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Michael Brown Shooting

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How about the cop backed up to a reasonable distance form his suspects, starts to get out, Suspect #1 slams the door on the cop, (assault?) cop grabs suspect, cop is restrained because suspect is pinching cops leg in door, suspect will not back up to release cop. cop has no choice but fire shot #1 ....

Are the reported bruises on the cop on his leg?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Cases can fly several feet. They could easily fly right out the car door/window.

Heck, the one in the car could have flown in from outside the car.


Now, if there are cases 15 feet away, that's probably very bad news for the cop, barring some big piece of evidence I haven't heard of yet.
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Indeed, points that need to be considered, though one flying back into the vehicle would make Dorian Johnson a very lucky liar or a very astute observer.

There's a reason I went through what was not in dispute throwing all the witness evidence out, there's still indications this isn't going to fit cleanly into any scenario where the officer is blameless.
 
What is really,really, sad is that the whole point of the police reaction during the protests and the militrazation of the police has vanished.
 
Actually:

1. I have no reason to believe the comments attributed to the officer that Mr. Brown looked like a robbery suspect, particularly given the facts about the shooting already appear to contradict what the officer has said about it (location of the body, for example). Also, of course, the officer may never have said this to begin with.

2. Even if the officer was correct about Brown looking like a description of the robbery suspect, the officer has the right to stop and query him (even to arrest him) but he, the officer, has to presume that Mr. Brown is innocent and is so until convicted in a court of law.

3. Even if Mr. Brown was guilty of the robbery (and there is zero evidence of that) then the officer had no right to shoot a fleeing individual. Even a convicted one. The officer only can use deadly force if he believes that his life, or that of another person, is in direct and imminent danger. Even if Ms. Brown wrestled for the gun (and there is some testimony that he did not), once he stopped and ran the officer could not shoot him.

4. I find it interesting that some people are willing to assume certain facts that are at best very weak rumors. I don't know the facts, except Mr. Brown appears to have been quite a distance from the officer when he was shot, that he was shot multiple times, and that he was unarmed. I think most sides agree with these facts. There are some testimonies that he was holding his hands up at the time he was shot, but I am willing to wait to see if that was true, too. But even looking at the agreed on facts, the shooting looks indefensible whatever else might be established. And the subsequent actions by the local police don't enhance my confidence in them.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nager-in-missouri-fbi-launches-investigation/

Belmar, the county police chief ... said on Sunday that a Ferguson police officer “had an encounter” with Brown and another person on Sunday. At some point, the officer was reportedly pushed back in the car and “physically assaulted,” the chief said.

There was a struggle over the officer’s weapon, which was fired once in the car, he said. Following that, the officer got out of the car and shot at the teenager multiple times. Brown was killed about 35 feet away from the officer’s car, Belmar said.

It's an actual statement from the police chief. does that count ?
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Yes it counts but he could be wrong about certain things before the autopsy results.

"Shot at the teenager multiple times..." does not necessarily mean he was hit with every shot. We don't see bloody bullet holes in Brown's back. That isn't conclusive but Brown may have been facing the cop for all bullets that struck. Also that Brown was 35 feet from the cop's car doesn't mean he was shot from 35 feet away - the cop could have also been 35 feet from his car and in a grapple with Brown at that location. Also Brown might have made actions indicating that he might have had a gun.
 
I propose a split ; A different thread on the police reaction to the protests since that clearly is not going to get discussed here.
 
Sure a cop can shoot a fleeing violent suspect.The justification is to protect you and me.

Depending on what happened in the car, (assault on a peace officer) and whether the officer had good cause to believe Brown had just committed a strong arm robbery, it may be open season on Mike Browns.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Wow.

So you're saying that from the officer's perspective it's irrelevant whether the person who he's encountered is a jaywalker or a guy who just robbed a store?

Really?

Wow. :nope:
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It is absolutely irrelevant what Mr. Brown might have done as to if the officer can shoot Mr. Brown or not. The officer's other actions (stopping, arrest, etc.) may depend on what the officer thought Mr. Brown was guilty of or not, but the choice you present is completely irrelevant to the right of an officer to shoot s person. In fact, in many places in the USA, the officer didn't even have a right to lift his gun from the holster.
 
Giordano said:
It is absolutely irrelevant what Mr. Brown might have done as to if the officer can shoot Mr. Brown or not. The officer's other actions (stopping, arrest, etc.) may depend on what the officer thought Mr. Brown was guilty of or not, but the choice you present is completely irrelevant to the right of an officer to shoot s person. In fact, in many places in the USA, the officer didn't even have a right to lift his gun from the holster.
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Kaosium said:
Indeed, points that need to be considered, though one flying back into the vehicle would make Dorian Johnson a very lucky liar or a very astute observer.

There's a reason I went through what was not in dispute throwing all the witness evidence out, there's still indications this isn't going to fit cleanly into any scenario where the officer is blameless.
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It's Johnson's testimony that is likely to be dismissed.

I would hold everything he said in abeyance at this point.
 
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