Merged deliberate obstruction by the CIA of pre-9/11 investigations?

[Seymour Butz]

This is exactly why it was decided early on that these investigations were not going to become a political witch hunt only to end up with no progress and a scape-goat or two.


Unless it was shown that someone deliberately acted in their interest that compromised the national interest, progress for change would take precedence. There is zero evidence the US government or anyone in it's ranks supported this attack.

The problems have not been solved but, I think it's a bit better.

FWIW, in my opinion, the ultimate scapegoat was Climton and Gorelick. They set up the "wall" that prevented the CIA and FBI from talking to each other.

The purpose of the "wall" was so that evidence collected by the FBI could be used easier in court since there wouldn't be any questions about leads, etc. this was a shift in policy, from preventing terrorist attacks, to prosecuting them.

Nothing nefarious here, just a policy change that resulted in disaster.

Why else would Gorelick be on the 9/11 Commission other than to protect herself and Clinton? What good would it have done the Bush Admin to point fingers at them AND the very agencies that they were going to need to fight AQ, etc?

None....

 

[thatsmystory]

Are you convinced these individuals did this in order to cause the events of 9/11?

The reason this stuff is debated on message boards is because all the investigations and media coverage failed to get answers.

I don't know why US intelligence agencies obstructed al Qaeda investigations. I do find it difficult to conclude that obstructing investigations is somehow indicative of good faith conduct.

 

[beachnut]

The reason this stuff is debated on message boards is because all the investigations and media coverage failed to get answers.

I don't know why US intelligence agencies obstructed al Qaeda investigations. I do find it difficult to conclude that obstructing investigations is somehow indicative of good faith conduct.

What a load of BS. Where is your Pulitzer? Fantasy conclusions. If you know so much, why did you fail to warn us? Why did you let UBL kill people on 911? Who said they would cut the throats of crew and pilots to take the planes, who had that information? How do you arrest people before they do something? Where is your book?

13 years of BS from 911 truth, and then we have the special branch of woo which speculates people knew, and instead of stopping it, they let it happen, and failed to be real heros. Good luck with your made up stuff, and you don't have any idea which part of your claim is a fantasy.

 

[paloalto]

What evidence/testimony do you have to support this allegation? Please be specific.

On June 12, 2001, the CIA learns that the person directing the huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US was Khalid Sheik Mohammed, and that Mohammed was recruiting many al Qaeda terrorists to be sent into the US in the summer of 2001, to link up with other al Qaeda terrorists already inside of the US, who the CIA knew were Nawaf al-Hazmi and possibly Khalid al-Mihdhar who had a multi-entry visa to travel to the US. This information goes to Richard Blee, head of the CIA CTC Rendition unit and then to Black and Tenet. They all are clearly aware of the Bojinka plot by KSM to highjack many large airliners and fly these into the WTC towers, the Pentagon, the US Capitol building, and perhaps other US landmarks. They were also clearly aware that Khalid Sheik Mohammed had been photographed at the Kuala Lumpur meeting while he stayed right at the condominium where Mihdhar and Hazmi also stayed.

The information in the post comes from the following sources:

The fact that the CIA was told on June 12, 2001 “that the person directing the huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US was Khalid Sheik Mohammed, and that Mohammed was recruiting many al Qaeda terrorists to be sent into the US in the summer of 2001, to link up with other al Qaeda terrorists already inside of the US” is found in the 9/11 Commission report.

The fact that the CIA knew that the other al Qaeda terrorists already inside of the US, who were going to link up with the al Qaeda terrorists being recruited by Khalid Sheik Mohammed, were Nawaf al-Hazmi and possibly Khalid al-Mihdhar, was due to the fact that the only al Qaeda terrorists that the CIA was aware that were inside of the US were Nawaf al-Hazmi, possibly Khalid al-Mihdhar, and perhaps Zacarias Moussaoui. But Moussaoui had been arrested by the middle of August 2001. When both Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar were found to be inside of the US on August 22, 2001, the CIA would have known for sure that these were indeed the “other al Qaeda terrorists already inside of the US” who were going to take part in this huge attack the CIA had been getting warnings about since April 2001.

Cofer Black identified the unit that had received the warning that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was directing this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack after the release of the 9/11 Commission report. He stated that this information was stove piped in this Rendition unit. But we know from Ken Silverstein’s article in the Harpers January 2007 issue, that Richard Blee was the chief of the CIA Renditions unit in addition to being Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit. And from this article we learn that Cofer Black and Richard Blee were very close, so it is inconceivable that Blee do not tell his close friend about the Khalid Sheik Mohammed information. Black and Tenet were also very close, hence this information would have gone directly from Black to Tenet.

The information on the Bojinka plot can be found in main stream media articles that are located in the 9/11 Time Line by Paul Thompson. These articles describe Philippine intelligence as having obtained this Bojinka plot information off of Hakim Murad’s computer. Hakim was working with Khalid Sheik Mohammed in this plot.

The information that “They were also clearly aware that Khalid Sheik Mohammed had been photographed at the Kuala Lumpur meeting while he stayed right at the condominium where Mihdhar and Hazmi also stayed”, is found in the Guantanamo charge sheet for Hambali, a famous Indonesian terrorists closely connected to al Qaeda. This charge sheet was snuck out of Guantanamo and given to Wikileaks who gave it to the New York Times in May 2011. Why this information did not make front page news I will never know. Had this information come out during the 9/11 public hearings many high level people at the CIA would have been replaced, if not sent to prison. This information shows that the CIA observed the actual meeting where the planning for the attacks on 9/11 and even the attack on the Cole had taken place and then hid this information from the very people who were capable of preventing this huge attack from taking place, the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing investigation.

Notice how difficult it was to gather all of this information in one place. You had to use the 9/11 Commission report and then aggregate that with information that the CIA knew about Mihdhar and Hazmi from the DOJ IG report and then use the Time Line to get information on the Bojinka plot and then combine that with the Wikileaks document from the New York Times web site. There is no single document other than a few books where this information appears in one place. Also notice that this is just small part of the account on 9/11 and is but one of a large number of parts for the account of 9/11. This same search had to be done for each one of these many parts through thousands and thousands of pages of government reports on 9/11 largely taken from the US government investigations that described the events that had taken place at the CIA and FBI HQ prior to 9/11.

 

[beachnut]

Where did someone say they would storm the cockpit killing anyone in the way, cutting the throats of the pilots, eliminating the type A personality on board to fly the planes themselves. Where is that in the reading the minds of terrorists handbook of woo and failed conclusions.

I bet these guys never have accidents cause they know it is going to happen, never been robbed or beat up, cause they know it is going to happen.

The world of "Minority Report", where there is no crime because people like PA and TMS know all.

Anyone who knew the plot would stop it and be heros, rich heros with book deals. But then why be rich when you can kill thousands for some unknown silly reason PA and TMS can't explain rationally.

 

[jimd3100]

Anyone who knew the plot would stop it and be heros, rich heros with book deals.

No that's what they got for failing to stop it.....

The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the President of the United States and is——the highest civilian award of the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Medal_of_Freedom

The highest medal possible is given to "heroes"...like this guy....

CIA Report Blames Tenet for 9/ll Failure
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2007/08/cia-report-blam/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEq6dFdP6sI

Anyone who knew the plot would stop it and be heros, rich heros with book deals.

No - these rich heroes get medals and book deals when failing to stop it....

CIA director George Tenet signed a book deal with Rick Horgan at Crown for a reported $4 million dollars
http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/george-tenet-gets-a-book-deal-yet-again_b1433

Where is your Pulitzer?

 

[beachnut]

...

Where is your Pulitzer?

Wow, you can predict the future. Wait, no you say people can predict some 19 nuts will cut pilot throats, and everyone knew, but kept it a secret because... lol

The best predicting the future I have seen is when I borrowed my dad's car in Iowa while TDY from Okinawa to attend an 11 week of school in Alabama. As we left my dad gave me gloves, and a flash light to take in the back of the car; I packed up the kids and wife... less than an hour down the road at night we had a flat tire.

Looks like on 911 the only people who figured out 911 before anyone else, were Flight 93 passengers; and they beat you by 13 years. You can't predict the actions of 19 idiots, and they did nothing wrong until they cut their first throat, unless you can read their minds, and know their conspiracy to commit wide spread murder.

I have been briefed many times on possible threats, but never a specific of what was the threat past the fact they might kill me because I am a US military asset working for NATO - the same goes for 911 - you have no specifics. How do you arrest people before 911 for what they might do? McVeigh could be arrested for having a truck bomb, but even though we know there may be nuts like McVeigh, how do we know when and where, and how they will kill; like the Boston bombers, your peers in 911 truth, who can predict who, what and where.


I see you TMS and PA know you got the good, then go get the Pulitzer.

13 years, and you guys know the truth, go ahead, move from the where we discuss paranoid conspiracy theories and move to current news, current events, how the FBI and CIA failed to predict the future of 19 possible hijackers who fooled us once, and scored 75 percent.
Are you one of the NORAD guys back in your truther days, a stand down truther? I forgot, what were you 911 truther claims before you became a proponent of they should have seen the future, "minority report" style.


Wow, 2 of the hijackers, makes a 17 man job for 911. cool, never give the complete narrative of your fantasy conclusions, just BS it away

I can see it now, 911 was done by 17 nuts, 2 nuts were detained by the FBI 2 weeks before the terror attack....

good job, what was your list of claims when you were full blown 911 truth super follower

 

[DGM]

The information that “They were also clearly aware that Khalid Sheik Mohammed had been photographed at the Kuala Lumpur meeting while he stayed right at the condominium where Mihdhar and Hazmi also stayed”, is found in the Guantanamo charge sheet for Hambali, a famous Indonesian terrorists closely connected to al Qaeda. This charge sheet was snuck out of Guantanamo and given to Wikileaks who gave it to the New York Times in May 2011. Why this information did not make front page news I will never know. Had this information come out during the 9/11 public hearings many high level people at the CIA would have been replaced, if not sent to prison. This information shows that the CIA observed the actual meeting where the planning for the attacks on 9/11 and even the attack on the Cole had taken place and then hid this information from the very people who were capable of preventing this huge attack from taking place, the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing investigation.

Any idea why you can't get any news agency to run with this? If you think it's because they're "all controlled" might explain why you can't see why this public information has not been acted on. You do know, everything you've posted is old public information?

Is there any chance you might not understand the events as well as others?

 

[BazBear]

Wow, I'm amazed I can and do read through threads like this.

9/11 CTists, give it up. The ****ups by U.S. agencies are in the record, and there were many. No one has proven anything even remotely hinting at intent. HINDSIGHT DOES NOT COUNT. Of course, most CTists of any ilk seem to disregard that hindsight is often 20/20 (or at least 20/40, to stretch this metaphor to the hilt)

The turf wars between U.S. gov't agencies predate 9/11 by at least a couple of centuries.

And bureaucrats are bureaucrats the world over.

And terrorists will wrap themselves in bomb vests and blow people up....why is it so hard to believe AQ affiliate recruiters found 19 guys to pull this off?

I've heard some here call those who propose a U.S. gov't conspiracy (LIHOP MIHOP, whatever) regarding the attacks on 9/11 "apologists". I have another phrase the MA precludes me from using.

 

[thatsmystory]

Wow, I'm amazed I can and do read through threads like this.

9/11 CTists, give it up. The ****ups by U.S. agencies are in the record, and there were many. No one has proven anything even remotely hinting at intent. HINDSIGHT DOES NOT COUNT. Of course, most CTists of any ilk seem to disregard that hindsight is often 20/20 (or at least 20/40, to stretch this metaphor to the hilt)

The turf wars between U.S. gov't agencies predate 9/11 by at least a couple of centuries.

And bureaucrats are bureaucrats the world over.

And terrorists will wrap themselves in bomb vests and blow people up....why is it so hard to believe AQ affiliate recruiters found 19 guys to pull this off?

I've heard some here call those who propose a U.S. gov't conspiracy (LIHOP MIHOP, whatever) regarding the attacks on 9/11 "apologists". I have another phrase the MA precludes me from using.

So why did the serious terrorism experts in the CIA and FBI who grasped the threat posed by al Qaeda obstruct the Cole investigation and the search for al-Hazmi and al-Mihhdar? It sure looks like you hold government officials to a much lower standard of conduct than you do so called 9/11 conspiracy apologists.

 

[beachnut]

So why did the serious terrorism experts in the CIA and FBI who grasped the threat posed by al Qaeda obstruct the Cole investigation and the search for al-Hazmi and al-Mihhdar? It sure looks like you hold government officials to a much lower standard of conduct than you do so called 9/11 conspiracy apologists.

What should they have done? Waterboard al and al, and they would spill the beans? Nope, al and al would not talk, and 911 would be 17 nuts, not 19.

oops, your Pulitzer is fading to black

oh man

At least you don't have thermite in the mind

 

[thatsmystory]

Wow, you can predict the future. Wait, no you say people can predict some 19 nuts will cut pilot throats, and everyone knew, but kept it a secret because... lol

The best predicting the future I have seen is when I borrowed my dad's car in Iowa while TDY from Okinawa to attend an 11 week of school in Alabama. As we left my dad gave me gloves, and a flash light to take in the back of the car; I packed up the kids and wife... less than an hour down the road at night we had a flat tire.

Looks like on 911 the only people who figured out 911 before anyone else, were Flight 93 passengers; and they beat you by 13 years. You can't predict the actions of 19 idiots, and they did nothing wrong until they cut their first throat, unless you can read their minds, and know their conspiracy to commit wide spread murder.

I have been briefed many times on possible threats, but never a specific of what was the threat past the fact they might kill me because I am a US military asset working for NATO - the same goes for 911 - you have no specifics. How do you arrest people before 911 for what they might do? McVeigh could be arrested for having a truck bomb, but even though we know there may be nuts like McVeigh, how do we know when and where, and how they will kill; like the Boston bombers, your peers in 911 truth, who can predict who, what and where.


I see you TMS and PA know you got the good, then go get the Pulitzer.

13 years, and you guys know the truth, go ahead, move from the where we discuss paranoid conspiracy theories and move to current news, current events, how the FBI and CIA failed to predict the future of 19 possible hijackers who fooled us once, and scored 75 percent.
Are you one of the NORAD guys back in your truther days, a stand down truther? I forgot, what were you 911 truther claims before you became a proponent of they should have seen the future, "minority report" style.


Wow, 2 of the hijackers, makes a 17 man job for 911. cool, never give the complete narrative of your fantasy conclusions, just BS it away

I can see it now, 911 was done by 17 nuts, 2 nuts were detained by the FBI 2 weeks before the terror attack....

good job, what was your list of claims when you were full blown 911 truth super follower

Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were ID'ed by way of the infamous Yemen hub. That hub was associated with the '98 embassy bombings and the Cole attack. Alec Station deputy Wilshire knew they were a threat because of this association. So I don't know why you suggest they were just some random guys.

Kenneth Maxwell, Soufan’s former supervisor, told me, “Two Al Qaeda guys living in California—are you kidding me? We would have been on them like white on snow: physical surveillance, electronic surveillance, a special unit devoted entirely to them.” The Agent

 

[paloalto]

Wow, you can predict the future. Wait, no you say people can predict some 19 nuts will cut pilot throats, and everyone knew, but kept it a secret because... lol

The best predicting the future I have seen is when I borrowed my dad's car in Iowa while TDY from Okinawa to attend an 11 week of school in Alabama. As we left my dad gave me gloves, and a flash light to take in the back of the car; I packed up the kids and wife... less than an hour down the road at night we had a flat tire.

Looks like on 911 the only people who figured out 911 before anyone else, were Flight 93 passengers; and they beat you by 13 years. You can't predict the actions of 19 idiots, and they did nothing wrong until they cut their first throat, unless you can read their minds, and know their conspiracy to commit wide spread murder.

I have been briefed many times on possible threats, but never a specific of what was the threat past the fact they might kill me because I am a US military asset working for NATO - the same goes for 911 - you have no specifics. How do you arrest people before 911 for what they might do? McVeigh could be arrested for having a truck bomb, but even though we know there may be nuts like McVeigh, how do we know when and where, and how they will kill; like the Boston bombers, your peers in 911 truth, who can predict who, what and where.


I see you TMS and PA know you got the good, then go get the Pulitzer.

13 years, and you guys know the truth, go ahead, move from the where we discuss paranoid conspiracy theories and move to current news, current events, how the FBI and CIA failed to predict the future of 19 possible hijackers who fooled us once, and scored 75 percent.
Are you one of the NORAD guys back in your truther days, a stand down truther? I forgot, what were you 911 truther claims before you became a proponent of they should have seen the future, "minority report" style.


Wow, 2 of the hijackers, makes a 17 man job for 911. cool, never give the complete narrative of your fantasy conclusions, just BS it away

I can see it now, 911 was done by 17 nuts, 2 nuts were detained by the FBI 2 weeks before the terror attack....

good job, what was your list of claims when you were full blown 911 truth super follower

“From your post” Wow, you can predict the future. Wait, no you say people can predict some 19 nuts will cut pilot throats, and everyone knew, but kept it a secret because... lol”


No one has ever claimed this in this blog. And the CIA and FBI HQ did not have to predict the future to stop the attacks on 9/11.

The tragic part of this is on August 22, 201, both the CIA, including Richard Blee, Cofer Black and George Tenet and many other people at the CIA, and many people who had been corrupted by the CIA at FBI HQ , including Tom Wilshire, Dina Corsi and Rod Middleton, knew that al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US and even knew they were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack that would kill thousands of Americans. Wilshire’s email on July, 5, 2001, July 13, 2001, and July 23, 2001 back to Blee, Black and even Tenet proves this.

I have these emails, they are all now in the public domain. Yet very few Americans have ever been made aware of these emails, by either these corrupt investigations or by main stream media.

Wilshire was the highest ranked official at the FBI HQ who was actually in charge of all investigations world wide of the al Qaeda terrorists. No one at the FBI, apparently, knew that while Wilshire was ostensibly working at the FBI he was still secretly taking orders and under the complete control of the CIA. It was his own people who illegally and criminally shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, the one investigation that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11 had it been allowed to proceed.

Incredibly, the CIA even knew that many of those who were just about to be murdered would be the thousands of people who worked at the World Trade Center Towers along with many people who worked at the Pentagon.

And now all of this information has been covered over by the superficial and even criminally corrupt investigations into the attacks on 9/11 and by the absolute cowardice in the main stream media.

 

[beachnut]

...
Incredibly, the CIA even knew that many of those who were just about to be murdered would be the thousands of people who worked at the World Trade Center Towers along with many people who worked at the Pentagon.

And now all of this information has been covered over by the superficial and even criminally corrupt investigations into the attacks on 9/11 and by the absolute cowardice in the main stream media.

What a bunch of BS. You have a fantasy based conclusion.

No you say MSM would not jump on the chance to get a Pulitzer Prize - you make up sad conclusions, must be a projection complex.

Where do you post this claptrap? Where we discuss really silly conclusions based on 911, call paranoid conspiracy theories.

You make up conclusions.

Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US... arrested for being ... ???

Yesterday 17 terrorists used small knives to cut pilot throats and take 4 planes, not hijacked, but murdered the pilots and took the planes.

Now this is a rational possible conclusion if the two "terrorists" were detained, water-boarded, failed to talk, and 911 still happens.

Wait, we could arrest all Islamic visitors/students ...

Why did you fail to warn us?

Where is your Pulitzer?
I can answer this one ... ...

investigation that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11 h

You make conclusions and forget you included, "could have", you forgot you said "could have". I thought you were shure...

 

[Axxman300]

It needs to be pointed out that the opposite of what we're talking about is what lead us to the invasion of Iraq over WMD. We connected the dots in advance, using the same logic, and chain of evidence that the FBI & CIA "failed to act upon" before 9-11. We had names, we had locations under surveillance, we had (at the time) trusted sources, and a foe with a long track record of human rights abuses.

Turns out the only thing we did not actually find were actionable amounts of chemical weapons, biological weapons, or a nuclear program.

For some reason evidence was deceiving. But any experienced investigator will tell you that is too often the case.

 

[jimd3100]

Wow, you can predict the future.

No predicting was necessary. Saudi Arabian Intelligence knew about the whole 9/11 plot, and helped carry it out. The CIA has never had to make the claim that "those darn Saudis never shared information with them" because the Saudis have been protected from day one. How convenient for the CIA.

Saud A.S. Al-Rasheed sometimes spelled Saud al Rashid:

In 2002 investigators found damming evidence against him.......

According to DIA translators, this individuals name may indicate that he is some how related to the Saudi Royal Family
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16842138/...y-of-911-Hijacker-Passport-Images-in-Pakistan

He was put on the FBI's most wanted list - this is an archive of the FBI website before it was pulled off by orders of ???????............

For Immediate Release
FBI National Press Office

The FBI has issued a BOLO (Be On The Lookout) for an individual by the name of Saud A.S. Al-Rasheed.
He is considered armed and dangerous.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100411084321/http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel02/alrasheed082002.htm

This BOLO was pulled off the web when it was discovered he was part of the Saudi Intelligence apparatus.

He was one of the hijackers originally and knew of the whole plot according to KSM......

Footnotes of 9-11 Commission:

8. Saud al Rashid. Describing him as headstrong and immature, KSM says he disappeared after being sent to Saudi Arabia for a U.S.visa, either because he had second thoughts or because his family interceded and confiscated his passport. He has no credible explanation why photos of him were found with those of three other hijackers, or why others identified him as a candidate hijacker
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

9-11 Commission released notes:

Event: Interview of Saud al-Rasheed
He also denied ever meeting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) . When confronted with information that KSM (and Mustapha al-Hawsawi) identified him as one of the potential muscle operatives for the 9/11 operation, and asked how and why KSM would lie about such a thing, al-Rasheed claimed that KSM could have seen what al-Rasheed looked like from the picture on his passport and KSM might have heard his name because there were rumors floating around that al-Rasheed was __________
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19414305/MFR-NARA-T1A-Saudi-Arabia-Al-Rasheed-Saud-2-24-04-01254

Do you believe our Saudi friend? The 9-11 commission didn't.

We believe that al-Rasheed was being deceptive. It is our impression that he has had enough time to develop a coherent story and is sticking to it (and that he even may have been coached at some point).
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01240.pdf

Saudi Intelligence knew more about Al Qaeda than the CIA or anyone else since they are the ones that gave birth to the terrorist Organization all the way from the time they were "Brave Freedom Fighters" according to the U.S. Government in the 1980s, till they were "Evil Doers who hate Freedom" according to the U.S. Government in the 2000s.

Protecting the Saudis protects CIA, the Saudi Intelligence and CIA working together running the Jihadi crazies is nothing new.

 

[beachnut]

...

Protecting the Saudis protects CIA, the Saudi Intelligence and CIA working together running the Jihadi crazies is nothing new.

Sounds like you stand down order failure. Is it paranoia or the need to have some fantasy version of 911.

You like to make up your own stories about 911, the shoot down/not shoot down order, both the same, and now you make up nonsense about 911, the CIA, and the Saudis. Why are you stuck here with what you think is news?

How did the stand-down order/not stand-down order work out?

You got some hearsay, now what.

Your track record is not indicative of trust, what great new critical thinking skills have you gained since you were super gullible, falling for Gage's lies and failed claims?

jimd3100 - Richard Gage did an excellent job ...

What has changed.

jimd3100 - Richard Gage has shown himself to be a true hero of the truth movement by putting this evidence into the record, ...

When did you find the evidence was, the empty set?

You spread silly claims before.

Steel melted at WTC 7. FEMA admits it and it's public record. Explain that NIST.

What has changed.

 

[thatsmystory]

Sounds like you stand down order failure. Is it paranoia or the need to have some fantasy version of 911.

You like to make up your own stories about 911, the shoot down/not shoot down order, both the same, and now you make up nonsense about 911, the CIA, and the Saudis. Why are you stuck here with what you think is news?

How did the stand-down order/not stand-down order work out?

You got some hearsay, now what.

What happened at the CIA and FBI in regard to al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar? Why did the CIA give the White House urgent briefings about a possible al Qaeda attack while withholding information about al Qaeda operatives they knew were in the US planning for such an attack?

 

[beachnut]

What happened at the CIA and FBI in regard to al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar? Why did the CIA give the White House urgent briefings about a possible al Qaeda attack while withholding information about al Qaeda operatives they knew were in the US planning for such an attack?

What was the specific attack? Van bombs at tailgate parties? What was the plot? Where is your Pulitzer? Why are you posting this here, maybe you need to tell the FBI. Did you tell the FBI? What did they say.

Watch out, the caution speed limit on curves is due to two things, line of sight and control, you could have an accident, you have no been warn; oh, some people cross the line going the wrong way... you have been warn, how do you stop it...

 

[thatsmystory]

What was the specific attack? Van bombs at tailgate parties? What was the plot? Where is your Pulitzer? Why are you posting this here, maybe you need to tell the FBI. Did you tell the FBI? What did they say.

Watch out, the caution speed limit on curves is due to two things, line of sight and control, you could have an accident, you have no been warn; oh, some people cross the line going the wrong way... you have been warn, how do you stop it...

Kenneth Maxwell, Soufan’s former supervisor, told me, “Two Al Qaeda guys living in California—are you kidding me? We would have been on them like white on snow: physical surveillance, electronic surveillance, a special unit devoted entirely to them.”

Is Maxwell a conspiracy nut to wonder why his unit wasn't told that two al Qaeda operatives were in the US?