an indictment. Brown's companion's testimony won't be much help. The two women witnesses should provide a pretty solid narrative. I think it will boil down to: a) is Officer Wilson going to claim he shot Brown because Brown was charging him, b) can the forensics establish whether Brown was running or standing still when hit and c) did Wilson have the legal right to use deadly force on a man charging him if the man is unarmed.

As for b I think a lot depends on the bullets' path through Brown's body. If they're all straight through then it will indicate Brown was standing straight up when shot. If they're slightly angled I think that will indicate he was bent forward and running. But I still think the case depends on c. If an officer does have the right to shoot an unarmed man who is charging him than I don't see Wilson getting convicted.
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Yes, I already posted that the narrative would have to change to say that Wilson should not have shot a charging suspect.

But Wilson has apparently said that Brown had already fought with him over his gun...and Brown is a big boy.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The narrative would then be that the officer didn't have to shoot just because the suspect was charging him.
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I think the new narrative will be that the officer didn't have to shoot since Michael Brown was only charging back at the police officer to tell him he was sorry, like he did during the misunderstanding in the convenience store.

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CNN stating shots being fired at the police.

This is escalating.

I think there is a very high chance that the National Guard will be called in before this is over.
 
If Baden could show in court that Brown was likely surrendering, or was not running, they would have released that info at the press conference, imo.

The Officer's story is out there, basically.

If that autopsy contradicted it, they would have said so.
 
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marplots said:
Now that he was shot only in the front side, how will the narrative change? What's the new story to incorporate this information? I leave it to my betters to write.
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The shots from the front came from the grassy knoll.
 
johnny karate said:
Feel free to present a scenario in which this witness is on the stand, and her testimony could be impeached by that claim.

Dorian Johnson could definitely be impeached as witness. He made an emphatic claim that Brown was shot in the back.

Tiffany Mitchell did not.
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Like I said, OK. :dig:
 
LTC8K6 said:
But Wilson has apparently said that Brown had already fought with him over his gun...and Brown is a big boy.
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Without the previous struggle, shooting someone who is simply approaching, even in an aggressive manner, is pretty borderline -- on its best day.
 
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