AE911Truth's Shaky Moral Foundation ?

[DaveThomasNMSR]

Normally I wouldn't give a lot of credence to alt-med, pro-Truther sites, but this article by Sarah C. Corriher of "Health Wyze," if true, really blows the lid off of the infighting and acrimony within Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

While Corriher is pro-Truther, she is very much anti-Gage. I can't post the lengthy article in toto, so here are a few blockbuster snippets to whet your appetite:

We reported about Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (ae911truth.org) in episode 16 of our audio reports. We worked for them as their systems administrators for almost two years. As a high-level administrator inside the organization, I witnessed a stunning degree of mismanagement and I was privy to everything; including the stuff that nobody was supposed to see.

In a sense, this aspect of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth may be the most troubling one for some individuals, because a non-profit organization (501c3) isn't supposed to have secret agendas or spend its money in a manner that is not disclosed to anyone, including the very people who are donating to the "charity". Out of a sense of (perhaps misplaced) loyalty to people who were formerly our friends, we are avoiding reporting more about this topic.

On February 25th, 2012, Richard Gage, AIA, and Kevin Ryan from AE911Truth's Board of Directors gave dual presentations at the annual Nation of Islam's "Savior's Day" convention. Kevin naturally pretended to be completely independent of A&E, as if he were not a member of its secretive Board of Directors, and instead he claimed to be representing "The Journal of 9/11 Studies". Oops, we outed somebody else.

Several long-standing members of AE911Truth left the organization when its Board decreed that AE911Truth would be publicly capitulating with the Nation of Islam. The management unashamedly discarded these members, including one of their most renowned experts, David Chandler, for the sake of prostituting the organization for Nation of Islam donations, which are extremely unlikely to ever materialize.

AE911Truth's new partner, Nation of Islam, is an all-black, racist and anti-semetic organization that claims to be Islamic, but they warp the Koran to fit their own hate-inspired agenda. ...

The fact that AE911Truth is willing to associate with them, and to sacrifice what remains of its principles for the tiny chance of getting a little more cash is truly disturbing, and it should seal the organization's fate.

AE911truth is strictly opposed to any alternate theory regarding what happened to the towers.

The topic of the pentagon is forbidden.

The group stalks Judy Wood online, so that they can mount a defense to any of her appearances or videos. Shutting up Judy Wood is an obsession of theirs.They also carefully censor their own videos online, to make sure that there are no negative comments about them, or any alternate theories.

On a couple of occasions, We Are Change groups invited Richard to speak at their meetings, then asked him questions on topics that he refused to confront. Such groups were then placed on a list of locations that Richard would subsequently avoid.

The organization resists all attempts to actually accomplish anything. It is as if they exist without any purpose, other than to be self-perpetuating. For instance, when it was suggested that they reach out to senators, that idea was shot down, and nothing was done. Similar attempts at outreach went in the same direction. Richard stated to us that all that really mattered was that everyone was happy, regardless of the dismal results of the organization. Of course, he neglected to mention this to his donors.

The group refuses to state what it does with its funding, and fundraising appears to be its core operation.

FWIW, Chandler is still listed as a Supporter of AE911Truth. Can anyone verify that he's broken away from Gage's group?

 

[pgimeno]

Whoa.

Expect cult followers to look the other way and pretend nothing is happening there.

ETA: It's from 2012 actually, so they already have.

Archived copies at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/...foundation-that-ae911truth-is-built-upon.html and http://www.webcitation.org/query?ur...ae911truth-is-built-upon.html&date=2014-06-03, should it mysteriously disappear like Shaddock's curriculum.

 

[sts60]

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[NoahFence]

More evidence to support my assertion that the world would be better off without Richard Gage in it.

Hopefully we can heal the Mountain and get him on it, as that's the fate I'd like to see for Gage.

 

[gerrycan]

Normally I wouldn't give a lot of credence to alt-med, pro-Truther sites, but this article by Sarah C. Corriher of "Health Wyze," if true, really blows the lid off of the infighting and acrimony within Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

While Corriher is pro-Truther, she is very much anti-Gage. I can't post the lengthy article in toto, so here are a few blockbuster snippets to whet your appetite:



FWIW, Chandler is still listed as a Supporter of AE911Truth. Can anyone verify that he's broken away from Gage's group?

I don't speak for AE911, and neither do I have insider knowledge of their decisions, and even I know how far off the mark you are with this one Dave.
Did you run out of steel wool or something?

 

[NoahFence]

I don't speak for AE911, and neither do I have insider knowledge of their decisions, and even I know how far off the mark you are with this one Dave.
Did you run out of steel wool or something?

How can someone be off the mark by asking a question?

 

[beachnut]

I don't speak for AE911, and neither do I have insider knowledge of their decisions, and even I know how far off the mark you are with this one Dave.
Did you run out of steel wool or something?

What a weak attack. You should be presenting evidence to support all your silly 911 truth claims of woo, you are stuck with super weak attacks.

You can't support Gage, as he travels on a budget of 500k/yr, while you get nothing for supporting lies from 911 and spreading false information about the fantasy of CD. Gage wins by default, he found a way to get money by fooling people who can't think for themselves, his followers who believe in CD and thermite based on faith.

You spread lies for free, Gage makes 500k/yr. Why can't you make money like Gage does, are your lies not as good.

 

[kid meatball]

I don't speak for AE911, and neither do I have insider knowledge of their decisions, and even I know how far off the mark you are with this one Dave.
Did you run out of steel wool or something?

He's not the one making the allegations. He qualifies the "blow the lid off" with the italicized, if true.

 

[carlitos]

This part is self-evident.

The organization resists all attempts to actually accomplish anything. It is as if they exist without any purpose, other than to be self-perpetuating. For instance, when it was suggested that they reach out to senators, that idea was shot down, and nothing was done. Similar attempts at outreach went in the same direction. Richard stated to us that all that really mattered was that everyone was happy, regardless of the dismal results of the organization. Of course, he neglected to mention this to his donors.

As for the author of the piece, she comes across as more than a little bit paranoid. Government infiltrators from Homeland Security on Gage's board? A guy dying from blood clots is a "suspicious" death?

 

[pgimeno]

He's not the one making the allegations. He qualifies the "blow the lid off" with the italicized, if true.

Yeah, gerrycan specializes in putting words in others' mouths that they never said. He's the king of strawmen.

 

[JSanderO]

I had the experience of being a volunteer for AE911T and then rather quicklyu made a board member in late 2009. I was only a volunteer for a few months at most. Gage wanted me on his board because I was an senior NY architect.

I immediately ran into trouble. When I began as I volunteer I was trying to help Gage organize his group. It had none... no mission statement, no "business plans", no org chart and so on. It was very insular and Gage held all the power, controlled the funds with Tom Spellman... The whole thing from the inside was not what people on the outside thought/think is was/is. I got involved because I was genuinely interested in understand how the building came down.. and I thought architects and engineers might explain it.

I asked a lot of questions and pointed out some bad thinking in their bullet points. AE was not interested in explain the collapses... and not interested in being factually accurate. Most of the bullet points are incorrect or mean nothing and certainly not what they claim they do.

I was asked to sign a statement that I believed nano thermite was used to destroy the towers. I refused. I saw a lot of dirty laundry and was rather quickly ejected from the board and the group in a manner which was not consistent with their own bylaws... SO they held a secret board meeting which i was not at... brought in Kevin Ryan to pack the vote and at the next meeting first agenda item I was tossed out.

AE911T is a really a scam... a cult and Gage has himself a new career, pays himself way more than he could make or did make in the private sector. They do no research.. they exist to to exist and make money to fund Gage.

I don't understand how they've managed to survive as long as they have maintaining the apparently credibility that they do without being "demolished" for the scammery. I was accused of being a spy, a CIA plant.. a cognitive infiltrator and more. What a pathetic operation.

I left them, did my own research and satisfied my curiosity about how those buildings collapsed. The actual details of the mechanism(s) will likely remain unknown with certainty because of the lack of data. But it's clear that those fire, mech damage and those designs meant they were doomed. The details are naval gazing and a waste of time as far as I am concerned. All models and theories are built on too m ay assumptions and too little data... so the debate may never end.

Did NIST make mistakes? Sure they did. Does it matter? Probably not because the fact remains that 19 nuts flew planes into those towers and fire and mech damage and those rather unusual designs were not able to resist. Probably most ardent supporters and leaders believe their own prattle or are so invested in it that they can't back down. A few realize the truthers have nothing and just go away and get on with their lives. And a few remain to debate the fanatics.

Not much will change. Gage needs to be exposed for what a faker he is.

And this suits Gage and the few who are milking this for ego and cash. Of course there are people who are simply not trusting the gov and so they will go with those who claim the gov pulled one over on them. Most of these people are not technically competent to know the physics or the engineering issues on even a basic level. They are easily swayed by Gage's marketing and PR. And this is no different from the old snake oil salesmen selling nothing.

I believe they've cooked their books, likely violated financial laws/ tax reporting and so forth... but they are so insignificant no one wants to waste the resources to shut them down... and ironically it would reinforce the paranoia of the truthers. Judy Wood is clearly a loose canon and all sorts of nut surface with bizarre theories which truthers seem to think of as the next best thing to sliced bread.

 

[jaydeehess]

Several long-standing members of AE911Truth left the organization when its Board decreed that AE911Truth would be publicly capitulating with the Nation of Islam.

I don't think that word means what she thinks it means.

 

[beachnut]

one of their most renowned experts, David Chandler,

911 truth followers attacking 911 truth followers and frauds, and they think a 911 truth nut is an expert.

That is shaky

 

[ozeco41]

I had the experience of being a volunteer for AE911T and then rather quicklyu made a board member in late 2009. I was only a volunteer for a few months at most. Gage wanted me on his board because I was an senior NY architect.

I immediately ran into trouble. When I began as I volunteer I was trying to help Gage organize his group. It had none... no mission statement, no "business plans", no org chart and so on. It was very insular and Gage held all the power, controlled the funds with Tom Spellman... The whole thing from the inside was not what people on the outside thought/think is was/is. I got involved because I was genuinely interested in understand how the building came down.. and I thought architects and engineers might explain it.

I asked a lot of questions and pointed out some bad thinking in their bullet points. AE was not interested in explain the collapses... and not interested in being factually accurate. Most of the bullet points are incorrect or mean nothing and certainly not what they claim they do.

I was asked to sign a statement that I believed nano thermite was used to destroy the towers. I refused. I saw a lot of dirty laundry and was rather quickly ejected from the board and the group in a manner which was not consistent with their own bylaws... SO they held a secret board meeting which i was not at... brought in Kevin Ryan to pack the vote and at the next meeting first agenda item I was tossed out.

AE911T is a really a scam... a cult and Gage has himself a new career, pays himself way more than he could make or did make in the private sector. They do no research.. they exist to to exist and make money to fund Gage.

I don't understand how they've managed to survive as long as they have maintaining the apparently credibility that they do without being "demolished" for the scammery. I was accused of being a spy, a CIA plant.. a cognitive infiltrator and more. What a pathetic operation.

I left them, did my own research and satisfied my curiosity about how those buildings collapsed. The actual details of the mechanism(s) will likely remain unknown with certainty because of the lack of data. But it's clear that those fire, mech damage and those designs meant they were doomed. The details are naval gazing and a waste of time as far as I am concerned. All models and theories are built on too m ay assumptions and too little data... so the debate may never end.

Did NIST make mistakes? Sure they did. Does it matter? Probably not because the fact remains that 19 nuts flew planes into those towers and fire and mech damage and those rather unusual designs were not able to resist. Probably most ardent supporters and leaders believe their own prattle or are so invested in it that they can't back down. A few realize the truthers have nothing and just go away and get on with their lives. And a few remain to debate the fanatics.

Not much will change. Gage needs to be exposed for what a faker he is.

And this suits Gage and the few who are milking this for ego and cash. Of course there are people who are simply not trusting the gov and so they will go with those who claim the gov pulled one over on them. Most of these people are not technically competent to know the physics or the engineering issues on even a basic level. They are easily swayed by Gage's marketing and PR. And this is no different from the old snake oil salesmen selling nothing.

I believe they've cooked their books, likely violated financial laws/ tax reporting and so forth... but they are so insignificant no one wants to waste the resources to shut them down... and ironically it would reinforce the paranoia of the truthers. Judy Wood is clearly a loose canon and all sorts of nut surface with bizarre theories which truthers seem to think of as the next best thing to sliced bread.

Well said - again - Sander. And a valuable contribution to this thread.

 

[JSanderO]

Sorry about the typos.... did not proof before pressing send... You get the points though.

 

[Redwood]

Looks to me like SOP for Konspiracy Kults, all turning on each other in fits of paranoia. The Obama Birthers have come to an ignominious end with one of their "stars" accusing other birthers of being part of the "forgery team". The Sandy Hook Truthers are turning on each other, too. And of course the 9-11 Truthers have had many splits in the past, going back to the Fetzer-Jones split of 2005.

 

[BenBurch]

Looks to me like a SEC and IRS criminal investigation are needed here. I will file the needed complaints.

 

[ozeco41]

Sorry about the typos.... did not proof before pressing send... You get the points though.

You are safe - provided only those of us who are without sins of typing are the ones to throw the first stones. (I think I have plagiarised that theme from somewhere. )

 

[Sceptic-PK]

I'm more than happy for Gage etc to continue ripping off their supporters. Might teach them a lesson.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Nice find, DaveNMSR! Thanks for sharing it.

Looks to me like a SEC and IRS criminal investigation are needed here. I will file the needed complaints.

Keep us posted how you go.