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Michael Brown Shooting

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LTC8K6 said:
I think that is extremely unlikely. Plus, there would be no way that I know of to prove that save for a video of the shooting itself.

How do we know these independent witnesses actually saw anything?
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Wait... now you're suddenly skeptical of witness claims? That's rich.

And I'm not defending or necessarily agreeing with anything these witnesses said. But their claims are evidence. Feel free to dismiss that evidence all you want, but it's still evidence.
 
johnny karate said:
Please post the photo you are looking at so I can explain to you how silly your layperson's incredulity is.
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I posted two different photos here yesterday. Go look for them. They will be easy to see in a rapid scroll because they are attachments and not links.
 
LTC8K6 said:
There is also the ID requirement to buy tobacco products. You have to show ID if you look like you might be under 18. The store owner can get into trouble for selling tobacco to a minor.
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There you go.

He was just saving that shop owner the hassle of a ticket for selling tobacco to someone without an ID.

He really was a sweet kid.

*Howie smashes shop window and runs off with Nikes*
 
William Parcher said:
The guy never mentioned having robbed a store minutes earlier so he is on some false memory trip.
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Wilson is the police officer. LTC8K6 seems to think what his friend who wasn't there has to say about the incident is relevant. For some reason.
 
Howie Felterbush said:
There you go.

He was just saving that shop owner the hassle of a ticket for selling tobacco to someone without an ID.

He really was a sweet kid.

*Howie smashes shop window and runs off with Nikes*
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I for one am willing to concede that Brown was a bad person.

But I'm not sure how that gets us any closer to determining if his death was justified.
 
This thread could be around for a while, so here is a definition of the word "thug" and its historical information. The source is Oxford Dictionaries.


thug
Syllabification: thug
Pronunciation: /THəɡ

noun
1A violent person, especially a criminal.
[ mid 19th century: extension of sense 2]

2 (Thug) historical A member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
 
johnny karate said:
Wilson is the police officer. LTC8K6 seems to think what his friend who wasn't there has to say about the incident is relevant. For some reason.
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I thought you were talking about Johnson.

You said...

Was Wilson's friend there?
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Inside that statement is an inherent comparison to Johnson who was there. Wilson's friend wasn't there but Johnson was - this can imply that Johnson's story is to be considered (more) accurate because he was an actual eyewitness. Maybe you didn't mean any of that.
 
GWCarver said:
This thread could be around for a while, so here is a definition of the word "thug" and its historical information. The source is Oxford Dictionaries.


thug
Syllabification: thug
Pronunciation: /THəɡ

noun
1A violent person, especially a criminal.
[ mid 19th century: extension of sense 2]

2 (Thug) historical A member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
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I'm aware of the etymology but if it's commonly held as a racially charged word I won't use it. No sense in being inflammatory when there are other words that work well, like thief.
 
The Greater Fool said:
Post 530... on page 14. Turns out 'Yesterday' is 14 or more pages long.
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Thanks!

Yeah, pretty much the photo I thought it would be. From 10 or 20 feet away, and in profile.

For anyone - especially random internet sleuths - to claim anything conclusive can be determined from that photo is laughable.
 
johnny karate said:
Thanks!

Yeah, pretty much the photo I thought it would be. From 10 or 20 feet away, and in profile.

For anyone - especially random internet sleuths - to claim anything conclusive can be determined from that photo is laughable.
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Agreed, photo doesn't tell us **** from shinola.
 
William Parcher said:
I thought you were talking about Johnson.

You said...

Inside that statement is an inherent comparison to Johnson who was there. Wilson's friend wasn't there but Johnson was - this can imply that Johnson's story is to be considered (more) accurate because he was an actual eyewitness. Maybe you didn't mean any of that.
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Fair enough. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

As far as the veracity of Johnson's story, I would see it's at least more reliable than that of Wilson's friend by virtue of the fact that he was actually there. Would you disagree?
 
William Parcher said:
I thought you were talking about Johnson.

You said...



Inside that statement is an inherent comparison to Johnson who was there. Wilson's friend wasn't there but Johnson was - this can imply that Johnson's story is to be considered (more) accurate because he was an actual eyewitness. Maybe you didn't mean any of that.
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I think he was referring to the poster who used Wilson's friend as evidence of something. Wilson's friend wasn't there, and so his version of anything is worthless. He wasn't there. He didn't see anything. The other witnesses who were actually there can provide far more information. In the case of Dorian, he was right there in the thick of it. But having been with Brown during the Great Cigarillo Heist (even though he committed no crime), some people may choose to ignore his testimony (which seems to have been the intent of the FPD in releasing that info). There were other witnesses there who back Dorian up. Wilson's friend is not relevant to anything, wouldn't you agree?
 
GWCarver said:
This thread could be around for a while, so here is a definition of the word "thug" and its historical information. The source is Oxford Dictionaries.


thug
Syllabification: thug
Pronunciation: /THəɡ

noun
1A violent person, especially a criminal.
[ mid 19th century: extension of sense 2]

2 (Thug) historical A member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
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I posted this earlier in the thread in response to a similar argument:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/iuwskp/2-broken-guys

To pretend that "thug" doesn't have a charged meaning in today's vernacular is silly.

Edit: The relevance of the video doesn't actually present itself until towards the end.
 
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johnny karate said:
Fair enough. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

As far as the veracity of Johnson's story, I would see it's at least more reliable than that of Wilson's friend by virtue of the fact that he was actually there. Would you disagree?
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I would. He's got reasons to lie, and people misremember events badly in exciting situations.
Even boring ones.
 
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