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New Malaysian airlines crash

Skeptical Greg said:
Possibly shot down...
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yes, Interfax reported that. Early still, so I'll put it in the rumour category. Seems awfully coincidental though

ETA from BBC: An advisor to the Ukrainian interior minister, Anton Gerashenko, says the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 metres (33,000 feet) when it was "hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher", in a post on his Facebook page, according to the Associated Press.
 
Could get very interesting. Ukraine has claimed a transport shot down yesterday was shotdown from Russian territory. Russians have denied it of course, but there is youtube video of surface to surface rocket launches from Russia in to Ukraine in the same area the plane went down
 
BBC Livetext:
17:15: [BST =GMT+1]
Interfax news agency quotes the Ukrainian presidential press service as saying that the Ukrainian armed forces were not involved in the Malaysian passenger plane "being brought down".
17:14
A Reuters reporter has reached the scene and has described seeing burning wreckage of the airplane, with bodies on the ground, the agency reports.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-28354787
 
From Reuter, separatists claim Ukrainian forces shot it down.

As they would. US satellite monitoring should be able see any missile that can go to 10000m

BBC talking head expert says the rebels have the equipment to shoot one down - but probably not the equipment to identify what the plane was before shooting. :(
 
icerat said:
From Reuter, separatists claim Ukrainian forces shot it down.

As they would. US satellite monitoring should be able see any missile that can go to 10000m

BBC talking head expert says the rebels have the equipment to shoot one down - but probably not the equipment to identify what the plane was before shooting. :(
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No binoculars?!!?
 
The Buk air defense system goes by the NATO designations SA-11 Gadfly or SA-17 Grizzly, according to variant. It uses radar aquisition, semi-active radar guidance and some variants have an active radar terminal guidance. Semi-active radar uses a ground based transmitter to illuminate the target and a receiver in the missile to calculate the intercept. The range is in the order of 50km with a ceiling of 150,000 feet - medium range, high altitutde. The system is vehicle portable with good set up times - like 5-10 minutes.
 
My father is watching noted military expert Geraldo Rivera on Fox explaining weapons systems. I think I'll keep away from all news for a few hours till somebody actually has some news to report. The media is in full blather mode.
 
Travis said:
Ooh boy. This could be very ugly.
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The propaganda will be thick...

The flight originated in Amsterdam and was apparently full of Westerners.

My guess is that one side thought it was shooting down a plane from the other side and couldn't tell the difference.

Or the 777 was flying in the vicinity of the intended target.

An A380 was apparently behind the 777. The route is a well used A380 path.
 
Flying along and suddenly the airplane you're in is torn apart. The lucky ones die instantly while the rest plummet 33,000 feet into the ground.

What a horrible way to die.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The propaganda will be thick...

The flight originated in Amsterdam and was apparently full of Westerners.

My guess is that one side thought it was shooting down a plane from the other side and couldn't tell the difference.

Or the 777 was flying in the vicinity of the intended target.

An A380 was apparently behind the 777. The route is a well used A380 path.
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Yes, it's a standard international air corrider. Flown it myself.

It's been pointed out that the rebels have not (yet) had planes in the air, so doesn't make sense for the Ukrainians to shoot it down - especially when it's flying west to east.

Looking at pics from the scene it was definitely not a crash, wreckage and bodies spread over 15km, so definitely a mid-air explosion.
 
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