Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Kaosium]

I would consider that suggestion to be unsupported conjecture.

The fact that Rudy had a relationship once with the family, doesn't mean it was on going at the time he was with the Milan police. On the contrary, he was pretty much on the outs with them. (I understand the mother helped him get an apartment).

I'm not saying it's unreasonable, it may have happened. But that conjecture reflects on the conversation that occurred between Milan and Perugia, the contents of that specific conversation, and my recollection is that the police officer quoted didn't know the reasons, it was just a request that they felt obliged to respond to from the Perugians.

It may have been related to the Corporalli family in some way, but there's no positive indication that's true. That's why I say it's unsupported, there's no support at the time that it actually occurred.

Whereas Moore's theory is that it is a common and familiar practice among police departments. Doesn't mean Moore is right. But that is based on field experience at least.

The issue is, why did Milan release Rudy? There has to be a reason. You can say 'there's no reason', or 'it doesn't matter'. But I think it's relevant.

My guess is the Milanese police released Rudy at the behest of the police in Perugia. I don't know why that was, but that he was an informer is not the only possibility for them giving him an easy time of it. Perhaps you know something I don't, what is the support given by Steve Moore for Rudy being an informer outside the fact he was released?

 

[RWVBWL]

You missed me. I also don't find it credible that the police recognized Rudy's rock MO. As I've commented here recently, the police were dealing with a very upsetting crime scene. Gingerly stepping around the body of a young woman brutally knifed and molested. Her mouth area showed injury of having been shoved into a wall or the floor. I can't believe anything would have held the provincial police back from immediately busting in Rudy's door if they had connected the rock MO to Rudy. If that lightbulb had lit, the flying squad would have rushed to their cars to find "that young black who threw the rock through the lawyer's office window".

One thing we know is that the Perugia police are inept in investigating crime, correctly piecing together clues, and seeing evidence right in front of their eyes.

Greetings Strozzi,
The police and medical emergency personal in Perugia were dealing with a few bloody things that day, the 1st, as far as I know, was a local blonde haired drug addict, who was apparently bloodied and screaming out loud at the quiet hour of 7:00 in the morning at the fountain. I'd luv to read the police reports and the follow up investigation of this incident, wouldn't you?

Read this story from back in 2008:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/19361399.html

A few hours later,
they were then dealing with the horrible rape and murder of a foreign college student who was knifed to death overnight.

A horrible crime that would surely tarnish the good image of Perugia, Italy
as a safe, pleasant destination for foreign tourists and students to come visit and/or study.
Gosh, the local police must have been under much pressure to solve this horrible rape and murder quickly, right?

I find it strange that there were 2 blonde hair strands found on the woman who was raped and murdered.

1 blonde hair was found near her vagina,
another blonde hair strand found, photographed and seen here:

is in her dying hands grasp.

They were both then apparently lost.

I do not believe that the wavy blonde strand found
in Miss Kercher's upraised dying hand is from the duvet laid over her.

Why?
Was the duvet just shedding grey fibers onto her genitalia or wavy fibers into her dying hand?
My opinion? That ain't a wavy fiber!

I believe it is from 1 of her killers,
whom Meredith's was trying to point to 1 who helped murder her + end her life.
Where are the results of whatever DNA that was found underneath Miss Kercher's fingernails
that you collected, Dr. Patricia Stefanoni? Surely you tested them after driving for a few hours down from Rome to collect them, right?

I guess many here do not kind this strange,
even though the Italian Courts have stated that Meredith Kercher's bloody murder had multiple assailants.

Nor do they find it strange that a bro of Rudy Guede's, in his early 20's, who testified in court while wearin' a hoodied sweatshirt, a baseball cap, and dark sunglasses, told the Court that Rudy wanted to rent his car for $250 Euro that same evening. Weird how this same guys cell phone pinged in the same area that evening Miss Kercher was raped and murdered back on the 1st of Nov. of 2007. A day that the rent was due.

Rudy Guede , what was he doin' in Miss Kercher's flat?
On a "date"? Or did he ask her to use her housemates bathroom facilities because a kabob caused him to have a personal emergency when he found out the guyz below weren't home and he couldn't use their toilet? Might he have been looking to sell Meredith some computer equipment? Or was he tryin' to steal some gear, rent $$$ +/or drug stashes?

Look,
I've been to court a few different times, to support a friend or deal personally with The Judge.
You too might have done so before, right?

Have you evere seen anyone show up to testify in front of The Judge dressed like this:
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php...peculiar_witness_gets_even_more_intreresting/
No one, not cops, witnesses nor suspects shows up to court dressed like this link shows.

What's this witness hiding from?
His identity? His blonde hair?
There's something fishy about this case we discuss.
RW

 

[Strozzi]

I think I responded in a previous post to your position here.

In a nutshell though, your assumption is that the police had no relationship with Rudy. And that the police were honestly trying to pursue the truth of the crime scene. I disagree.

Your position is that the police really believed the break-in was staged. I don't believe they thought that, I think that's a lie by the police.

I think they wanted a group crime.

Another question for you: Do you believe Knox and Sollecito were framed? If so, what's the earliest point you can identify? (I say Nov 4th at the latest).

I think it is very possible that a police officer had a relationship with Rudy, as a result of having cut him some slack for a minor crime like selling hashis. Meaning that he could be confronted when the police needed info on someone else Rudy knew. I don't think Rudy, at his age and being black, was anything other than a minor police contact or source. Rudy certainly was in no position to penetrate the Albanian or Moroccan crime gangs.

I think that the police were looking to find evidence of Amanda's connection when they looked at the storefront video, the car park video, and asked Quintavalle if he had seen Raffaele and the American girl in his store. They just found nothing there at the time. But they believed from their behavioral interpretations that she acted flighty, detached, and slutty by conservative Perugia police and prosecutor standards, and therefore was somehow related to a male who committed the murder.

I believe the police intended to develop something compromising on Amanda during the midnight interrogation, and that it had to be done that night before her mother arrived the next day. The failure to record the interrogation, or to produce the recording, was an act to frame her. To trick her to talk "spontaneously" to Mignini as notary was Mignini's effort to generate a false and misleading record, and was a step in framing her. Picking the knife at random from Raffaele's kitchen drawer was to obtain a knife, any knife, that could be portrayed to be the murder weapon. I think the police and Mignini expected the parties to turn on each other, confess, and that physical evidence would be minor or unnecessary once one or two squealed.

 

[acbytesla]

Well it's all relative -

I keep the pawnshop cash with the pawnshop and I would never risk cash flow to buy something very large. Never throw all your money on one number. We usually keep like $150,000 on hand [in case of big purchases.] Anything larger than that you’re gonna have to take a damn check.​

From Inc. Magazine

Top hit on Google "how much cash do pawn stars have on hand"

I'm sure the guy doesn't understand his own business.

Drug dealers also want cash but they front stuff all the time.

My job for close to ten years was selling for two IT brokers. At one of these companies, I managed a million dollars of inventory or money. The goal was to make the most of the money. I had a credit line of 1 million dollars but that was including the value of whatever inventory I had in stock. So on any given month, I might have 200K of purchased inventory in stock and 800k of credit line or 500k of inventory and 500k of credit line. I could buy a 1 million dollars of inventory, but there was a strong disincentive to do that. One, I couldn't buy anything more without decreasing my inventory and two, they would bill me for the inventory financing and the depreciation of anything I had in stock.

So 1 percent each month of my inventory holdings would be subtracted from my gross margin every month, So if I had sold 200K that month at a 10 percent margin, or 20K in margin dollars and I had 200K in inventory, then my margin dollar sales for that month was 18K. Then I had to pay depreciation costs. I was billed a 1 percent depreciation cost for anything in inventory for more than 15 days, 2 percent for anything 30 days and another 1 percent for every additional 15 days. (The good news is those write-offs were all recoverable if I could sell the inventory)

A great way to increase your inventory and not your cost was to get customers to let you sell it for them or put it on consignment. No carrying costs at all and the profit is all yours and really very little risk. And if you work it right, the customer hangs on to the product ready to ship and you ship it from your the consignee directly to the customer. You just tell the shipper to pick up the product elsewhere and they move it directly to your customer, so you eliminate your inbound freight costs.

But most customers really didn't want to put the product on consignment, they wanted to sell it and if I wouldn't buy it, some other broker would.
Their trust in us was limited.. Two many companies go bankrupt and too many companies don't pay on time. .

The problem with Rudy as a "fence" is he is twenty years old, he isn't "actively selling" when he doesn't have a phone or a storefront. Who wants to put their inventory on consignment with that guy? So most people are likely to make him pay up front.

 

[Grinder]

So how does this support your argument that Rudy Guede would have been a viable fence? Or have you shot yourself in the foot trying to prove me 'wrong' on an irrelevancy?

Nope just showed you don't know this subject stick to DNA . I never claimed he ran a pawn shop.

Why might that be the case for drugs but not hold as well for stolen goods?

Please. People unloading illicit goods.

I think he stole things and sold them as best he could, if you believe the same then I have totally misunderstood your argument.

I've made by position very clear.

Is that the friend/acquaintance of Rudy's who independently corroborated at least part of CT's story by saying in passing (about something else entirely) that Rudy couldn't go to Domus as he'd been banned from that bar?

Rudi went to Domus with the Spanish girls on Halloween. Why didn't anyone officially put it together? Do you have a link?

No, if you look at all the evidence together it says the police and prosecution was corrupt and incompetent because the evidence isn't what they say it is and they're overlooking the obvious solution that they 'ruled out' at the beginning of the investigation.

But you CAN'T look at each piece. It's the whole montage. That's what the PGP say about the case and what you all say about Rudi being a burglar on a crime spree.

There is no evidence as suggestive of Amanda and Raffaele being murderers as the instance in the nursery is of Rudy Guede being a thief. Nothing anywhere close, they weren't caught there in the act, they didn't have anything on them indicating they murdered anyone, they didn't have evidence of previous murders on them.

You wouldn't accept CT's evidence if it went against the kids. If a witness told a story like CT's but it implicated the kids you wouldn't buy. Imagine the story was about a prank that Raf and Amanda pulled and he later found them but never reported it until he saw their pictures in the papers.

If there was a story in one of the TCN that talked about a prank in Seattle that involved a knife etc. but there was no police report produced and no one else had the story you would be skeptical.

 

[carbonjam72]

gearing down

]I think it is very possible that a police officer had a relationship with Rudy, as a result of having cut him some slack for a minor crime like selling hashis. Meaning that he could be confronted when the police needed info on someone else Rudy knew.[/HILITE] I don't think Rudy, at his age and being black, was anything other than a minor police contact or source. Rudy certainly was in no position to penetrate the Albanian or Moroccan crime gangs.

I think that the police were looking to find evidence of Amanda's connection when they looked at the storefront video, the car park video, and asked Quintavalle if he had seen Raffaele and the American girl in his store. They just found nothing there at the time. But they believed from their behavioral interpretations that she acted flighty, detached, and slutty by conservative Perugia police and prosecutor standards.

I believe the police intended to develop something compromising on Amanda during the midnight interrogation, and that it had to be done that night before her mother arrived the next day. The failure to record the interrogation, or to produce the recording, was an act to frame her. To trick her into talking to Mignini as a notary was a firm of framing her. Picking the knife at random from Raffaele's kitchen drawer was to obtain a knife, any knife, that could be said to be the murder weapon.

On what basis do you believe "a police officer had a relationship with Rudy, as a result of having cut him some slack for a minor crime like selling hashis."?

The basis for believing Guede was an informant is based on his release from Milan police after a phone call with Perugian police. That fact was enough for Steve Moore to recognize that Rudy was probably an informant.

What type of relationship beyond that, or what that entailed, I sure don't know. But was Rudy known to the Perugians? Moore thinks he had to be. I find that plausible. But it comes from an observable fact.

Speculating about how many police knew him, or why, is pure speculation. What question does it answer?

On the framing issue, had you heard the story about Nov 4th, two days before they pulled "any knife" at random from Sollecito's kitchen, they tried to get Amanda to pick out a random knife from the cottage kitchen. Had you heard that story? I say its the same deal, if Amanda had grabbed any knife, they'd have matched that one too. So I say Nov 4th at the latest for a positive indication that the frame was on.

 

[Strozzi]

. . .
Your position is that the police really believed the break-in was staged. I don't believe they thought that, I think that's a lie by the police.

I think they wanted a group crime.

Did the police or Mignini initially believe that Meredith had arranged a date with some guy, possibly someone she met Holloween night, and that he raped and killed her? Any evidence that that is what they initially believed?

 

[acbytesla]

Right now I'm trying to figure out the USA's World Cup chances. I know off topic. But I think our chances at this moment is better than England's.

 

[Grinder]

My job for close to ten years was selling for two IT brokers. At one of these companies, I managed a million dollars of inventory or money. The goal was to make the most of the money. I had a credit line of 1 million dollars but that was including the value of whatever inventory I had in stock. So on any given month, I might have 200K of purchased inventory in stock and 800k of credit line or 500k of inventory and 500k of credit line. I could buy a 1 million dollars of inventory, but there was a strong disincentive to do that. One, I couldn't buy anything more without decreasing my inventory and two, they would bill me for the inventory financing and the depreciation of anything I had in stock.

So 1 percent each month of my inventory holdings would be subtracted from my gross margin every month, So if I had sold 200K that month at a 10 percent margin, or 20K in margin dollars and I had 200K in inventory, then my margin dollar sales for that month was 18K. Then I had to pay depreciation costs. I was billed a 1 percent depreciation cost for anything in inventory for more than 15 days, 2 percent for anything 30 days and another 1 percent for every additional 15 days. (The good news is those write-offs were all recoverable if I could sell the inventory)

A great way to increase your inventory and not your cost was to get customers to let you sell it for them or put it on consignment. No carrying costs at all and the profit is all yours and really very little risk. And if you work it right, the customer hangs on to the product ready to ship and you ship it from your the consignee directly to the customer. You just tell the shipper to pick up the product elsewhere and they move it directly to your customer, so you eliminate your inbound freight costs.

But most customers really didn't want to put the product on consignment, they wanted to sell it and if I wouldn't buy it, some other broker would.
Their trust in us was limited.. Two many companies go bankrupt and too many companies don't pay on time. .

The problem with Rudy as a "fence" is he is twenty years old, he isn't "actively selling" when he doesn't have a phone or a storefront. Who wants to put their inventory on consignment with that guy? So most people are likely to make him pay up front.

Dear god what an awful analogy.

You should have worked better terms with the suppliers. We extended our electronic purchases to net 90 and made our customers pay upfront or COD and they were major corporations. They did it because we offered great service and prices. We received those terms on drop ships which is what the method is called. We hated giving credit because they always tend to age smaller companies.

Only a fool would buy computers in quantity before having them sold knowing the steep depreciation in the sector.

Rudi, if a fence, isn't some corporation with credit lines based on receivables or chattel (always loved that term). He would be known for connections in Milan imagined or real and could move the stuff out of town.

Since the laptops had little to no value Rudi could buy them for 5 Euros (the ones he stole from CT) and sell them for 10. but the bottom line is that the crime spree meme is based on little and sketchy information but fits your assumptions and you like the narrative. Very Italian!

 

[carbonjam72]

Good point

Did the police or Mignini initially believe that Meredith had arranged a date with some guy, possibly someone she met Holloween night, and that he raped and killed her? Any evidence that that is what they initially believed?

I seem to remember hearing that the police were trying to investigate all the masked people who posed for pictures, or were in pictures with meredith on Halloween.

So I'd say yes, that's a window onto what they, the Italian police were looking into at that time.

That shows the police casting a wider net then just whoever was at the house. But I do believe the Nov 4th date of targeting Knox is firm, AFAIK.

 

[Strozzi]

On what basis do you believe "a police officer had a relationship with Rudy, as a result of having cut him some slack for a minor crime like selling hashis."?

The basis for believing Guede was an informant is based on his release from Milan police after a phone call with Perugian police. That fact was enough for Steve Moore to recognize that Rudy was probably an informant.

What type of relationship beyond that, or what that entailed, I sure don't know. But was Rudy known to the Perugians? Moore thinks he had to be. I find that plausible. But it comes from an observable fact.

Speculating about how many police knew him, or why, is pure speculation. What question does it answer?

On the framing issue, had you heard the story about Nov 4th, two days before they pulled "any knife" at random from Sollecito's kitchen, they tried to get Amanda to pick out a random knife from the cottage kitchen. Had you heard that story? I say its the same deal, if Amanda had grabbed any knife, they'd have matched that one too. So I say Nov 4th at the latest for a positive indication that the frame was on.

My belief that Rudy may have been a police informant is based on the same observable circumstances that Moore goes on. But to me, being a police informant doesn't mean that he was important or high level or reliable. Just that he had come to the attention of the police earlier, so they knew who he was, they cut him some slack or helped him out of a jam, and he or they felt he owed them a favor. In a case like that, Rudy would know whose name to mention if he was being questioned by another policeman about something. That is what being an informant means to me.

I believe that when Rudy was detained by the police in Milan, he would have told the Milan police who he is, explained his connection with the Caporeli family in Perugia, and told them that police officer X in Perugia can confirm this (vouch for him).

Neighborhood police often befriend people on their beat, including youth who may be in minor trouble, and both sides can expect some reciprocity from knowing each other.

I was not aware that when the police took Amanda to her home the day after the murder to answer questions about the cottage, including questions about the kitchen implements and knives, that they specifically asked her to pick out a knife suitable for murder. I thought the police asked Amanda and, at different times, Filomena and Laura, if they noticed any knife missing.

Giobbi was there. This was the bootie incident that Giobbi took as the move that to him was the sexually-charged hip wiggle done on Italian game shows.

This visit to the cottage was extremely upsetting to Amanda because if focused her attention to the bloody knife attack on her housemate. Amanda was in or near the kitchen when Merefith's door was broken open. She heard the shouts of "A foot" but did not see in the room. Seven people and the hallway were between her and Meredith's door, sheltering her from seeing the grisly scene. This return to the house was very upsetting. And taken wrongly by the police as an indication of guilt.

 

[Desert Fox]

The issue is, why did Milan release Rudy? There has to be a reason. You can say 'there's no reason', or 'it doesn't matter'. But I think it's relevant.

Minor crime and they are overwhelmed woudl be my argument

 

[acbytesla]

Delete

 

[acbytesla]

Dear god what an awful analogy.

You should have worked better terms with the suppliers. We extended our electronic purchases to net 90 and made our customers pay upfront or COD and they were major corporations. They did it because we offered great service and prices. We received those terms on drop ships which what the method is called.

Only a fool would buy computers in quantity before having them sold knowing the steep depreciation in the sector.

Rudi, if a fence, isn't some corporation with credit lines based on receivables or chattel (always loved that term). He would be known for connections in Milan imagined or real and could move the stuff out of town.

Since the laptops had little to no value Rudi could buy them for 5 Euros (the ones he stole from CT) and sell them for 10. but the bottom line is that the crime spree meme is based on little and sketchy information but fits your assumptions and you like the narrative. Very Italian!

I'm sorry. Rudy is twenty years old. He is a snot nosed beginner at best. It is highly unlikely that Rudy has lots of connections in Milan or any where else for that matter. He was working at a restaurant and a landscaper.

And who steals a laptop hoping to get 5 or 10 Euros? That's a hell of lot of risk for not much money.

 

[Strozzi]

Minor crime and they are overwhelmed woudl be my argument

I'll take Desert Fox's answer and add more to it as justification for why the Milan police let Rudy go:

Minor crime and they are overwhelmed. Plus a police officer in Perugia said "Yes, we know him. He didn't actually break in, did he, or resist?" "No? Good." "His foster family are upstanding citizens. They own the basketball team. Send him back here. We'll take care of it. Tell him when he gets back here to come see me".

 

[Grinder]

I'm sorry. Rudy is twenty years old. He is a snot nosed beginner at best. It is highly unlikely that Rudy has lots of connections in Milan or any where else for that matter. He was working at a restaurant and a landscaper.

And who steals a laptop hoping to get 5 or 10 Euros? That's a hell of lot of risk for not much money.

Certainly Rudi wouldn't burglar for a few dollars since he had the support of the wealthiest man or his wife in Perugia and he had just stolen 2000 Euros. So he wasn't a burglar?

Rudi had lived in Milan for some time before the restaurant he worked for went out of business.

The landscaper gig was in Perugia AFAIK.

 

[Kaosium]

Nope just showed you don't know this subject stick to DNA . I never claimed he ran a pawn shop.

No, it doesn't show that at all. If you actually think the type of pawn shop I was talking about has 150k cash on hand on a regular basis then...whatever. The typical pawn shop isn't holding $150k either, not on hand and ready at least. However the relevance of googling and finding a pawn shop that does have $150k on hand and how that relates to the argument still needs to be explained.

Please. People unloading illicit goods.

And getting nothing for it, thus all the risk of the stealing part and no reward and no incentive for the one taking the loss here to come back!

I've made by position very clear.

Not clear enough for me, I got the impression you were arguing that the plausible explanation for Rudy having the stolen goods is that he wasn't a burglar but a fence. That's an insipid position contradicted by everything else known about his habits and circumstances and the actual evidence he was a burglar.

Rudi went to Domus with the Spanish girls on Halloween. Why didn't anyone officially put it together? Do you have a link?

Maybe it wasn't Domus then and I misremembered, that would explain why no one did 'put it together.' As for where I read it I do not recall, though I did see it posted in these threads within the last six or so months, quite possibly one of the translations from Micheli. The point being made with the post wasn't about Rudy being banned either, but it was something I noted when reading what was quoted. Rudy didn't have many friends and it shouldn't be too hard to find, if I come across it again I'll make a note of it.

But you CAN'T look at each piece. It's the whole montage. That's what the PGP say about the case and what you all say about Rudi being a burglar on a crime spree.

No, the quality of the pieces matters, and Rudy being a burglar is based on a very solid foundation because of him being caught in the nursery having taken their stuff and having other people's stuff on him that had been recently stolen in his hometown some three hundred miles away. The other two incidents are less so, but being as the nursery one is rock solid it makes Rudy a prime suspect for those as well.

You wouldn't accept CT's evidence if it went against the kids. If a witness told a story like CT's but it implicated the kids you wouldn't buy. Imagine the story was about a prank that Raf and Amanda pulled and he later found them but never reported it until he saw their pictures in the papers.

I don't spend much time on CT's story, it just wouldn't surprise me if it was true because there's so much evidence Rudy was a burglar and used a knife on Meredith and grabbed one at the nursery as well.

If there was a story in one of the TCN that talked about a prank in Seattle that involved a knife etc. but there was no police report produced and no one else had the story you would be skeptical.

TCN?

For this one you have court testimony, so it's not without any foundation at all. As far as I know no one even contested this outside (possibly) Rudy's lawyer, even Mignini bought into it despite him trying to whitewash Rudy otherwise. I do hope I (or someone else) can find where that acquaintance or friend of Rudy said somewhere they couldn't go to a certain bar because Rudy had been banned from it, at the moment I'm drawing a blank as to where I read it outside it must have been posted in these threads.

 

[acbytesla]

Certainly Rudi wouldn't burglar for a few dollars since he had the support of the wealthiest man or his wife in Perugia and he had just stolen 2000 Euros. So he wasn't a burglar?

Rudi had lived in Milan for some time before the restaurant he worked for went out of business.

The landscaper gig was in Perugia AFAIK.

No he was a burglar. If Rudy had scored 2 thousand Euros in Milan from the nursery a couple of weeks earlier he might have been encouraged to commit more burglaries not less. The lure of easy money...you know.

And I'm not sure working in a restaurant in Milan qualifies as a "connection" to sell laptops. I know the landscaper gig was in Perugia. But working in a restaurant and as a landscaper doesn't offer many opportunities to develop customers for IT equipment.

 

[acbytesla]

Maybe it wasn't Domus then and I misremembered, that would explain why no one did 'put it together.' As for where I read it I do not recall, though I did see it posted in these threads within the last six or so months, quite possibly one of the translations from Micheli. The point being made with the post wasn't about Rudy being banned either, but it was something I noted when reading what was quoted. Rudy didn't have many friends and it shouldn't be too hard to find, if I come across it again I'll make a note of it.

CT worked at Merlin not Domus.

 

[RandyN]

Thanks for fishing that out, I'd actually seen that before, and thought I'd remembered reading other info on Napoleone from Nina or Candace.

Wondering if you have an opinion, and I may be in the minority on this site, but the question is could Napoleone (or Zugarini maybe) have recognized Guede's MO for breaking & entry, from the Kercher crime scene at day 1?
I am strongly in favor of this scenario, that the Perugians and Mignini knew it, or at least suspected it might be Rudy, when they first toured the crime scene.

At the latest, there was a deliberate effort to frame Knox and Sollecito by Nov 4, when the police tried to get her to pick up a knife that "might have been used" to kill Kercher.

Big issue for me, would love to get some resolution on whether people has settled into opinions on this yet.

(I'm aware of some who don't like this suggestion...)

Just found this quote from the article if it helps anyone:

('The Tough Women of The Amanda Knox Case' - Time Magazine - 9/29/2009)

"Perugia's police murder-squad chief Monica Napoleoni often sits behind Comodi. She shows up for most court sessions — even though she is not required to appear — dressed like an undercover vice cop by U.S. standards. Her Morticia Addams hair, deep tan, deeper décolletage, hot-pink baby-doll tops, stylish white jeans, high wedgies and designer totes bring a whiff of the Via Veneto into the courtroom. Napoleoni has spent her career working the surprisingly mean streets of this ancient hill town, infested with battling gangs of Albanian and Moroccan drug dealers and a plague of prostitution from international human traffickers who find it a convenient trading post. Napoleoni is occasionally accompanied by another female homicide cop, Lorena Zugarini, who is built like an East German swimmer. It was Zugarini who kicked in one of the doors of the murder house."

I doubt it actually. I think Ron Hendry had the opinion that the police could have solved the case on day 1... I disagree. Unless there is something we don't know...Perugia is small but it is not that small. 100 thousand is large enough so that a small or even medium sized active crook or drug dealer would or could easily remain under the radar.

I personally believe that if not for Guedes pal Giacomo that Guede would have never been caught. The police only used the story of detecting Guedes prints etc to make themselves look less incompetent. Once Giacomo came forward and said..."hey I think my pal Rudy is involved somehow in this death" then the police had to think fast. Unfortunately, they didn't think the whole thing through.

I have not considered if the police tried to set Knox up early on. They did open the cottage knife drawer. Did they do that for every other resident? Probably not...but these guys and girls were pretty stupid...most likely related to Mignini being in charge of the whole affair.

Mignini had a year to make up his case. He is not good at making up cases actually. Well maybe in Italy he is good enough but not in the rest of the world...and it is this puzzle that the rest of the world has not figured out yet...How can the courts do so much covering?

The DNA is defective. The computers are burned up. The interrogation is not taped but worse the defendant is denied the right to an attorney. That is never optional and yet in Italy and in this case 3 people were denied that legally required provision...AK, RS and PL. And yet little to no consequences have befallen those who knowingly ignored the law...Mignini, Napolini, that idiot from Rome...???

I think in Italy they play loose with the law and evidence and even science. No one seems to care and no one cares how foolish they look pretending to be honest.

A fairly corrupt cesspool IMHO. At least from what I have seen in the last 6 years.