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Michael Brown Shooting

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Mister Earl said:
If he's been wrong a few times, does that automatically discount all the times he was right and did some good? Would he have to be absolutely perfect with zero mistakes in order to get credit for any good he's done?
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What's especially amusing is that he's defended, among others, Steve Utash, Jewish people being attacked in NYC, pretty much any child killed in a school Shooting, for example the Sandy Hook memorial service, which he spoke at.

Sharpton's participation always depends on two things

1) if he's invited,

2) If he's going to protest, is there something to protest about.

It's a pretty standard formula - it's why people protested for Trayvon Martin, but not for Jordan Davis. Davis' killer was arrested and charged quickly, while Sanford PD basically just covered for Zimmerman. In Brown's case, people like Sharpton initially became involved because the PD seemed to be covering for his killer - and then things *really* picked up when the local police turned out to be a bunch of violent thugs.
 
casebro said:
Try wiki-ing Sharpton. They have a pretty good list. Like the record store, owned a by a black church, who wanted to evict a black tenant. Sharpton gets involved, calls the new tenant "a white interloper" and one of his believers dumps gasoline into the store, and goes out in a blaze of glory. Taking 7 black employees with him. Your buddy Al apologized for the interloper remark.

I didn't get down to the black whore Tawana with the false rape allegations against the frat boys. Charges dropped. But she's currently in prison for murder.

Bernard Goetz, shot four muggers. Al screams racism, like four black men can't possible be muggers. State court and Fed court both held Goetz acted in self defense.

If you think Al is the black race's Knight in Shining armor, you don't know about Al.
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"My buddy"?:rolleyes:

How many years ago was Tawana Brawley? (Hint it was 1987) And a "white interloper" comment from 1995? That's all you got? :rolleyes:

And you bring up vigilante Goetz? Really? I'm in favor of the benefit of a doubt when it comes to a conviction, but the Goetz case wasn't as clear cut as you make it sound.

Sharpton's an advocate for a group of people. So what?
 
Meanwhile, the right wing is as disgusting as you'd guess they'd be.
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I don't think too many people pay attention to such postings. Well, maybe people who already made up their mind about Brown and relish such pics as validation. The people "delighting" in such pics have already swung that way, imo.
 
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So, what would happen in Ferguson if the reports show that Brown had a gun?

Obviously such reports would not be believed.

I'm guessing that rioting reaches a new level.

EDIT: I should modify that to just exonerating the officer, for whatever reason.
 
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rwguinn said:
All this, and not many words about the looting and violence that prompted a part of the over-reaction by the police...

These have not actually been very "peaceful" protests. Plenty of blame to go around.

And for all you who are pissed that the officer's name has not been released--how long do you think his home and property would remain undamaged were they to release it under the current environment?
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Compared to the last LA riot, the Watts and Detroit riots, the damage in Ferguson is pretty mild.

As for the officer's name, the name Darren Wilson was floated and the chief hesitated denying it. I don't think that's the guy but I found this:

Black officers call for changes to ease racial tension in St. Louis police
About 30 members of the Ethical Society of Police packed the organization’s office for the special meeting convened to call black commanders to action in the wake of a racist letter sent to a black police officer, presumably by another officer in South Patrol.

The group’s president, Sgt. Darren Wilson, said last week that the racist note was symptomatic of a larger, citywide problem. About a third of the 1,325-member police force is African-American; the city it serves is almost equally divided between black and white residents.

“If you’re treating a police department employee like this, how are we treating our citizens?” Wilson asked.
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That was interesting. It's from last year.
 
rwguinn said:
All this, and not many words about the looting and violence that prompted a part of the over-reaction by the police...

These have not actually been very "peaceful" protests. Plenty of blame to go around.
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No, it's become transparently obvious that this was because the police took the vast majority of the blame, because they were behaving like Ban'e mob from the last Batman film.

And here's the Storify that spells it out pretty clearly. Thursday opened with streets covered by tear gas, people showing off wounds from rubber bullets, and protesting demanding that nonviolent protesters be freed - and closes with people celebrating, cops and protesters marching together, and a woman hugging the new Captain and yelling "You rock, you rock!"
 
Mumbles said:
No, it's become transparently obvious that this was because the police took the vast majority of the blame, because they were behaving like Ban'e mob from the last Batman film.

And here's the Storify that spells it out pretty clearly. Thursday opened with streets covered by tear gas, people showing off wounds from rubber bullets, and protesting demanding that nonviolent protesters be freed - and closes with people celebrating, cops and protesters marching together, and a woman hugging the new Captain and yelling "You rock, you rock!"
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It's truly a sight to behold. A woman was close to tears telling the new chief "thank you for coming here". Wow, you mean all it takes is to treat people like human beings and they'll react like you're one too?

UNPOSSIBLE!
 
LTC8K6 said:
So, what would happen in Ferguson if the reports show that Brown had a gun?

Obviously such reports would not be believed.

I'm guessing that rioting reaches a new level.

EDIT: I should modify that to just exonerating the officer, for whatever reason.
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What is with making all this stuff up? You and casebro both.

No one has suggested this, not the chief, not any witnesses, and no weapon was at the scene except the officer's.

As for the police report I linked to, I just thought it an interesting finding. I did not say, nor intend to say, it was related. But county or city, these are connected neighborhoods.

There are three witnesses now, Piaget Crenshaw, Tiffany Mitchell and the friend with the dead kid. All three are telling the same story, with very credible testimony, no evidence they are making anything up.

Sure, the friend is going to have seen things from a biased POV. But the newest witness, Mitchell, isn't a friend and doesn't live in the neighborhood. She was picking up her employee who lives in the neighborhood. She arrived when the struggle was going on at the vehicle. She was very close, she got out of her car.

She said the same thing as the two other eye witnesses. A shot was fired while the officer was in the car, Brown ran, another shot was fired, he turned around with his hands up and the officer kept shooting, several more shots.

If the autopsy corroborates these three witnesses, are you still going to make up scenarios exonerating this cop?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What is with making all this stuff up? You and casebro both.

No one has suggested this, not the chief, not any witnesses, and no weapon was at the scene except the officer's.

As for the police report I linked to, I just thought it an interesting finding. I did not say, nor intend to say, it was related. But county or city, these are connected neighborhoods.

There are three witnesses now, Piaget Crenshaw, Tiffany Mitchell and the friend with the dead kid. All three are telling the same story, with very credible testimony, no evidence they are making anything up.

Sure, the friend is going to have seen things from a biased POV. But the newest witness, Mitchell, isn't a friend and doesn't live in the neighborhood. She was picking up her employee who lives in the neighborhood. She arrived when the struggle was going on at the vehicle. She was very close, she got out of her car.

She said the same thing as the two other eye witnesses. A shot was fired while the officer was in the car, Brown ran, another shot was fired, he turned around with his hands up and the officer kept shooting, several more shots.

If the autopsy corroborates these three witnesses, are you still going to make up scenarios exonerating this cop?
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Why can't we speculate about what might have happened or what will happen? Why do I get attacked for "making stuff up" when I'm clearly speculating?

Did I miss an official report describing what happened?
 
Upchurch said:
Also, two reporters were arrested in a McDonalds for ...typing in a threatening way?
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Unfortunately, I don't have any links on me, but from what I remember reading the police ordered all the customers to leave, the reporters received conflicting orders about which exit to leave through, and were arrested either for going for the wrong exit or not leaving quickly enough. Also, at least one reporter was filming the police and a cop asked him to stop, so that might have factored into it.

Checkmite said:
I suspect they've interviewed lots of people, and so have the media; but in a case like this there will be a lot of bogus "witnesses", and details like the actual number of bullets fired or the actual locations of the gunshot wounds on Brown's body, etc., can provide a useful "key" for screening out some of the fake witness statements. Making those details publicly available will allow fakers to more closely align their testimony with them, making it more credible. [emphasis added]
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Not just fakers. Memory is a reconstructive process, not at all like playing back a video, and a witness who hears information about what they saw can have their reconstructions influenced by what they hear.
 
I just re-read Johnson's first interview, linked in the OP.

One question- what ethnicity is the officer?

And Johnson's story doesn't seem to account for the officer having bruises when checked by the medicos. I wonder if Johnson sort of forgot some details?

And where were the witnesses, could they see into the car, whether Brown was grappling at the officer too? Or did they see Browns hands on the outside, trying to keep from getting pulled in? Browns hand prints on the car?

And did the witnesses have time to collude? In a neighbor hood where I bet the cops are used to 'nobody saw nutin', why did a couple somebodies saw anything this time? And Johnson went on home, and didn't talk to the cops for days. I'm not sure of the time line before his first interview. I wonder what his cell phone records show? A call to the Rev. Al?

I wonder if we'll ever find out.
 
According to CNN's front page, police are going to reveal the name of the officer today (Friday). The linked story apparently hasn't been updated yet.

Police plan to reveal officer's name

Chief: Group named wrong man

Police in Ferguson plan to release Friday the name of the officer who shot Michael Brown, a source told CNN's Julian Cummings.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Apparently, yes. The police chief presented the officer's account: No 'suspect might have had a weapon'.
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But I edited the post to remove the weapon, and the edit is in your quote, so you saw it...

To me, a conversation with the media before the reports are finished wouldn't really qualify as an official report on the incident.
 
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