The Metaphysical Consciousness

doronshadmi said:
Try it, maybe there is a chance that you learn new things about the different sizes of wheels and their abilities to move weights.
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Do you ride a bicycle with a multi-speed gear train?

Have you ever pulled a buket from a well using a rope wound around an axle?

Have you ever used a wrench?

Divest yourself of your dependence on woo!; maybe there is a chance you will learn true things about physical reality.
 
doronshadmi said:
Since we are talking about two properties (stability and instability) of the same thing, they must taken with respect to each other.
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...which is not only not true of (for instance) a shovel (have you ever used a shovel?), but is not what you said, or implied, before.

How...odd...that "higher consciousness" looks so opportunistically self-serving.
 
Apparently one aspect of higher consciousness is that one cannot ever afford to admit a mistake, and that meanings are fluid to the point of nonsense. Is a dimensionless location the same as a shovel? Is the principle of a lever an unstable end and a stable end? Why sure if the thing itself is no more than the geometric principle you claim it conforms to, and if it turns out that the end is the middle, and if you redefine stability to mean relative force.

What part of a cantilever bridge is unstable?
 
bruto said:
Apparently one aspect of higher consciousness is that one cannot ever afford to admit a mistake, and that meanings are fluid to the point of nonsense. Is a dimensionless location the same as a shovel? Is the principle of a lever an unstable end and a stable end? Why sure if the thing itself is no more than the geometric principle you claim it conforms to, and if it turns out that the end is the middle, and if you redefine stability to mean relative force.

What part of a cantilever bridge is unstable?
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...the "other part", obviously!
 
Slowvehicle said:
Do you ride a bicycle with a multi-speed gear train?
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When the largest gear is driven, and the smallest gear is driving (the gear attached to the pedals), travel speed will be slow, but the torque will be a long road ahead so that the rider's weight could also be accelerated along a sloping ground (in the up direction).

Slowvehicle said:
Have you ever used a wrench?
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Yes all the power is concentrated on a small scale, which increases the efficiency loosen tight screws or tighten loose screws.

Think also about a bolt cutter.
 
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bruto said:
Apparently one aspect of higher consciousness is that one cannot ever afford to admit a mistake, and that meanings are fluid to the point of nonsense. Is a dimensionless location the same as a shovel? Is the principle of a lever an unstable end and a stable end? Why sure if the thing itself is no more than the geometric principle you claim it conforms to, and if it turns out that the end is the middle, and if you redefine stability to mean relative force.

What part of a cantilever bridge is unstable?
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Please try to cross http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10147375&postcount=248 post once again.
 
doronshadmi said:
When the largest gear is driven, and the smallest gear is driving (the gear attached to the pedals), travel speed will be slow, but the torque will be a long road ahead so that the rider's weight could also be accelerated along a sloping ground (in the up direction).
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What do you think "the torque will be a long road ahead" means?

Small chainring/large cog is easier to pedal, but each pedal stroke generates less distance. Large chainring/small cog is harder to pedal, but each pedal stroke generates more distance. The work done to travel the distance is the same. What has that to do with "stability/instability", "efficiency" or "higher consciousness"?

doronshadmi said:
Yes all the power is concentrated on a small scale, which increases the efficiency loosen tight screws or tighten loose screws.

Think also about a about a bolt cutter.
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You are not using "power" in the way someone who understands physics does.

You are not using "efficiency" in the way someone who understands physics does.
 
Slowvehicle said:
What do you think "the torque will be a long road ahead" means?
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It means that a given weight is more easily dragged along a given road, exactly because the larger gear is driven, and the smaller gear (the gear attached to the pedals, which is where the energy comes from (by the rider)) is driving, and it is closer to the axle's size, that is more stable w.r.t the other parts of the gears or the wheels.

So is the case about one's awareness, more it is closed to its self state (equivalent to the center of a rotating gear (or wheel)) more power is available for thoughts' process by less needed space\time.

Slowvehicle said:
You are not using "power" in the way someone who understands physics does.

You are not using "efficiency" in the way someone who understands physics does.
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I generalize the principles of stability and instability such that they can be used in order to describe mental or physical phenomena.
 
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doronshadmi said:
It means that a given weight is more easily dragged along a given road, exactly because the larger gear is driven, and the smaller gear (the gear attached to the pedals, which is where the energy comes from (by the rider)) is driving, and it is closer to the axle's size, that is more stable w.r.t the other parts of the gears or the wheels.
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Sorry, that does not appear to have anything at all to do with, "the torque will be a long road ahead".

Small chainring/large cog does make each pedal stroke require less effort, although it does not make it "easier" to drag a weight. Further, no matter how often you try to woo! the word in, mechanical advantage is not a result of "stability" (nor is the axle of a wheel "more stable" than the rim).

doronshadmi said:
So is the case about one's awareness, more it is closed to its self state (equivalent to the center of a rotating gear (or wheel)) more power is evadable for thoughts' process by less needed space\time.
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...which is why, of course, you should always use the shortest possible wrench you can find, to loosen a stuck bolt; and why batters choke all the way up on the bat, when swinging for the fences; and why the driving wheels of tractors are always as small as possible.

Even if "mental effort" were fruitfully analogous to "effort".

doronshadmi said:
I generalize the principles of stability and instability such that they can be used in order to describe mental or physical phenomena.
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Which does not have anything to do with your misuse of "power" and "efficiency"; Or your moving target of "stability".

Oh, well.

Have fun with your "higher consciousness".
 
Slowvehicle said:
Sorry, that does not appear to have anything at all to do with, "the torque will be a long road ahead".

Small chainring/large cog does make each pedal stroke require less effort, although it does not make it "easier" to drag a weight. Further, no matter how often you try to woo! the word in, mechanical advantage is not a result of "stability" (nor is the axle of a wheel "more stable" than the rim).



...which is why, of course, you should always use the shortest possible wrench you can find, to loosen a stuck bolt; and why batters choke all the way up on the bat, when swinging for the fences; and why the driving wheels of tractors are always as small as possible.

Even if "mental effort" were fruitfully analogous to "effort".



Which does not have anything to do with your misuse of "power" and "efficiency"; Or your moving target of "stability".

Oh, well.

Have fun with your "higher consciousness".
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I'm sure he meant toque and he was saying that it's a long way to the restaurant.
 
Slowvehicle said:
Small chainring/large cog does make each pedal stroke require less effort, although it does not make it "easier" to drag a weight.
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Yes it does, and that's exactly the reason that in order to start climbing steep roads, one uses smaller gear in the pedals side and larger gear in the back wheel.

The same principle of more cutting power with less movement is demonstrated by a bolt cutter.
 
doronshadmi said:
Yes it does, and that's exactly the reason that in order to start climbing steep roads, one uses smaller gear in the pedals side and larger gear in the back wheel.

The same principle of more cutting power with less movement is demonstrated by a bolt cutter.
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No, it doesn't. Exactly the same amount of work is done, climbing the slope in any gear. What gearing down does is trade less force per stroke for more strokes.

A bolt cutter demonstrates that you get a greater mechanical advantage by applying the force further away from the pivot; again, you are trading distance for force. (Try cutting a bolt by holding the bolt cutter at a point on the handle no further from the pivot than the point the lades touch the bolt.)

None of which has to do with efficiency, or with "stability".
 
doronshadmi said:
Yes it does, and that's exactly the reason that in order to start climbing steep roads, one uses smaller gear in the pedals side and larger gear in the back wheel.

The same principle of more cutting power with less movement is demonstrated by a bolt cutter.
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No no no no no. And no again. I'm sure Slowvehicle will do his best also on this but no. Work is work. the low gear requires less TORQUE and a proportionally higher SPEED. It's the same effort, unless of course you cavalierly redefine effort to mean something else. Work, power, kilowatts, ergs, effort. Same amount, different proportion of torque and speed.

I don't know whether you have ridden a bicycle much, but have you noticed that you run out of breath when you pedal faster? Hmmm. Imagine that. I wonder why.
 
Ok, let's do it this way.

Above the ground there is a balanced pole on a given fulcrum, such that at its left edge there is 300 kg and at its right edge there is 1 kg.

A 12 kg girl is seated on the pole's right edge and enables to lift (move up) 300 kg.

Now try to do that without the combination of stability at the fulcrum and the instability at pole's edges.
 
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tsig said:
That's so true why just the other day I was digging a hole and when I threw the dirt out of the hole with the shovel my end became unstable and threw me clean out of the galaxy, took me forever to work my way back by the black hole route.
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Come come now, the hi-lited part is surely somewhat exaggerated! :p
 
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