Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Chris_Halkides]

The Nencini court's report is an easy target

Chris

Is it unwarranted? I haven’t posted but have scanned posts these past few weeks and the discussion has been mainly about evidence. What have I missed, what is the general consensus here as to what should appear in the appeals, aren’t the defence going to make them public?

I am not sure about the general consensus, but I think that the Nencini court has done the defense one small favor. I did not see how the defense could win in Florence without attacking the logic of the CSC's 2013 report. However, now they can attack the logic of the Nencini court, which may be palatable to the CSC. With respect to DNA, I would do so mainly on the basis of cases from Australia and New Zealand. I would try to word my arguments in terms of logic and law, rather than fact (even though it has been clear for some time that the CSC does not take its own mandate seriously).

 

[Desert Fox]

Do you have to register your office parties with the police?

Err, the second guy I mention was in an online PBEM that I was in, not a coworker. I am cannot even remember what state he lived in. One of the other gamers in the group posted the information.

The thing though is that police reports are reasonably available in different jurisdictions.

 

[NancyS]

If you don't accept the error in Nencini's motivation report, that women have "Y" chromosomes, it's hard to believe you're discussing anything in good faith.

It's a glaring error, and it serves a functional purpose in denying contamination of the bra clasp. It's not honest. It's intentionally false, and used to justify an knowingly unjust conviction. Unless you believe Nencini is that ignorant.

He's also implying that Meredith didn't have the highest standards of personal hygiene and hadn't washed her bra very recently, which you think would enrage those that are all about remembering Meredith with respect.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

conspiracy theories

Courts can't be "insolent", by definition. If anyone has unmitigated gall hereabouts it's the typically anti-authoritarian, xenophobic, and frankly sentimental pro-knox posters who would rather conjure a huge conspiracy than admit their smelly, screwed-up heroine is as guilty as sin.

Super,

I am glad that you are back. Earlier today I posted a quote from Duke Lacrosse revisionist William Cohan: "All I know is that the police believed her, District Attorney Mike Nifong believed her, and the rape nurse Tara Levicy believed her. I am convinced something happened. The question is, do you believe that all of that was made up and was all a fiction and that nothing even remotely like any of that ever happened? That it was all just made up and everyone was in on the conspiracy? Or that, as I like to say, something happened that none of us would be proud of?"

My answer to Cohan is that it is a matter of record that DA Michael Nifong conspired with Dr. Brian Meehan. So, yes, I believe that there was at least a small conspiracy in that instance. The rest may be just individuals pursuing their own agendas. All I know about the present case is that I keep wanting to shout out a sentence that ends with "pants on fire" at multiple junctures. I doubt that we will know the extent of any collusion. Much of it it probably just people seeing which way the breeze is blowing. The interesting thing about both the Duke lacrosse case and this one is that the many of the people who say that they don't believe that there was a conspiracy to convict actually do believe that a conspiracy surrounding the defense. With respect to Cohan's theory of the DL case, he seems to believe that the conspiracy included the North Carolina attorney general and others in the legal community, and Duke University to hush the case up and disbar Nifong. In the present case, there is the mythical million dollar PR supertanker which somehow bamboozled all of the major media outlets in the United States.

 

[Desert Fox]

Chris:
Do you think there was a conspiracy as far as the prosecution with the Norfolk Four and West Memphis Three?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

It is worth a second look at those cases

Chris:
Do you think there was a conspiracy as far as the prosecution with the Norfolk Four and West Memphis Three?

You know, I read a book about the Norfolk Four, and I saw a couple of documentaries with respect to the WM3, but I don't recall the details well enough to be able to form a strong opinion on either case (although it is difficult to believe that a few of the people involved in the prosecution did not know that Jessie's confession wasn't worth a hill of beans). Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence, especially when it comes to false confessions. Tulia, Texas, on the other hand, had at least two bad actors.

 

[Samson]

Having read parts of their decision, I would say that "Unmitigated gall" is a good statement. It takes liberties that should be thought as virtually criminal in any court.

I am glad you put that statement I highlighted however.
I am going to ask every pro guilt arguer this. . . .
Can you even accept the possibility of being not guilty even if extremely unlikely in your views?

A question that would elicit a careful response if their liberty was withdrawn if they get the answer wrong.

 

[Desert Fox]

A question that would elicit a careful response if their liberty was withdrawn if they get the answer wrong.

It is still beyond reasonable doubt not no doubt.

 

[Samson]

It is still beyond reasonable doubt not no doubt.

The rock was thrown from outside by Guede, the corollary is there is no doubt he was a lone wolf. However those that disagree should be required to furnish proof or be deprived of their own liberty.

 

[Desert Fox]

The rock was thrown from outside by Guede, the corollary is there is no doubt he was a lone wolf. However those that disagree should be required to furnish proof or be deprived of their own liberty.

Even without the DNA, I think in a jury I would find him guilty.
It is remotely possible some shadowy assassin killed Meredeth but I make that a pretty damn remote possibility.

 

[Samson]

The person who wrote this on pmf dot org should be required to prove this

that imaginary bogeyman, the black intruder-rapist-murderer.

or do Amanda's time.

 

[Desert Fox]

The person who wrote this on pmf dot org should be required to prove this

that imaginary bogeyman, the black intruder-rapist-murderer.

or do Amanda's time.

I know they try to minimize his involvement but trying to write RG out of it completely?

 

[Samson]

I know they try to minimize his involvement but trying to write RG out of it completely?

They are obsequious slaves to authority. Michelli said the break in was staged, after Amanda let Rudy in with her key, a lie that will persist because people have covered their ears and eyes. We are wasting time, but there seems to be no choice. Once the facts are seen, and the Kercher family's will to perpetuate the evil for monetary gain is understood, it is tough to pretend it doesn't matter.

 

[Desert Fox]

They are obsequious slaves to authority. Michelli said the break in was staged, after Amanda let Rudy in with her key, a lie that will persist because people have covered their ears and eyes. We are wasting time, but there seems to be no choice. Once the facts are seen, and the Kercher family's will to perpetuate the evil for monetary gain is understood, it is tough to pretend it doesn't matter.

Granted I have not read anything direct but I though the Kerchers were more well to do than the Knoxes.

Like to see a lawsuit in the US to get Amanda's money however. Get the information tried in a civil court outside of Italy.

 

[Samson]

Granted I have not read anything direct but I though the Kerchers were more well to do than the Knoxes.

Like to see a lawsuit in the US to get Amanda's money however. Get the information tried in a civil court outside of Italy.

I know only they are fools or evil schemers. They can decide which.

 

[RandyN]

I have always thought that Giancomo, a close friend of Guede, going to the police and saying that he thinks his friend killed Meredith is important. I assume he refused to be interviewed since I have never seen a statement from him. But it would be nice to have a date when he first contacted the police. The Skype interviews are 19 November, but he had certainly been in contact with the police before this. It would be interesting to hear why he went to the police, why he thought his friend was guilty.

Well here he is ...maybe someone in Perugia...like Frank...could track him down and ask. What amazes me about this case is the lack of curiosity by just about every reporter, news agency...even the biggies like 48 hours...

Frank tracked down Nara...big deal. Why not RG friends? This should have been quite easy and they know something I am certain. But none of this data has been mined at all.

 

[Desert Fox]

I know only they are fools or evil schemers. They can decide which.

The family of Michelle Moore-Bosko still believe Derek Tice, Danial Williams, Joseph J. Dick Jr. and Eric C. Wilson are guilty of her rape and murder.

 

[Samson]

The family of Michelle Moore-Bosko still believe Derek Tice, Danial Williams, Joseph J. Dick Jr. and Eric C. Wilson are guilty of her rape and murder.

I will check that case. It is quite unusual for there to be complete proof with electronic alibi of innocence and a known guilty party in jail as is the case here. And the victim's family is hunting as a pack. I wish they would read the science and stop wasting everyone's time. They actively joined the prosecution in appealing a verdict of innocence. Unprecedented thuggery in my opinion.

 

[Desert Fox]

I will check that case. It is quite unusual for there to be complete proof with electronic alibi of innocence and a known guilty party in jail as is the case here. And the victim's family is hunting as a pack. I wish they would read the science and stop wasting everyone's time. They actively joined the prosecution in appealing a verdict of innocence. Unprecedented thuggery in my opinion.

Interestingly, with the West Memphis Three, many family members swung over to the defense side. They seem to be the exception however.

 

[Samson]

Interestingly, with the West Memphis Three, many family members swung over to the defense side. They seem to be the exception however.

In the Scott Watson case here he claimed innocence of killing Ben Smart and Olivia Hope. Olivia's father has offered to meet him face to face but Scott won't. Why not? Olivia's father is behaving with dignity. John "I have heard all this rubbish before" Kercher is an ill mannered thug in contrast. He is not a fit person to be held in the slightest regard.