Distracted1
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That " absurd technicality" has a name. It's assault. And of course, it was absurdly clear from the video that had the clerk protested further Mr. Brown would have grinned, said " aww, shucks" and given back the merchandise.
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How many times has a variant of,"The cop had no knowledge of the robbery." been tossed about in this thread? It doesn't matter what the cop knew, it sure does matter that the thug knew.
Yes I used thug. Battery is a thuggish behavior. Robbery is too.
Yes I used thug. Battery is a thuggish behavior. Robbery is too.
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Distracted1
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As I said before, if I attack a man with a gun, I am going to try to get that gun. I would think that would be anyone's response. It's not gonna be " oh let's wrestle around until you can pull your weapon and kill me "
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And these are the specific circumstances:
Please explain how these specifics apply to this case.
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My guess is that the officer doesn't like Brown's response to being told to get off the street, which was considerably less cordial than what Dorian Johnson claims. He begins to exit his vehicle in order to lose the disadvantage of being in a seated position, so he can take the interaction to the next level if necessary (at this point this probably means just restating that they needed to get on the sidewalk, or it may have meant more, like him expressing a desire to search them, or something) and at this point, Brown decides the officer isn't getting out of his vehicle, and pushes him back into it/pushed the door into the officer.
Officer has now been assaulted and knows that he needs his gun out to, at the very least, gain compliance and ensure his own safety. But now Brown is coming into the cruiser and attacking him further. You can debate whether that was Brown reacting to seeing the officer get his gun out, and I don't care if it was or not. When an officer draws his weapon your means of avoiding being shot is compliance, not trying to take it from him.
Don't fret, I've got it covered in the meantime.
Very much so, you were entirely correct to call the thug a thug.
Distracted1
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Exactly.
He was making it abundantly clear to the clerk the further physical harm he would experience should he persist in attempting to thwart this robbery.
So he's going to assault this officer? In the car? Who grabbed him after slamming his car in reverse and banging his door on Brown? And in said scuffle somehow grab this guy's gun from his holster? All the way across the guys body in his position? Really now?
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Yep. I think the next phase was knockout game.
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If he's completely surprised or relaxed, how does his vehicle end up in that position crosswise the street? That suggests he was stopping them purposely and immediately, doesn't it? Either because he realized they were suspects from the grab and go or he was pissed off.
No matter what this is very strange behavior from a trained law enforcement professional. He initiated this encounter, he had a radio, a truck, a side arm and probably a rifle/shotgun of some sort. He should not be putting himself in a position when alone where the integrity of his weapon was in question.
Distracted1
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The man had just attacked the officer, apparently out of nowhere ( from the policeman's viewpoint ) , attempting to do him harm, and get his gun. That made him a violent, dangerous ,felon.
By definition, a violent felon is a danger to others.
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I wouldn't be granting a lot of weight to anything Dorian Johnson, or the members of the "snitches get stitches" community have to say about what happened out there.
The officer is our best source.
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Yes, because "let me grab for your gun so my life is instantly forfeit" is so much more plausible.
This oddly specific scenario you've concocted seems like a convenient dodge for having to explain why you so readily believe Michael Brown was capable of killing a cop.
This story makes much more sense to me now that I've watched the store video.
Previously, it didn't make sense that police officer would roll up on some jaywalkers and start shooting. On the other hand, it didn't make sense that some average kid would just start fighting with an armed police over a jaywalking warning. However, as the video shows, the ease in which Brown grabbed the items from the counter, knocked the store clerk away from the door and then, rather than just walk out with the stolen goods, turned around to intimidate the clerk back into the store goes a long way to explain how the confrontation with police likely went down a few minutes later.
Previously, it didn't make sense that police officer would roll up on some jaywalkers and start shooting. On the other hand, it didn't make sense that some average kid would just start fighting with an armed police over a jaywalking warning. However, as the video shows, the ease in which Brown grabbed the items from the counter, knocked the store clerk away from the door and then, rather than just walk out with the stolen goods, turned around to intimidate the clerk back into the store goes a long way to explain how the confrontation with police likely went down a few minutes later.
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I'm sure you have some case law that validates this opinion. I look forward to reading your cites.
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Perhaps you're expecting an unrealistic level of thoughtful reflection and wise action from someone who commits strong-arm robbery in full view of multiple security cameras, his face unobscured, in his own neighborhood, in broad daylight, with numerous customers and clerks around.
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Are battery and robbery punishable by death? Is being a "thug"?
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Sure doesn't. Not even remotely the case.
What you've just said isn't even within hailing distance of the truth.
The leftist media certainly works hard to try to convert a few cases into what you envision, through lies, manipulation, and ignoring of important facts... but even if someone were to grant that every case they've claimed is an example of this actually is... that'd still only give us maybe about 3 per year, if that.
Certainly not "every day all over this country."
Don't mistake blacks being shot by police while in the commission of serious crimes and presenting a credible threat to the public and the officers with blacks being executed by police for no reason other than racist whim.
Two very different things. One happens constantly, one essentially never happens. There were probably a couple cases per year of it in the 1900's through 1950's. Maybe.
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Dorian Johnson said Wilson tried to open the door but it only moved about an inch before it hit both him and Michael Brown. He then said Wilson reached out through the window and got his hand around Brown's neck, then tried to pull him into the car. To me, that simply doesn't make any sense and I guess I just don't believe it. Why would a cop just out of the blue try to pull a guy that big into his car through the window? It sounds like a scene from "Bad Lieutenant". I think it is pretty clear Johnson is lying, and something else happened. It would be nice to hear from the cop.
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