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Sure they do and more and more working scientists are becoming skeptics in this debate ... see this

C(lie)mate Update - July 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S4yyQ7Ts8&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

Threatening families? The Conspiracy Forum is over there.

:rolleyes:

While the national area-averaged mean temperature anomaly for June was relatively modest at +0.46 °C, mean temperatures for the first half of the year (January–June) were the highest on record for Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria, second-highest for South Australia and fourth-highest for Tasmania and Australia nationally. The twelve-month mean temperature for the July–June (financial year) period was a solid highest-on-record for Australia, Queensland, New South Wales and South Australia. The national anomaly of +1.08 °C was 0.18 °C above the previous record (held by the period ending June 2010). The July–June year anomaly can be interesting as it provides a way of examining conditions across the warm season as a whole, which can capture the influence of signals such as El Niño and La Niña.
A late start to winter, and we just get snowfalls that are remarkable only in that we used to get snow like that much more often, now such snowfalls are rarer. That is, there are record average high anomoly temperatures being recorded, but some snow is being seen that has been seen before, not a record at all.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/summary.shtml

What a bunch of ignorant jerks.
 
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Threatening families? The Conspiracy Forum is over there.

:rolleyes:
That was a reply to this Posted by Kestrel "I often wonder if climate change deniers have ever known an actual working scientist."

Maybe this explains why ...

Blinkered thinking in academia
Universities are ‘islands of repression in a sea of freedom’
It is a sad commentary on our times that academic institutions, which should be at the vanguard of protecting free speech, appear to be, at least at some universities, to quote Abigail Thernstrom, vice-chair of the United States Commission on Civil Rights, “islands of repression in a sea of freedom.” Evidently, there are those who feel that the minds of graduates are too fragile to be exposed to controversial views. I know that is not true about Lakehead graduates.
 
Sure they do and more and more working scientists are becoming skeptics in this debate ... see this

C(lie)mate Update - July 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S4yyQ7Ts8&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

That was a reply to this Posted by Kestrel "I often wonder if climate change deniers have ever known an actual working scientist."

Maybe this explains why ...

Blinkered thinking in academia

As usual Haigh, your links aren't proof of anything that you claim. No proof that more and more scientists are becoming sceptical of AGW. Just a conspiracy theory laden YouTube link and your financial post link is a talk by a medical professor. The term scraping the bottom of the barrel comes to mind.
 
Sure they do and more and more working scientists are becoming skeptics in this debate ... see this

C(lie)mate Update - July 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S4yyQ7Ts8&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

LOL
Suspicious0bservers as a source? are you serious?

the channel is an absolute joke and the guy has no clue what he is talking about. i commented on one of his videos where he showed the RSS data from wood for trees. and to my question as to why the chooses RSS and not UAH he replied with, UAH get their data from NOAA and NASA..... LOL RSS and UAH use the same raw data from the very same satellites with one exception of sat NOAA15......

typical science denial conspiracy channel.... what do you like so much about the channel? that he confirms all your beliefs?
 

Nothing that I see in this post corresponds to anything in the discussion at hand or climate science in general. If you feel that it is relevant to the current discussion, please quote the issues you feel relevant and supply explanations for how/why you feel that this is relevant to climate science discussions.
 
Sure they do and more and more working scientists are becoming skeptics in this debate ... see this

Admittedly you don't, and how would you know about the rest of the denialsphere? :rolleyes: Or, were you thinking in the woo-prone likes you look for while speculating about electric comets and other whacko-theories?


Don't you think the video looks better with the skewed text of the Star Wars introduction? I mean, bad fiction as it is, it would look nicer.

AGW denialism, electric comet ... pick one. You're doing ugly everywhere.
 
That was a reply to this Posted by Kestrel "I often wonder if climate change deniers have ever known an actual working scientist."

Maybe this explains why ...

Blinkered thinking in academia

Then maybe you didn't notice that your replies so far tend to reinforce the perception of Kestrel. It'd never be a rhetorical question as there's a slim chance some denialist might come here having known a real scientist in any real -and non biblical- sense.

Haig, what you clearly can't do here is dropping trash or silly comments every now and then and expect that that would help whatever your understanding or position is. If you though that Kestrel's comment diminished denialists and deniers as a group, well, your replies to it really did.
 
Please define 'actual working scientist'.

Actively publishing and being heavily cited by peers, in legitimate science journals of relevant science fields, would be one of the better definitions of "actual, working, scientist."
 
...It'd never be a rhetorical question as there's a slim chance some denialist might come here having known a real scientist in any real -and non biblical- sense...

Spoilsport! I'd be pretty impressed if any of them have known -in the biblical sense- any real scientists, not that this would be unheard of, those high IQ research minxes can be quite the lab-bunnies when the conservative white coats of professional pursuit come off! :shocked:
 
An overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that the climate is changing as a result of human activity. The standard denier explanation for this is that the scientists are being paid to agree with this idea. (The motive for payment is unclear, a feature of most grand conspiracy theories). To believe this, you have to assume that almost all climate scientists are motivated mostly by money.

This may correctly describe most used car salesmen, real estate agents or bond traders, but is far from the mark for research scientists. They work in an occupation where curiosity and the search for the truth is far more important than money. And where there are great rewards for proving a commonly accepted theory is wrong.
 
This is far and away the more significant figure. Published papers.

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and global warming denialists, don't forget those.

Some of the denial spokespersons are on the payroll of fossil fuel companies with a clear financial incentive to delay any regulation of CO2 emissions. A few of these characters were at one time employed in a similar capacity denying the healh effects of smoking.

There are others that believe the forces behind the Earth's climate are too large to be altered by mankind. They are simply unwilling discard a rule of thumb they learned decades ago even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
 
What We KNOW About Climate Change - Kerry Emanuel

MIT Club of Northern California

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7so8GRCWA1k

A conservative scientist with a realistic approach to climate science understandings

Professor Kerry Emanuel has been known for his "Show me the data!" approach to climate science. In this talk, he will present a long term, evidence-driven view of Earth's climate change, culminating in a discussion of current risks and implications. An extensive audience Q&A will follow the presentation.

Professor Emanuel is an award-winning meteorologist and climate scientist and the Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT. His research focuses on tropical meteorology and climate, with a specialty in hurricane physics. Emanuel has a PhD from MIT, has been a faculty member since 1981 and has served as the Director of the Center for Meteorology and Physical Oceanography and the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans, and Climate. He is co-founder of the MIT Lorenz Center, which fosters creative approaches to fundamental science devoted to understanding how climate works.

He was named one of Time Magazine's 100 Influential People who Shape Our World in 2006. In 2007, he was elected as a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. He is an author of over 100 peer-reviewed scientific papers and two books, including What We Know about Climate Change, recently hailed by the NY Times as "... the single best thing written about climate change for a general audience."
 
Some of the denial spokespersons are on the payroll of fossil fuel companies with a clear financial incentive to delay any regulation of CO2 emissions. A few of these characters were at one time employed in a similar capacity denying the healh effects of smoking.

I suppose that is no longer true. It was, undoubtedly, but in my opinion the time it worked and they needed it has passed. The magic number is 15. Fifteen years are more than enough to get your money out of a any investment -unless it involves real states or other long term businesses, but even with a hotel you can get your money out by letting it go to pot-. I don't mean earnings, which can be little or a lot, but through depreciation -and other allowance accounts-.

Imagine the manufacturers of cylindrical pacifiers on face of the fact that their product kills. They can be close down in a minute and be left with scrap and location rental for Hollywoodish chases and shootings as their only source of income. So they decide to hire people who had a vocation for criminal law but were forced by their parents to become physicians -a much more respected profession in Tinytown and an effective social climber- and they have them using powerful fans and arguing nothing is final until the dust has settled. They fund them to do that.

By the time the product is widely acknowledged to be a serious threat for its consumers first, and for the bystanders later, all the money have moved into other businesses like gyms, health products laboratories or big retailers of home improvement and construction services, and the financing of the anti-science advocacies has fizzle out to coins.

With AGW it is happening again. By 2005 much money had been channelled to other businesses and investments diversified. Of course there's a constant menace of heavy taxation on greenhouse gas emissions so some money is still poured into anti-science. Ten millions a year is more than enough, because a hundred or a thousand millions is not going to buy them any scientific game changer. A hundred or a thousand millions are much better used in selecting a group of idiots that can still believe the same old trash so they buy their ways into the Capitol. Sounds familiar? Similar to frogs that boil, a myth that has become the picture of any tragedy in very slow motion, the people haven't realized how their political landscapes and in the end their fundamental institutions are being domesticated by vested interests.

So, AGW denialism is dumbest than ever. This thread is a tiny example of what is happening worldwide. June has been the worst month in this thread ever. A few vintage arguments reflecting the shade of sepias is very narrow, masterly depicted by Jules Galen's argumentation of mid-troposphere temperatures in models, as declared by that Hillybilly, PhD at Congress, or AlBell mixing up three concepts in a still valid question and unable or unwilling to make herself clear and open a fruitful debate. The scene is completed by a few doing voice-over and keeping the myth alive by declaring they are not convinced and they have not been reduced to silence. And nothing more.
 
So AlBell
- This is science forum.

Does CO2 trap IR?
This is an allergy test to make sure you don't suffer an auto-immune reaction.

How much CO2 does it take to raise the temperature at some signification? A bunch of deniers I've discussed with claim that if you double todays amount of CO2 the temperature would raise 1 degree, is that true?
 
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