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Michael Brown Shooting

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Ferguson in 2009

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.
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I won't paste more, but it gets worse.
 
jimbob said:
Ferguson in 2009



I won't paste more, but it gets worse.
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Actually I will:
Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.
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But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion
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It is coming to appeal soon , and I suspect it might be different this time.
 
This is from Mike!'s link. Perhaps Brown was involved in a strong arm robbery, perhaps not. It in no way justifies shooting him down the way witnesses allege Officer Wilson did.

Michael Brown was allegedly involved in a convenience store theft that occurred on August 9th at a nearby convenience store. The dispatch records and video footage of the robbery have been released. The strong arm robbery occurred between 11:53 and 11:54 am, immediately proceeding the teen’s shooting death.
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Mike! said:
BREAKING NEWS:
There's just been a police press conference, they've released the officers name, AND implicated Michael Brown in a strong arm robbery shortly before the shooting.

Closest link available: http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/report-police-to-release-name-of-officer-who-shot-mike-brown-friday/
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Then why was his friend not arrested or questioned about a robbery? In fact, they didn't even want to question his friend about the dead kid lying in the street. And why did Wilson tell them to "get the **** on the sidewalk" if he was actually investigating a robbery?

Oh, wait, they "matched the description". Let me guess, "young black male". I guess it's ok to kill random black kids if there was a robbery somewhere, sometime. I swear, this is hitting all the Zimmerman Greatest Hits. Wait for it, officer Wilson is going to say he was in "fear for his life" as he shot the kid running away from him.
 
OK, assuming that he "fit the description" of the robber, and that is why the cop stopped in the first place.

Don't the eyewitnesses claim that the policeman drove by, yelled at them, and then went on a bit, only to back up when they didn't comply with his demands to get off the road?

If the cop went on, only to come back, it doesn't sound like he was shaking down a robbery suspect.

Maybe he was involved the robbery. However, there is no sign that's what he was hassled for, is there?
 
More details here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-brown-suspect-robbery-ferguson-police-shooting

There's a picture of the person at the liquor store. Whoever this guy is, "robbery" is a pretty poor description of the incident. Some guy grabbed some cigars and then pushed the store owner when he demanded payment.

Notice the actual "robber" looks 50 pounds heavier than Brown and wearing shorts, not the pants that Brown was wearing when he was killed. He also seems to have a goatee in the pictures.
 
I Am The Scum said:
A phrase many blacks in America have heard before.

After all of this they're still trying to defend the murderer. It's like they desperately needed to give the racists in this country a reason to say, "I knew it!"
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I guess my question is, has anyone from the Ferguson PD said before today that the reason Brown was stopped was because he resembled a suspect in a nearby robbery? AFAICT, the narrative up to now has been "he and his friend were walking in the street and were told to get out of it," and the altercation resulted from their refusal to do so, with no implication that the officer wanted to question Brown in connection to a robbery. I'll happily accept correction on this point, some contemporary evidence that the PD said something like this before today, because, even as bad a reason as that would still be for shooting an unarmed man, it would be better than no reason at all.
 
turingtest said:
I guess my question is, has anyone from the Ferguson PD said before today that the reason Brown was stopped was because he resembled a suspect in a nearby robbery? AFAICT, the narrative up to now has been "he and his friend were walking in the street and were told to get out of it," and the altercation resulted from their refusal to do so, with no implication that the officer wanted to question Brown in connection to a robbery. I'll happily accept correction on this point, some contemporary evidence that the PD said something like this before today, because, even as bad a reason as that would still be for shooting an unarmed man, it would be better than no reason at all.
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Apparently, the police just called him the "primary suspect". The incident apparently involved someone shoplifting cigars from a convenience store and then pushing his way out when payment was demanded. The pictures do not look, to me, like Michael Brown.
 
jimbob said:
Trousers vs shorts - and as unabogie says, the shoplifter looks to have had a gotee.

As an aside how large was the employee? Because the shoplifter was significantly larger than him. How large was Brown?
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I think it's clearly Big Mike Brown in the same clothes, but I've been wrong before.

Pull his pants up and you can see they are shorts, not trousers.

Johnson was with the strong arm robber, according to that report.
 
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casebro said:
You can't see that a minority officer involved would put a big dent in the racial overtones of the discussion?
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Nope.

Of course we would still have the Pigs vs the Bros to discuss.
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Would you discuss how police are more likely to target blacks, or would you leave the thread if the cop turns out to be white.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think it's clearly Big Mike Brown in the same clothes, but I've been wrong before. Pull his pants up and you can see they are shorts, not trousers. Johnson was with the strong arm robber, according to that report.
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I agree with you, it looks like Mike Brown in the convenience store shoplifting incident. I don't agree with your implication that this justifies the police officer shooting him and certainly doesn't justify shooting him multiple times. There appears to be physical evidence that supports the witness allegations. This looks like murder to me.

LTC8K6 you haven't said. Are you okay with the police killing an unarmed guy for stealing some cigars? Continuing to shoot him after he's been hit? Because I think can see where you're going with this. The people who AREN'T particularly outraged an unarmed black man was gunned down are going to divert the conversation to vetting the victim. Big Mike Brown. :rolleyes:

What happens next? Is the evidence going to be presented to a Grand Jury with the possibility of indicting the officer for murder? In New York police officers have been indicted on murder charges. The system has shown a willingness, when the evidence warrants it, to charge officers with crimes and seek convictions.

In Missouri is that possible?
 
Well, I think we should discount Johnson's testimony since he also participated in the robbery.

Most likely, they were stopped because they look just like the robbers.

They probably knew they were caught, and didn't want to go to jail.

So then you get the fight with the cop.

We will have to wait for the autopsy to learn whether the shots that killed Brown were fired at close range or from far away.
 
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