Religion is to God as Sci-Fi is to Science

[Craig4]

Yes, instead of doing the hard work of understanding reality they prefer the world of the imagination where fancy roams free.

Although there is a parallel between the comics and Christianity, in the comics the villain dies at the end of the story but always is revived for the sequels, Jesus does the same.

Too bad, the hard work of finding stuff out is the fun part.

 

[PixyMisa]

You should already know that tricksters aren't that simple... Randi himself is a trickster-figure, an "honest liar"

So that's a yes.

That does rather simplify things, doesn't it?

 

[PixyMisa]

"I imagine that you'd like to think so." -Craig4

I've found that many people have a tough time trying to wrap their head around the trickster archetype. These might help. They are very good books.

Limbo, let me put it very simply: It doesn't matter.

That's anthropology. No-one is disputing the notion that there are shared concepts in mythology and fiction. (Though many would take you to task for your literary analysis, and of course the Jungian notion of a collective unconscious is nonsense.)

But if you want to make the claim that these shamanistic powers are more than mere stories for the delight of children and social scientists, then you're on a road to nowhere. We know that it's not true, for three distinct reasons:

1. It's impossible.
2. It cannot be demonstrated.
3. It makes no statistical difference to anything.

The only things that share these three properties are things that don't exist.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I'm beginning to think you are missing my points because you're so determined to prove me wrong.

And I think you genuinely think that the things you're saying are true insights, rather than something that anybody who's done a GCSE in Media Studies would be able to say. That you're not very good at it is just an amusing bonus.

 

[Limbo]

And I think you genuinely think that the things you're saying are true insights, rather than something that anybody who's done a GCSE in Media Studies would be able to say. That you're not very good at it is just an amusing bonus.

And I think you have nothing more to contribute to the topic than repeating over and over that I'm wrong. Saying that over and over doesn't make you right.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Saying that over and over doesn't make you right.

Indeed. The fact that I'm right is what makes me right.

Let me recap, just to be clear:

1. Your analysis was wrong.
2. The analysis you're doing is incredibly basic and could be done by anybody who has the most elementary knowledge of Media Studies, Literature Studies, Anthropology, or Sociology.
3. Even so, you're very bad at it. Sloppy, perfunctory, and arse over tit.
4. Starting with your conclusion and working backwards from there guarantees that you're going to do a bad analysis.

 

[Limbo]

Whereas your counter-analysis amounts to "Mormonism" this and "Israel" that. Gee whiz.

 

[PixyMisa]

We? Who is we, exactly. JREF?

Scientists. And since scientists are only too happy to share their knowledge, anyone who cares to learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs-Azp0i3k#t=2046

Sorry, Limbo, but the paranormal is dead. There was never any evidence for it, never any reason to believe it was even possible, but now there is not even a gap in which it can hide. Time to give it up and do something useful.

 

[PixyMisa]

Translation: "You're wrong"

Unworthy post is unworthy of my attention.

Watch the video I linked. It goes straight to the critical part, but the whole thing is worth watching.

Professor Carroll explains exactly how modern physics has ruled out the possibility of paranormal claims like yours. If you don't think that's worth learning, you are beyond help.

 

[CplFerro]

Scientists. And since scientists are only too happy to share their knowledge, anyone who cares to learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs-Azp0i3k#t=2046

Sorry, Limbo, but the paranormal is dead. There was never any evidence for it, never any reason to believe it was even possible, but now there is not even a gap in which it can hide. Time to give it up and do something useful.

Say, Pixy, that was an engrossing video. Thanks for posting it.

Cpl Ferro

 

[Limbo]

Say, Pixy, that was an engrossing video. Thanks for posting it.

Cpl Ferro

Yeah, I enjoyed it too. I saw it last week. Of course the assertions he makes about the paranormal toward the end are utterly ridiculous, but I still enjoyed it.

 

[Carlotta]

Who share our culture? The archetypes are universal common denominators; are cross-cultural.

I've got it now! That's why Christianity is archetypal, but Mormonism isn't! Oh, wait. (I've probably been ninjad by now, I'm a bit behind.)

 

[Limbo]

I've got it now! That's why Christianity is archetypal, but Mormonism isn't! Oh, wait. (I've probably been ninjad by now, I'm a bit behind.)

Archetypes are sort of like the building-blocks of world religion and myth. They are also the building-blocks of the sci-fi/comic book genre. They take different forms but underneath the surface they are the same.

 

[John Jones]

So what you are saying is that the reason they are unable to demonstrate what they claim to do is because they are lying?

Science can deal with that, you know. It's not even difficult. We do it all the time, and it works extremely well.

1. We ask them do demonstrate their claim.
2. They refuse, or fail.
3. We dismiss their claims as nonsense.

As I've said before, if you think otherwise, all you need to do is use shamanism rather than a computer (the product of clumsy, limited science!) to post your reply to this forum. Do that, and we'll take you seriously. Until then... Not so much.

Golf clap

 

[PixyMisa]

Yeah, I enjoyed it too. I saw it last week. Of course the assertions he makes about the paranormal toward the end are utterly ridiculous, but I still enjoyed it.

Here's your problem, Limbo. The scientific theory that shows that your paranormal claims are false is the exact same theory that allows us to build the computers and communications devices that power this forum. Your post denying this is just more evidence that it is correct. There is no longer any place for this sort of paranormal claim to hide; we know even before we investigate the specifics that such claims must be false.

We know how the physics of our everyday world works, and we test and confirm our understanding a trillion times a day. And there is no room in our world for your claimed shamanistic powers; they are no more than a fantasy.

What you are claiming does not happen, and this is no surprise, because what you are claiming can not happen.

 

[John Jones]

And I think you have nothing more to contribute to the topic than repeating over and over that I'm wrong. Saying that over and over doesn't make you right.

I have often thought the same thing about your contributions:

. . . you have nothing more to contribute to the topic than repeating over and over that [everyone else is] wrong. Saying that over and over doesn't make you right.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Has Limbo provided the full list of the psycho-actives that you need to imbibe before you can fully appreciate his insights on reality?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Whereas your counter-analysis amounts to "Mormonism" this and "Israel" that. Gee whiz.

Please quote where I have offered a counter-analysis...

 

[Limbo]

Here's your problem, Limbo. The scientific theory that shows that your paranormal claims are false is the exact same theory that allows us to build the computers and communications devices that power this forum.

Yes, yes and atheists back in the stone -age learned how to build a fire. Therefore, they concluded, materialism is true.

Sean Carroll will be remembered as another short-sighted scientist who thought he had it all figured out. Your appeals to novelty and authority won't make any difference to people who have experienced profound paranormal phenomena, or people who actually take the time to become familiar with the large body of parapsychological evidence and pertaining scholarship. As opposed to prejudging it all and letting some trickster debunker do their thinking about it all for them.

Your post denying this is just more evidence that it is correct. There is no longer any place for this sort of paranormal claim to hide; we know even before we investigate the specifics that such claims must be false.

I can see you really, really want to believe in that. But I follow the evidence, not a short-sighted, dogmatic scientist and his dubious efforts to restrict inquiry.

Speaking of evidence... since I watched one of your vids maybe it's only fair you watch one of mine.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg

There, now that the Sean Carroll nonsense has been dealt with, I can bring this thread back on track while I wait for Myriad.

You guys liked Dune, right? It seems Herbert got his inspiration from magic mushrooms.

http://dailygrail.com/Shamanism/201...tion-Frank-Herberts-Science-Fiction-Epic-Dune

 

[Limbo]

Please quote where I have offered a counter-analysis...

If you can provide a counter-analysis without it boiling down to "Mormonism" this and "Israel" that, then why haven't you? C'mon what are you waiting for. Put up or shut up.