Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.
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KATY: Much to inmate's chagrin, he had to dip into his mother's trust to pay for Gordon's enormous fee. His only other option was to select a pro bono attorney from a list created by Judge Fox. He met with two lawyers from that list and neither could work with him because inmate is a control freak.
Gordie has told the media that he will appeal to the 4th Circuit Court, so I would assume that his mother's trust still has ample money in it. Considering that Kathryn lost her home and her drama school, the lone focus of that money is to pay for lawyers.
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KATY: Much to inmate's chagrin, he had to dip into his mother's trust to pay for Gordon's enormous fee. His only other option was to select a pro bono attorney from a list created by Judge Fox. He met with two lawyers from that list and neither could work with him because inmate is a control freak.
Gordie has told the media that he will appeal to the 4th Circuit Court, so I would assume that his mother's trust still has ample money in it. Considering that Kathryn lost her home and her drama school, the lone focus of that money is to pay for lawyers.
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First I want to say YIPPEE!
Okay, now that is out of my system, I think Judge Fox's decision is great! I am still reading it, but wow I don't think he's missed a single item!
JTF - I do think SMQ, Morris, Silverglate, etal CAN and probably WILL continue to ignore documented fact. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees and after Morris talked to you and others and STILL put WOE out there????? Yes, delusional they are and somehow I think they will continue to be......
KATY - the MacDonald Family trust still had two houses in California I believe - no doubt inmate will come up with more money to continue the fight because he is too much of a coward to admit what he did.....
a little birdie told me that SMQ had filed some sort of documentation with the courts to prevent her losing her townhouse......
Okay, now that is out of my system, I think Judge Fox's decision is great! I am still reading it, but wow I don't think he's missed a single item!
JTF - I do think SMQ, Morris, Silverglate, etal CAN and probably WILL continue to ignore documented fact. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees and after Morris talked to you and others and STILL put WOE out there????? Yes, delusional they are and somehow I think they will continue to be......
KATY - the MacDonald Family trust still had two houses in California I believe - no doubt inmate will come up with more money to continue the fight because he is too much of a coward to admit what he did.....
a little birdie told me that SMQ had filed some sort of documentation with the courts to prevent her losing her townhouse......
Read Judge Fox's decision. It really squashes MacDonald's chances of any sort of legal relief. However since MacDonald is almost certainly guilty as sin that is no tragedy. I wonder just what Morris' and other MacDonald groupies responses to the decision are? I somehow doubt that they will reconsider their champing of MacDonald.
Decisions, Decisions
As expected, MacDonald attorney Gordon Widenhouse told the media that there are several issues ripe for appeal to the 4th Circuit Court. Not only is Gordie grandiose, he is grasping at straws. Examples...
- Appeal on constitutional grounds? Nope.
- Appeal on the merits of the Britt and DNA claims? Nope.
- Appeal on the evidence as a whole? Nope.
- Appeal on gatekeeping issues? Nope.
Gordie, you lost, big time. Deal with it.
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As expected, MacDonald attorney Gordon Widenhouse told the media that there are several issues ripe for appeal to the 4th Circuit Court. Not only is Gordie grandiose, he is grasping at straws. Examples...
- Appeal on constitutional grounds? Nope.
- Appeal on the merits of the Britt and DNA claims? Nope.
- Appeal on the evidence as a whole? Nope.
- Appeal on gatekeeping issues? Nope.
Gordie, you lost, big time. Deal with it.
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Henri McPhee
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That's corrupt bias by Judge Fox. It was disgraceful treatment of Dr. MacDonald by Judge Fox who should have acted honourably. Judge Fox is like these fascist beast Egyptian judges. Allen Patrick Mazerolle and his accomplices should have been given a severe interrogation by the lazy and incompetent American police. The same applies in the past to Greg Mitchell and Helena Stoeckley instead of the CIA just bumping them off in order to cover up their drug smuggling crimes.
It's like this Israel lobby just seems to spend money like a drunken sailor supporting Jewish Hitlers. Americans don't seem to know there is a war on and if they do they don't understand it. None of them seem to know where Ukraine is on the map. That seems to be the fault of the far right media who only seem to be interested in celebrity gossip and football. The women seem to suffer from the same want of jugment as the men. They only understand straight lines.
It's like this Israel lobby just seems to spend money like a drunken sailor supporting Jewish Hitlers. Americans don't seem to know there is a war on and if they do they don't understand it. None of them seem to know where Ukraine is on the map. That seems to be the fault of the far right media who only seem to be interested in celebrity gossip and football. The women seem to suffer from the same want of jugment as the men. They only understand straight lines.
Such frothing at the mouth. Do you have anything constructive or germane to say aside from ranting about the CIA bumping off people and similar nonsense.
Judge Fox gave the most reasonable decision given the evidence he was presented with. One can fantasize endless conspiracy theories and ascribe evil motives to the Judge et al. The bottom line is that Judge Fox found Britt's affidavit's unbelievable and likely fraudulent and so of course dismissed that evidence. Britt quite simply had no credibility and his story was a concoction.
As for Stoeckley and Mitchell the Judge quite reasonably found they had no credibility given that they, especially Stoeckely claimed to be present at murders, could not remember the events of that night and denied she was there. Over and over again. She was also a serious drug user and was "out of it" an awful lot. The Judge properly said that given the sort of Witnesses that Stoekley and Mitchell were, severe chronic drug users and mentally unbalanced, such "confessions" to third parties etc., have no credibility whatsoever. The fact that zero evidence was found of their presence at the murder scene is of course also indicative that they weren't there.
Then there was the unsourced hairs, which the Judge quite properly dismissed has not being proof of much of anything given that they could not be sourced to anyone at all. Further at least one of the hairs that could be sourced, in fact one claimed by the defence for years to be from the killer, was indeed sourced - to Jeffrey MacDonald!
All the efforts of MacDonald's Legal team only managed to come up with a tiny ant hill of "evidence" to dispute the huge mass of evidence indicating Jeffrey MacDonald's guilt. That same evidence indicates clearly and convincingly that Jeffrey MacDonald's story of what happened that night was and still is a lying concoction. If anything the "new" evidence, especially the DNA results, have reinforced the verdict that Jeffrey MacDonald was and is guilty.
Jeffrey MacDonald is like Charles Manson and like him is where he should be.
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Oh, dear...poor Henri. Judge Fox's decision must still have you in tears. Well, the rest of us are thrilled, and I wouldn't be surprised if you can hear the champagne corks popping all the way over there in Brit land.
Henri, this board is for discussing the Jeffrey MacDonald case, not for discussing drunken sailors, Jewish Hitlers, or the Ukraine (unless you're saying that at one time, a drunken, anti-semitic MacDonald lied to Colette about going on a fake boxing trip to the Ukraine...). Being the creep that MacDonald is, that wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Henri, this board is for discussing the Jeffrey MacDonald case, not for discussing drunken sailors, Jewish Hitlers, or the Ukraine (unless you're saying that at one time, a drunken, anti-semitic MacDonald lied to Colette about going on a fake boxing trip to the Ukraine...). Being the creep that MacDonald is, that wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Ampulla of Vater
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It seems there is not much evidence or substance remaining to post about. Posts such as this appear to be a sign of sheer desperation.
FIRST, inmate is NOT ENTITLED to the honorific you insist on using and you have been told this FACT ad nauseum.
SECOND, Judge Fox acted honorably, in an unbiased manner, and he considered ALL the evidence. The evidence as a whole proved AGAIN that inmate was guilty as convicted.
idiotic nonsense so no response
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Helena and Greg were thoroughly investigated. Not a shred of evidence that either was involved has EVER been found because they didn't do it. INMATE slaughtered his family. period.
Helena died of pneumonia as a complication of sirrohsis{spelling?} of the liver and Greg Mitchell died due to drug and alcohol abuse too.
these are FACTS.
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Henri McPhee
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Detective Beasley saw Mazerolle out of jail on the day of the MacDonald murders and Mazerolle was supposed to have attended court on the day after the MacDonald murders which he never did. That should have aroused suspicion in any astute detective. Instead he just want on the run until he was caught inside prison on a burglary charge many months later. Mazerolle was then never given a severe interrogation about the MacDonald murders. It's just legal trickery. Just like the hair in the hand and all the rest of the forensic fraud in the MacDonald case.
Judge Fox had never read the April 1970 CID interview with Dr. MacDonald until recently and yet he was supposed to have been in charge of the case for twenty years. The MacDonald case needs an extremely competent judge.
The point is that the legal result is not necessarily what is moral, or fair and just. Dr. MacDonald has put up a strong fight but the American public and media are too stupid to make a right judgment. Dr. MacDonald should have been paid compensation in the same way as Israel should pay reparations and the Ukrainian army should be smashed up. They are only interested in house prices.
Judge Fox had never read the April 1970 CID interview with Dr. MacDonald until recently and yet he was supposed to have been in charge of the case for twenty years. The MacDonald case needs an extremely competent judge.
The point is that the legal result is not necessarily what is moral, or fair and just. Dr. MacDonald has put up a strong fight but the American public and media are too stupid to make a right judgment. Dr. MacDonald should have been paid compensation in the same way as Israel should pay reparations and the Ukrainian army should be smashed up. They are only interested in house prices.
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Do I detect sour grapes here, Henri? The fact is that no matter how much you trash talk Americans, the CID, Judge Fox, etc., it's not going to get your golden boy out of prison. And to be frank, Henri, it's childish. The name calling makes you look foolish and immature.
Jeffrey MacDonald is in prison - and will die in prison - because, without a doubt, he murdered Colette, Kim, and Kristy (and his unborn son). I've read previous posts, and you've been harping on the Mazerolle stuff for years. Give it a rest, Henri. Records show he was in jail the night of the murders. End of story.
And again, I ask you: What do Israel and the Ukraine have to do with the MacDonald case? Nothing. Your political rantings are a bore, Henri, and don't belong on this message board.
Jeffrey MacDonald is in prison - and will die in prison - because, without a doubt, he murdered Colette, Kim, and Kristy (and his unborn son). I've read previous posts, and you've been harping on the Mazerolle stuff for years. Give it a rest, Henri. Records show he was in jail the night of the murders. End of story.
And again, I ask you: What do Israel and the Ukraine have to do with the MacDonald case? Nothing. Your political rantings are a bore, Henri, and don't belong on this message board.
The documents conclusively show Mazerolle was in jail the night of the murders. What Beasley saw or was alleged to have saw is irrelevant. You can fantasize about Mazerolle not being given a "severe" interrogation. Once it was determined he was in prison that night him as a suspect was moot.
Of course like the typical MacDonald groupie you dismiss the physical evidence. Well the fact is the physical evidence, for example the distribution of blood and the fact that each of the members of the MacDonald household had a different blood type that MacDonald's version of events is a crock. you can shriek fraud all you like but the only fraud the evidence shows is that MacDonald's story is a fraud.
As for the hair in the hand. For many, many yeas MacDonald and his supporters said that the hair in Collette's hand was that of the killer. Of course when DNA analysis was done it was revealed that the hair was in fact from MacDonald. So now of course the MacDonald groupies are saying it is a fraud.
That is an assumption on your part that the Judge had not read the CID interview. The Judge asking for a copy of the CID interview only proves he asked for a copy and nothing more. Your reaching here. Judge Fox's competence is amply indicated by his decision in which he utterly lays bare that the late Britt's testimony is false and probably a collection of lies. As for Helena's and Michell's "confessions" - the Judge after reviewing the ample evidence concluded quite properly that they were valueless as evidence. And of course so are the unsourced hairs.
Sadly for MacDonald the evidence shows he is guilty and the various Judges involved in the case have been little impressed by MacDonald and his legal tricks. Sadly contrary to your statement many in the media have indeed fallen for the MacDonald as innocent victim trope. Sadly for MacDonald the Judges involved are not similarily wedded to a false trope. MacDonald is a murderer and of course not entitled to any compensation. What he is "entitled" too is spending the rest of his life in prison.
The End Of The Road
For the most part, the media fawned over the claims leveled by the defense in the first few days of the 2012 evidentiary hearing and the content in WOE. They couldn't resist the hook of Jeffrey MacDonald, Tortured Innocent. Once the government began to present their boring facts, the reporters and camera dispersed like a group of locusts.
Before leaving the reality of the government's factual presentation, the media and Errol Morris admitted that this was MacDonald's last LEGITIMATE shot at a new trial. Morris even predicted that Judge Fox would not rule in MacDonald's favor. Anyone with a working cerebral cortex realizes that there are no Jimmy Britt's left to save the day. No extraneous hairs that will match the DNA profile of Stoeckley or Mitchell.
Judge Fox has ruled on gatekeeping issues, merits, constitutional claims, and the evidence as a whole. What does Gordie have left? I guess he can take the Innocence Protection Act route and/or fight for Touch DNA testing after Judge Fox denies their motion for additional DNA testing.
The cold, hard truth is that the 4th Circuit provided Judge Fox with a roadmap and he followed it to a tee. One could argue that he expanded upon that roadmap, so I doubt that the 4th Circuit will again take MacDonald to their bosom. One of the most notorious murderers of the 20th Century will spend the rest of his life in prison.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
For the most part, the media fawned over the claims leveled by the defense in the first few days of the 2012 evidentiary hearing and the content in WOE. They couldn't resist the hook of Jeffrey MacDonald, Tortured Innocent. Once the government began to present their boring facts, the reporters and camera dispersed like a group of locusts.
Before leaving the reality of the government's factual presentation, the media and Errol Morris admitted that this was MacDonald's last LEGITIMATE shot at a new trial. Morris even predicted that Judge Fox would not rule in MacDonald's favor. Anyone with a working cerebral cortex realizes that there are no Jimmy Britt's left to save the day. No extraneous hairs that will match the DNA profile of Stoeckley or Mitchell.
Judge Fox has ruled on gatekeeping issues, merits, constitutional claims, and the evidence as a whole. What does Gordie have left? I guess he can take the Innocence Protection Act route and/or fight for Touch DNA testing after Judge Fox denies their motion for additional DNA testing.
The cold, hard truth is that the 4th Circuit provided Judge Fox with a roadmap and he followed it to a tee. One could argue that he expanded upon that roadmap, so I doubt that the 4th Circuit will again take MacDonald to their bosom. One of the most notorious murderers of the 20th Century will spend the rest of his life in prison.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
Henri McPhee
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That piece of paper that said Mazerolle was in jail was just a sort of Neville Chamberlain piece of paper in order to give Mazerolle an alibi. Mazerolle's pal Rizzo was definitely out on bail after being arrested at the same time as Mazerolle. It was a fraud, like happens in Formula1 car racing. It's like that American geezer John Boulton accusing Chamberlain of appeasement. With what? Aggressive warfare is illegal.
The little viper Murtagh then arranged for the hair in Colette's hand to be described as a MacDonald hair in 2006 which it had never been before 2006. He never presented the chain of custody of that hair, as he had promised to the MacDonald defense lawyers with video evidence, and then he went on to wrongly prosecute a Libyan in the Lockerbie case.
There were competent and just judges in the Supreme Court on the MacDonald case in about 1980. There was Justice Marshall, with whom Justice Brennan and Justice Blackman join, dissenting.
The little viper Murtagh then arranged for the hair in Colette's hand to be described as a MacDonald hair in 2006 which it had never been before 2006. He never presented the chain of custody of that hair, as he had promised to the MacDonald defense lawyers with video evidence, and then he went on to wrongly prosecute a Libyan in the Lockerbie case.
There were competent and just judges in the Supreme Court on the MacDonald case in about 1980. There was Justice Marshall, with whom Justice Brennan and Justice Blackman join, dissenting.
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Murtagh Schools Bost
The late Fred Bost was co-author of Fatal Justice and a loyal MacDonald advocate. Not surprisingly, there is no mention in FJ of Bost's testimony at the 1984 evidentiary hearing. The following is an excerpt of Bost on cross.
BOST: When it was brought to me, it was brought to me--Thomas Rizzo and Mazerolle had been arrested together. Rizzo's packet was brought to me first. I copied that out into my notebook. When Mazerolle's packet was brought to me, I copied it out and I did not copy it when he was released on bail. I did get down the bonding company. In my mind, I had the felling or had made the assumption--which was a poor thing to do for a reporter; I admit--but having read Rizzo's packet, in my mind they had both been bailed out at the same time and I caught just the bonding company.
MURTAGH: And that's what you told Mr. Gunderson?
BOST: That's what I told Mr. Gunderson, that's correct.
MURTAGH: And that's what's in his report?
BOST: In his report, he has that he was bonded out, but he has here that Mazerolle was not in custody at the time of the murders. He apparently was basing this on my assumption that Mazerolle was not involved in--was not in custody at the time of the murders, yes.
Ah, Bost and Gunderson. Two confused peas in a disjointed pod. You could combine their investigative skills and not have one Peter Kearns. This is the kind of stuff that Henriboy relies on to weave his conspiracy narrative.
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The late Fred Bost was co-author of Fatal Justice and a loyal MacDonald advocate. Not surprisingly, there is no mention in FJ of Bost's testimony at the 1984 evidentiary hearing. The following is an excerpt of Bost on cross.
BOST: When it was brought to me, it was brought to me--Thomas Rizzo and Mazerolle had been arrested together. Rizzo's packet was brought to me first. I copied that out into my notebook. When Mazerolle's packet was brought to me, I copied it out and I did not copy it when he was released on bail. I did get down the bonding company. In my mind, I had the felling or had made the assumption--which was a poor thing to do for a reporter; I admit--but having read Rizzo's packet, in my mind they had both been bailed out at the same time and I caught just the bonding company.
MURTAGH: And that's what you told Mr. Gunderson?
BOST: That's what I told Mr. Gunderson, that's correct.
MURTAGH: And that's what's in his report?
BOST: In his report, he has that he was bonded out, but he has here that Mazerolle was not in custody at the time of the murders. He apparently was basing this on my assumption that Mazerolle was not involved in--was not in custody at the time of the murders, yes.
Ah, Bost and Gunderson. Two confused peas in a disjointed pod. You could combine their investigative skills and not have one Peter Kearns. This is the kind of stuff that Henriboy relies on to weave his conspiracy narrative.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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Godwinning - how trite. And of course you have zero evidence that the piece of paper is false. Aside from frothing at the mouth there is zero of substance in this word salad. Crying "conspiracy!, conspiracy" is no substitute for rational analysis.
Lockerbie like Munich, Hitler etc., is little more than throw dust in eyes polemical rhetoric designed to hide the fact you have no evidence for your wild claims. I note you utterly avoid the fact that the hair found in Colette's hand was proved by DNA analysis to be from Jeffrey MacDonald.
Fortunately the other Justices of the Supreme Court were less willing to let someone get away with murder. I note that you ignore that the dissenting justices built their dissent on the delay and other procedural issues involved in the MacDonald case and not on any belief that he was innocent. I also note that the case has gone to the Supreme Court on other occasions and the Court has been of zero benefit to MacDonald.
So in the basis for the idea that Mazerolle was free on the night of the murders is the assumption that since the person who was arrested with him was free on bail that night Mazerolle is assumed to have been freed at the same time?! That is pathetic. The fact Bost didn't bother to check, which he could easily have done to confirm or disconfirm this assumption is just damn sloppy investigation.
Finally how two experienced investigators who, I would think, know that bail for one person would no necessarily mean bail for another person arrested at the same time would make this assumption is puzzling. Arranging bail can be a difficult thing and is awarded to individuals not to groups; so X might have a more difficulty arranging bail than Y.
Frankly I am a bit baffled.
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