Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Samson]

An unpublished alleged article found on the PIP/FOA site with no sources or footnotes.



Guede was named a suspect by the woman whose house was burned down, we may surmise (Grinder permitting) it's Rudy's neighbor (it was her gold watch Rudy was found with in Milan), but she asked not to be named in this article by Graham.

Your assumption is that the framing is in response to the embarrassment of having arrested three wrong people (PL, AK, RS). I disagree. Mignini had troubles and reasons for making it a conspiracy before Guede got pulled into the picture, whether they recognized Guede immediately or not.

So we have two points of disagreement. Did the police recognize Guede's MO at the crime scene on day 1 (I say yes).

And secondly, did Mignini have other reasons to make the murder a group - satanic - orgy - halloween - cult murder act, rather than a lone killer, on Day 1. (I say yes here too. And so does Psychic medium Gabriella Carlizzi and her ghostly compadre Father Gabriel, the deceased Vatican priest and exorcist who provided her with 'illuminations').

And a follow-up to the second point, did Mignini act on those reasons to frame the crime as a group effort focusing on Knox, and if so, then when? (Again, I'm on board for yes, and early. The interrogations required advance planning, and the lab results are cooked).

This is the bizzare bit, the PGP seem to love that they can declare she was uninvited to the interrogation and asked to go home. But they already knew her mother was arriving and were running out of time, and they said on the 4th the killer was a woman, and I have a cite for that. Ok it must have been Sophie or Filomena.

 

[Strozzi]

You can bet that the Supreme Court back in March 2013 was sensitive to this point. It had better be careful in pulling back the curtain on DNA analysis from the police labs....

Novelli had agreed that there are protocols and recommendations, but
added that first of all the operator had to contribute his common sense (ud.
6.9.2011, p. Transcription 59.), otherwise it put in question all the DNA
analysis done from 1986 onwards.

OK, now I want to raise the issue that the manufacturer of a DNA test machine sold to a police crime lab should have some responsibility if the lab was so inept that it was misusing equipment and procedures for 28 years! it is a police crime lab using the machine to produce compromising data results against people (some of them innocent). Doesn't manufacturer bear some responsibility for anything, or can they just bury their head in the sand and look the other way?

 

[Strozzi]

This is the bizzare bit, the PGP seem to love that they can declare she was uninvited to the interrogation and asked to go home. But they already knew her mother was arriving and were running out of time, and they said on the 4th the killer was a woman, and I have a cite for that. Ok it must have been Sophie or Filomena.

Rome detective Giobbi, experienced in investigating major crimes, was sent to Rome to add his detective insight to the investigation. He was in the strategy and review sessions. He was with the police chief in the control room when Napoleoni, "Slapper" Ficara, and others (12 ? in all) interrogated Amanda late at night, rushing to develop something incriminating before her mother was to arrive the next day.

Giobb said he gave instructions to bring Amanda in for questioning that night. . The police didn't need to go out to locate her as she came along with Raffaele when he was called in. That was just a happy development for the police; it saved them a trip.

 

[RoseMontague]

Any word on the appeals? I expected them to be filed by today.

 

[Strozzi]

Grinder, I must have been asleep under a rock.

You believe that the police recognized on day 1 the broken window and rock as Rudy's MO?
(Presumably on the basis of the phone call to the Perugia police from the Milan police saying we have Rudy with a lawyer's laptop, and the Perugia police connecting Rudy to the lawyer's rock?)

ETA: Any real evidence that negroid hair was found in Meredith's grasp or around her body on day one?

In interviews with the 3 women, guys downstairs, and British women the police would have learned that Amanda worked part time for an African man. If negroid hair had been spotted/identified, the police would have made that connection immediately. If no negroid hair was seen, it would have meant nothing that her employer was African.

 

[Bill Williams]

Grinder, I must have been asleep under a rock.

You believe that the police recognized on day 1 the broken window and rock as Rudy's MO? (Presumably on the basis of the phone call to the Perugia police from the Milan police saying we have Rudy with a lawyer's laptop, and the Perugia police connecting Rudy to the lawyer's rock?)

ETA: Any real evidence that negroid hair was found in Meredith's grasp or around her body on day one?

In interviews with the 3 women, guys downstairs, and British women the police would have learned that Amanda worked part time for an African man. If negroid hair had been spotted/identified, the police would have made that connection immediately. If no negroid hair was seen, it would have meant nothing that her employer was African.

Nencini implies this. He refutes the claim that Rudy would have staged the burglary in this manner, on the grounds that the Perugians would have recognized it as Rudy's M.O.

Let's just think about that for a minute...... and there are guilters out there who claim Nencini had tightly argued evidence.

 

[RandyN]

I don't disagree with any or all of that. I think Rudy absolutely probably burglarized Ms. Diaz's home. That it wasn't thoroughly investigated isn't necessarily surprising either. That happens all the time in jurisdictions all over. I think the weight of all this points to Rudy...But I don't think we can prove it. Perhaps if the Perugian authorities had actually done their job, we might...but they didn't.

HAHAHA...

Actually, I think someone could easily prove the watch information if they gave it minimum of effort. Take a native like say...Frank. He could have looked into MS Diaz report and description of one missing gold watch. Then he could have gone to the Milan PD and requested to see the certainly seized ladies gold watch found on RG during his arrest for breaking into the nursery school ...not a trespass certainly as Grinder wants to argue...without a name and description of the key holder who let RG in then this is just the typical RG lie...how dumb can everybody be to believe anything this guy says? (Rudy not Grinder )


The police never would have found RG if his friend Giancomo had not turned him in. Not the first day and not the 100th day. Nothing except police lies leads anyone to believe that. They did not have his palm print on record from immigration files. This was a story created by police to help make the police look less foolish. Giancomo wasn't going away...they were stuck with a 4th guy...actually a 5th guy since the little mentioned friend of Lumumba... also a dirty black btw...is often forgotten but was on Perugia police radar...in fact I forget his rather odd and short name at the moment...DanO knows it.

So what else could they do with a 5th suspect now? Look like the fools they actually are? No. Lets let Mignini figure it out. LOL Good move Italy. You could not have picked a better person to represent Italy as the dumbest country on Earth. Talk about backing a mule at the Derby.

No matter. RS is screwed. AK is safe no matter what. Italy is a joke.

 

[acbytesla]

HAHAHA...

Actually, I think someone could easily prove the watch information if they gave it minimum of effort. Take a native like say...Frank. He could have looked into MS Diaz report and description of one missing gold watch. Then he could have gone to the Milan PD and requested to see the certainly seized ladies gold watch found on RG during his arrest for breaking into the nursery school ...not a trespass certainly as Grinder wants to argue...without a name and description of the key holder who let RG in then this is just the typical RG lie...how dumb can everybody be to believe anything this guy says? (Rudy not Grinder )

They could, but nobody has. I imagine that people have searched for that watch long ago....but where it is we will never know.

 

[Grinder]

This is the bizzare bit, the PGP seem to love that they can declare she was uninvited to the interrogation and asked to go home. But they already knew her mother was arriving and were running out of time, and they said on the 4th the killer was a woman, and I have a cite for that. Ok it must have been Sophie or Filomena.

They said the killer could have been a woman IIRC. I believe that she herself stated she was not ordered to the police station that night.

My money is on Sophie. Maybe I'll put it in the Book of Grinder and then people can cite it.

Tesla, police reports belong to the state not the victim. If a report was filed, it would still be there.

 

[Bill Williams]

Laugh of the day from Harry Rag....

"I've never cut and pasted misinformation."

Make sure you're sitting down when reading this.....

 

[Desert Fox]

This is the bizzare bit, the PGP seem to love that they can declare she was uninvited to the interrogation and asked to go home. But they already knew her mother was arriving and were running out of time, and they said on the 4th the killer was a woman, and I have a cite for that. Ok it must have been Sophie or Filomena.

Three in the room is already pretty strange and seems impossible not to leave any evidence. . . .Four goes yet another step beyond.

 

[Planigale]

HAHAHA...

Actually, I think someone could easily prove the watch information if they gave it minimum of effort. Take a native like say...Frank. He could have looked into MS Diaz report and description of one missing gold watch. Then he could have gone to the Milan PD and requested to see the certainly seized ladies gold watch found on RG during his arrest for breaking into the nursery school ...not a trespass certainly as Grinder wants to argue...without a name and description of the key holder who let RG in then this is just the typical RG lie...how dumb can everybody be to believe anything this guy says? (Rudy not Grinder )


The police never would have found RG if his friend Giancomo had not turned him in. Not the first day and not the 100th day. Nothing except police lies leads anyone to believe that. They did not have his palm print on record from immigration files. This was a story created by police to help make the police look less foolish. Giancomo wasn't going away...they were stuck with a 4th guy...actually a 5th guy since the little mentioned friend of Lumumba... also a dirty black btw...is often forgotten but was on Perugia police radar...in fact I forget his rather odd and short name at the moment...DanO knows it.

So what else could they do with a 5th suspect now? Look like the fools they actually are? No. Lets let Mignini figure it out. LOL Good move Italy. You could not have picked a better person to represent Italy as the dumbest country on Earth. Talk about backing a mule at the Derby.

No matter. RS is screwed. AK is safe no matter what. Italy is a joke.

I have always thought that Giancomo, a close friend of Guede, going to the police and saying that he thinks his friend killed Meredith is important. I assume he refused to be interviewed since I have never seen a statement from him. But it would be nice to have a date when he first contacted the police. The Skype interviews are 19 November, but he had certainly been in contact with the police before this. It would be interesting to hear why he went to the police, why he thought his friend was guilty.

 

[Desert Fox]

I have always thought that Giancomo, a close friend of Guede, going to the police and saying that he thinks his friend killed Meredith is important. I assume he refused to be interviewed since I have never seen a statement from him. But it would be nice to have a date when he first contacted the police. The Skype interviews are 19 November, but he had certainly been in contact with the police before this. It would be interesting to hear why he went to the police, why he thought his friend was guilty.

That is an interesting point. . . Be interesting to know what he knows

 

[Strozzi]

Nencini implies this. He refutes the claim that Rudy would have staged the burglary in this manner, on the grounds that the Perugians would have recognized it as Rudy's M.O.

Let's just think about that for a minute...... and there are guilters out there who claim Nencini had tightly argued evidence.

Was any police testimony or prosecution statement introduced in court that the police recognized the rock break-in as Rudy's MO, or is Nencini just inventing it to make the Perugian police look smart on day 1?

 

[Bill Williams]

Was any police testimony or prosecution statement introduced in court that the police recognized the rock break-in as Rudy's MO, or is Nencini just inventing it to make the Perugian police look smart on day 1?

None of the above.

Nencini is trying to refute the reality of the break-in, as well as any notion that it would have been Rudy himself who would have staged a break-in. Presumably, the thought that Rudy might have been let in by Meredith, then Rudy killed her, then Rudy as a lone-attacker staged a break-in to divert attention from it being someone "known to have had a date with Meredith" is ludicrous to Nencini.

Nencini is of the opinion that it was Knox who let Rudy in, but that Rudy's presence was otherwise not bothersome initially to Meredith either.

Nencini combines this with his unique notion that Rudy was a professional burglar. No one else views Rudy that way, and most certainly neither Mignini in Perugia nor Crini in Florence entered that notion into evidence - even as one of their famed, "it is probable that's......" Nencini just makes it up.

So, Nencini sees Rudy as a professional, and as one would have had facility to come in through the front door, locked or not locked, and would not have staged a break-in to divert an investigation from a planned encounter with Meredith, because, Nencini says, that style of break-in was known to the Perugians to be Rudy's method.

Are you confused yet?

Nencini, though, defaults to the other strange notion..... that it was Amanda Knox who both staged a break-in in a manner seemingly to point to someone like Rudy, THEN Amanda counter-intuitively named Lumumba at interrogation. This begs the question of why go to all that trouble only to do a double reverse!?

But the short answer to your question is that Nencini just invented all this. No one has ever claimed that the Perugians recognized this as Rudy's method - although given his antics in Milan, perhaps they should have!

 

[Desert Fox]

Nencini, though, defaults to the other strange notion..... that it was Amanda Knox who both staged a break-in in a manner seemingly to point to someone like Rudy, THEN Amanda counter-intuitively named Lumumba at interrogation. This begs the question of why go to all that trouble only to do a double reverse!?

Combine this with the way that it is suggested that she clean up evidence of herself and Raffaele yet leaves evidence of Rudy yet still points to Patrick. If she left the evidence of Rudy, she would have pointed to him in the first place.

If she did not want to implicate herself, maybe suggest that she had seen him hanging around by her cottage and other suspicious activity.

 

[Strozzi]

. . .
Are you confused yet? . . .

Yes, i am confused. Will Mignini tap Nencini's phone in Florence to learn who paid this double-rock swapping judge to slander the good Perugia police? Maybe I should just go read TJMK to understand this case.

 

[Samson]

They said the killer could have been a woman IIRC. I believe that she herself stated she was not ordered to the police station that night.

My money is on Sophie. Maybe I'll put it in the Book of Grinder and then people can cite it.

Tesla, police reports belong to the state not the victim. If a report was filed, it would still be there.

You are correct, I exaggerated to be corrected, which probably is an infraction. I always assume when a woman is knifed to death here that another woman did it. I am waiting patiently for a real life example.

 

[Samson]

Laugh of the day from Harry Rag....

"I've never cut and pasted misinformation."

Make sure you're sitting down when reading this.....

Heh (by the way is this spelling correct?)
You clearly avoided this
afternoon delight


Thanks to all those people who turned up on Ground Report this evening and destroyed the silly arguments of the FOA lunatics. They got wiped out.
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[CoulsdonUK]

Any word on the appeals? I expected them to be filed by today.

I have been looking for any information relating to either defence teams lodging their appeals without success, I thought the defence had X days after the publication of the Florence motivations to register their appeals?