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Merged Global Warming Discussion II: Heated Conversation

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Haig said:
"Below are just a few things caused by man-made Global Warming Climate Change Global Climate Disruption Excessive Climate Change Research Funding."

The big self parodying “climate change blame” list

Seems climate alarmists want it all-ways :rolleyes:
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i just looked at the first example, and as both papers Point out, it is a Topic that is poorly understood and seem they first thought te models were wrong, adn later seem to be that the model were actually correct.
yet it still is poorly understood.

i prefer such papers above the denier Blogs that are like, climate changed in the past without humans so humans can't Change the climate..... end of Research.....

scientists actually try to udnerstand the climate System into the smalest Details.... no Problem with that.
 
DC said:
and do you have any evidence that the number of AGW Deniers is increasing?
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Sure, After all the AGW alarmist hype has died down a bit the gap is increasing (in America) since about 2009.

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/161645/americans-concerns-global-warming-rise.aspx
 
Haig said:
Yip, there are more AGW skeptics now as the alarmist predictions fail.

The claim by alarmists used to be 97% of Scientists believe in AGW (was that "climate" scientists or "working" scientists? lol) although there is doubt in how accurate that consensus was.

Now that is down to 54% of scientists with 37% saying NO! ...

Do Scientists Generally Agree that Human Activity Causes Warming?
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it is Climate Scientists, not scientists in General. why should we care if a non experts believes AGW or not?
and i am not Aware of any study that Shows anthing different than 95+% of climatologists agreeing with AGW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient...rveys_of_scientists_and_scientific_literature

if you have a study showing anything different, present it.
 
Haig said:
Yip, there are more AGW skeptics now as the alarmist predictions fail.

The claim by alarmists used to be 97% of Scientists believe in AGW (was that "climate" scientists or "working" scientists? lol) although there is doubt in how accurate that consensus was.

Now that is down to 54% of scientists with 37% saying NO! ...

Do Scientists Generally Agree that Human Activity Causes Warming?
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Come on man. Your conclusion is ridiculous. The survey isn't of climate scientists. It is asking other people what they think climate scientists believe! The only valid way to use that poll is in understanding how the political and news bias effects public opinion.
 
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greybeard said:
"Friends of Science" and an astronaut Haig. Is that really all you got? :D
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No my friend, there is much more ... If you have ever wondered why Co2 continues to rise but the warming has plateaued it's because the Sun defines our climate and as Solar Cycle 24 passes it's maximum in a very very weak state the prediction among skeptics is for it to decline into a Solar Grand Minimum and the facts appear to be bearing that out ...

Distinguished Swedish Climate Scientist Warns Of Solar Grand Minimum … LITTLE ICE AGE In As Little As 15 Years!
 
Haig said:
No my friend, there is much more ... If you have ever wondered why Co2 continues to rise but the warming has plateaued it's because the Sun defines our climate and as Solar Cycle 24 passes it's maximum in a very very weak state the prediction among skeptics is for it to decline into a Solar Grand Minimum and the facts appear to be bearing that out ...

Distinguished Swedish Climate Scientist Warns Of Solar Grand Minimum … LITTLE ICE AGE In As Little As 15 Years!
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for a LIA we would also need increased volcanic activity.

else a grand solar minima does not much to global average temperatures.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50361/abstract
 
Haig said:
Sure, After all the AGW alarmist hype has died down a bit the gap is increasing (in America) since about 2009.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/ga...roduction/Cms/POLL/lzkq-dvt60ap6yb-jyggcw.gif
http://www.gallup.com/poll/161645/americans-concerns-global-warming-rise.aspx
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It's ridiculous. Global warming is not a threat to me during my lifetime, no matter I might live beyond 100. I belong to a race that has air conditioners, overeat quality food and can dislodge complete ecosystems to make room for its food production facilities. Fossil fuels guarantee my race is not threatened during my lifetime.
 
Haig said:
I have done in this PDF and it destroys the 97% concensus myth.
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Please, provide a link to anyone, even in the blogsphere, that has read it and commented extensively about its content.

I tend to avoid those books, articles and posts for people looking for a public around them, whether about electric comets, reincarnations in the astral at Ganymede or "I disprove global warming". It's not much about saving time or being unwilling to provide a critical view; it's more like not looking to the midline of strangers that suddenly open their overcoats in parks.
 
Haig said:
I have done in this PDF and it destroys the 97% concensus myth.
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Haig said:
No my friend, there is much more ... If you have ever wondered why Co2 continues to rise but the warming has plateaued it's because the Sun defines our climate and as Solar Cycle 24 passes it's maximum in a very very weak state the prediction among skeptics is for it to decline into a Solar Grand Minimum and the facts appear to be bearing that out ...

Distinguished Swedish Climate Scientist Warns Of Solar Grand Minimum … LITTLE ICE AGE In As Little As 15 Years!
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So now it's a paper published in pattern recognition physics. Do you ever check your sources Haig or is the fact that they confirm your bias enough for you?
 
Haig said:
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There are many other views if you prefer ... here is just one more to get you thinking

97% Climate Consensus ‘Most Nonsensical, Stupid Number in the World’
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It doesn't contain any analysis about any consensus. So, you're basically saying "my opinion is the truth and as proof of it I'm offering these other similar opinions".

If this is going to be a pattern, you better have your timing well about when does it become spamming. I know you haven't real arguments so trying to stay on the platform and talk and talk through links to other people's doing the same may seem a valid strategy for you ... or if not valid, something better than silence.

The problem is how are you going to do to hide that is all you have and there's only that.
 
Even by the very low standards of AGW deniers this is pathetic stuff, Haig. It's like they're not even trying any more.
 
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