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Future of the Forum

I remember when a forum that I loved suddenly shut down with no warning. I tracked down two members from the forum and only one was a friend. Never got in contact with any of the friends I made there after that.
Never found a place like it since then.
So I'm happy this forum isn't going, even if there's going to be a changing of hands and name it'll still be here.
I'm a member of a few other skeptical forums, and I post there about as often as I do here, but a number of the friends I've made in the skeptical community are here.
 
You're from the north, right.

Whom. Whom I loathe.

Well ...
apart from the fact that it's not my first language
&
I didnt want to sound pompous

My usage is probably correct ?

ETA Hadn't spotted you were a mod when I replied (see below) :footinmou
 
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Well ...
apart from the fact that it's not my first language
&
I didnt want to sound pompous

My usage is probably correct ?
But your question mark is questionable.

Sorry, I'm just doing my best to be loathed. :)
 
I've just managed to log in for the first time in 3 days. Every other time resulted in a failure supposedly due to having used up my attempts. I've cleared history, cookies, temp files, reloaded multiple times, same result. I'm now using IE instead of Chrome and managed to log in. Not sure what's going on with that, but it's an issue I've never had before.

I've had the same problem with FireFox. I logged in from IE OK. I don't know what's going on either.
 
I've had the same problem with FireFox. I logged in from IE OK. I don't know what's going on either.

The proxy/firewall that was causing the weird problems has been turned off.

On the down side, the intermittent lag problems may came back as a result.
 
If people are wanting to find a new forum after this, check out the skeptics guide to the universe forum or rational skepticism. RS has a lot of members from the Dawkin's forum.
 
These news... unsettle me. This forum means a terrible lot to me. I was barely 18, a broken and lonesome man when I found it. Suddenly I had a place with so many thoughtful and intelligent people, so much to learn, and a purpose of sorts. I found new friends, new communities, a new culture, a new language, new ways of thinking, new perspective. I shudder to think what might have become of me without this to hang on to, refer to, fall back on.

I have grown enough to more than stand on my own whatever I face, but this forum made me and I will not see it undone. Not without exhausting all the options.

We're at a crossroads now, and if we want to preserve this community, we must display great prudence. Who decides what, how disputes are settled, funding, direction... all of these things will mighty ripple in the fate of this place.

I wish there were more I could do for now. I suppose little more than melodramatic musings escapes me. But to all of those with the technical skills to keep it going, thank you. To all who ask the difficult questions, thank you. To everyone who puts in work to salvage this home... Thank you so much.
Nominated.
 
If people are wanting to find a new forum after this, check out the skeptics guide to the universe forum or rational skepticism. RS has a lot of members from the Dawkin's forum.
I'm sure they are fine forums, but I would ask members not to jump ship until things are settled, one way or another, over here. When it becomes necessary, I will be investigating those.
 
The proxy/firewall that was causing the weird problems has been turned off.

On the down side, the intermittent lag problems may came back as a result.

Thanks for the info. I searched "JREF form" from FireFox and then logged in OK.
 
I have no qualms about keeping my user account and continuing to participate on the forum.

The forum is the way it is because of it's members, not because of what entity paid the bills.
This is worth repeating. It's the community that makes this forum what it is, not the funding body. Some of us may have come here following Randi's name, but that's not the reason we stayed.
 
As most political forum discussions here degrade into name calling I do not care if it folds. What I only use it for now is to post the most jejune quotes from here on other forums.
 
I've started a separate thread in Community for more specific, focused discussion on what to do next in regards to the forum; people might wanna' go there to discuss it, but am posting a copy here too:
A veritable ****-storm of controversy has been stirred up by the recent revelation that the JREF is planning to disassociate itself from the forums. Meaning that either they are shut down entirely, or they must be taken over by someone else.

While not a decision that I'd personally disagree with, I can understand the JREF's reasons for doing so. It's a fact that they've had to deal with various lawsuits originating directly from discussions in these forums...and whether those lawsuits were valid or not (so far as I'm aware, nobody ever won such a lawsuit), it created unwanted problems and distractions for the JREF. That alone could be adequate reason to seek to drop the forums. They cannot adequately control what people on the forums may say or do, but by being an official part of the JREF, it opens them up to potential litigation over things said by people who have nothing to do with the JREF.

Many people are, understandably, upset about this. Lisa Simpson, who I'd generally consider one of the more level-headed members, is so upset that she's talked about leaving altogether; she feels it is a betrayal from the JREF, after she's volunteered to help with the forums for a decade or more. And I'm sure she's not alone in that sense of betrayal.

But I'd like to propose an alternative perspective. The vast majority of members here have participated because of the community...not because of the JREF. In fact, for the past several years, the JREF has had almost zero involvement in the forums, it's effectively been run by us, the members, anyway. So it's not so much that the JREF is abandoning us now -- they abandoned us several years ago. They've just taken this long to get around to formalizing that decision.

Yet during this time, the forum has continued to run just fine, with almost zero involvement or support from the JREF.

Right now, there are really only two options. Option one is shut down the forum entirely, and lose this community. Some people would keep in touch, through social media, email, or other websites...but truth is, the community we've built would be lost.

More than that, a huge treasure trove of information would be lost. And that, to me, would be the greatest tragedy of shutting down these forums. There is so much information here that has been accumulated over the years. I'd really hate to see that lost.

Option two is to find someone else to take charge of the forums. Jeff Wagg has been proposed as the new 'overlord', and personally, I think that'd be a great choice. He's got the experience, he previously oversaw the running of the forums when he worked with the JREF, and he has a legal organization that the forums can be attached to. In fact, I think the forums were better under his guidance than they've become since.

Now is not the time for decisions based on emotion. Feeling hurt, abandoned, betrayed, angry...those are all legitimate feelings. But they should not be the foundation for making decisions about what happens next with these forums. This is a forum dedicated to the idea of rational thinking -- so let's do our best to be rational.

And in some ways, we could see this as an opportunity. There are some aspects of this forum that people have long disagreed with, but couldn't change because of the JREF's control. The censoring of particular words (like bull-feces) would be a good example. I'd also like to visit the possibility of pardoning some banned members (Dr. Adequate would be one of my first choices, if he were willing to return).

We could use this as an opportunity to re-shape the forums in the way that we, the members, think is best. Certainly, we'll never have 100% agreement about what form that should be; and certainly, we'll lose people along the way.

What it comes down to in the end is this -- the JREF has abandoned the forums. Are we going to abandon them, too?

I say no.

In fact, I say that we take the forums for ourselves, we make them better...and we demonstrate to the JREF what a stupid mistake they made when they decided that the forums had no value to them.
 
I have no technical abilities but I will donate and do anything else that is needed with reorganizing.

Everyone keeps mentioning Jeff Wagg but he has not come here and posted about it. Icerat is here among us, actively being a part of us. I for one like the idea of someone who we "know" and see once in a while.
 
I have no technical abilities but I will donate and do anything else that is needed with reorganizing.

Everyone keeps mentioning Jeff Wagg but he has not come here and posted about it. Icerat is here among us, actively being a part of us. I for one like the idea of someone who we "know" and see once in a while.
I believe that what's being discussed is a kind of cooperative arrangement...Jeff Wagg takes over 'ownership' of the forum, and is in charge of it from a legal perspective; while icerat would be responsible for technical details of actually migrating the site to its new location.

Icerat's also offered to assume the costs of doing so, but I don't see why that should be necessary....I think we should be able to get enough financial support from the membership to cover most or all of that.
 
Personally, I think this is a huge mistake for the JREF, but its disdain for this forum has been glaringly evident for some time.

JREF will lose a very active part of its community when this is done, because people's attention will be directed elsewhere.

What's more, this is not the first time that "get rid of it" has been floated. Somebody, somewhere in the JREF does not like the idea of a forum, and has been working on this for some years now.
 
I have no technical abilities but I will donate and do anything else that is needed with reorganizing.

Everyone keeps mentioning Jeff Wagg but he has not come here and posted about it. Icerat is here among us, actively being a part of us. I for one like the idea of someone who we "know" and see once in a while.


Although Jeff's direct participation in the forum has waned over the past several years, his long-standing contributions to both the forum and to the JREF, itself, are well-established. Those of us who know Jeff also know what a positive influence he'd have heading the forum.

I don't think you will find anyone seriously expressing anything to the contrary. He's a damn good choice.
 
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I'm sure they are fine forums, but I would ask members not to jump ship until things are settled, one way or another, over here. When it becomes necessary, I will be investigating those.

Well we're certainly not waiting for you, rat's leaving a sinking ship and all that.
 
Just one thing before I call it a night, I think it's important for everyone to note that JREF has agreed to financially support the migration to a new server and operations for 6 months.

They're not just abandoning the site without assistance and they're helping keep it alive, I didn't ask for that contribution, they offered it.
 

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