Richard Dawkins defends "mild pedophelia"?!?!?!?

Dorian Gray

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In a Times magazine article (reported in Salon), Dawkins said:

“I am very conscious that you can’t condemn people of an earlier era by the standards of ours. Just as we don’t look back at the 18th and 19th centuries and condemn people for racism in the same way as we would condemn a modern person for racism, I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today,”

He just had to keep talking, I guess. Loves the sound of his own voice.
 
Yeah, that thing about not condemning people of an earlier era? Doesn't apply to people who are still alive.

Especially not when they're defending people who are still doing the things we're condemning them for now.
 
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Pedophilia is not the same as molesting kids. One is a mental issue, the other is a crime.

I want to see pedophiles treated as humans with dignity as they seek psychiatric and medical help. I want to see child molesters get a beating within inches of their lives.
 
Kahalachan said:
Pedophilia is not the same as molesting kids. One is a mental issue, the other is a crime.

I want to see pedophiles treated as humans with dignity as they seek psychiatric and medical help. I want to see child molesters get a beating within inches of their lives.
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I may disagree with the last. I think that the definition of 'child molester' is not a black and white issue, and I think that is the entire point that he was originally making.
 
ehcks said:
Yeah, that thing about not condemning people of an earlier era? Doesn't apply to people who are still alive.

Especially not when they're defending people who are still doing the things we're condemning them for now.
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Based on the OP, Dawkings will now have to condone Mohamed and his child bride. Ah the irony...

For my part, peodos need no reconciliation or state supported help to become 'normalised'.

I was abused.

As I see it, they are all evil deviant bastards. The state can do nothing about these pieces of scum in terms of restraining their behaviour. Wishful pseudo bollocks. These bastards do not care.

I am not an expert, but there must be a high level of psychopathic tendency in these people for them to not to acknowledge what they do/did is wrong.

I do not buy the 'power' theory or the other one that 'if abused, you will do the same' crap.

I have two children, fiddling with them or any of their friends never came to mind, though as I said, I was abused.

Sorry for the rant too, but recent stories in UK have really affected me.
 
Hey, if Dawkins thinks judging priests for diddling kids is too harsh and unjustified, he's perfectly free to do so. If he's trying to convince people who feel differently that they're wrong to feel that way, though, he's doing a poor job.
 
Rat said:
Have you never heard him speak on this subject? This is hardly the first thread on it.
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I have never heard him speak on the subject.

Come to think of it, maybe it's better that way.
 
ravdin said:
Serious question- what's "mild" pedophilia?
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.. rubbing but not hurting.... It is love you see, etc,,,

A good question though. Do we have mild murder, mild rape, mild abuse, mild mugging?

''Excuse me? Would you be so kind as to hand me over your wallet so that I may not be compelled to perform an aggressive act to which I am against, but based on this rather awkward situation, I may resort to using? Please?''
 
Dorian Gray said:
In a Times magazine article (reported in Salon), Dawkins said:

“I am very conscious that you can’t condemn people of an earlier era by the standards of ours. Just as we don’t look back at the 18th and 19th centuries and condemn people for racism in the same way as we would condemn a modern person for racism, I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today,”

He just had to keep talking, I guess. Loves the sound of his own voice.
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He is not speaking as someone who as done it, but as someone who has experienced it. His experience is just as he says. From what I am reading about the effects on others, he is reaching a 'hasty conclusion'. For them the effects have been mild to severe.
 
a_unique_person said:
He is not speaking as someone who as done it, but as someone who has experienced it. His experience is just as he says. From what I am reading about the effects on others, he is reaching a 'hasty conclusion'. For them the effects have been mild to severe.
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Kudos to him for sharing his experiences but why on earth does he feel he has the right to speak for others who have been sexually abused?

The temporary embarrassment of mild physical abuse.
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WTF?
 
ravdin said:
Serious question- what's "mild" pedophilia?
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It might also mean things like an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old. Which in some nations is an immediate warrant to be a sex offender for the rest of your life.
Stupid teens making naked pictures of themselves and becoming child pornographers with all the legal stigma attached.

Both cases of 'official' pedophilia, but not an actual crime if you look at things.

But not sure if that is what he ment.
 
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