scarlettinlondon
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Well it is. But I can't tell you before the results surely. I used a hash thingy in a sentence to encode it
Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?
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scarlettinlondon
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Just like nay sayer did. And you aren't getting on to them.
Michel H,
Once again. you should ask what your purpose is for doing this "test."
You appear to be convinced that you broadcast your thoughts to others, even when prior tests have failed, so there is no point for you to do another "test."
You will not convince the other people on the Forum, given the problems they have pointed out with your methodology. So there is no point for them to do another "test." After the last one, I even doubt that you will get any serious participation, even the small participation that occurred last time.
Just save everyone the effort and forget it. Thanks!
Once again. you should ask what your purpose is for doing this "test."
You appear to be convinced that you broadcast your thoughts to others, even when prior tests have failed, so there is no point for you to do another "test."
You will not convince the other people on the Forum, given the problems they have pointed out with your methodology. So there is no point for them to do another "test." After the last one, I even doubt that you will get any serious participation, even the small participation that occurred last time.
Just save everyone the effort and forget it. Thanks!
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
He will not convince us that we can read his thoughts, given that we already know perfectly well we cannot read his thoughts. His object is to get some evidence that we can read his thoughts even though we deny it.
A reminder: Michel is a diagnosed schizophrenic who refuses to accept that his perception that others can hear his thoughts is a symptom of his illness. He's convinced that everybody can hear them, and is lying when they say they can't. He thinks that in a test like this some people will continue to lie (i.e. deliberately give the wrong number) but others will be unable to resist giving the right number. He believes he can tell which are which, hence the "credibility rating" nonsense. No matter what results he gets in his tests he always finds a way to interpret them that enables him to retain his delusion.
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
Even if you are not quite sure, I would like to receive one of the ten possible answers: 1, 2, ..., 9, 10 from you (and also, from any member of this forum btw). If you really have no idea at all, then please answer "I don't know". You don't need to post a hash in this test. The same applies to Nay_Sayer, who also posted a hash, in post 1535.
turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
Michel, what objective method are you using to distinguish, in your statistical analysis, between people who are actually receiving your number, and those who are simply guessing correctly at it? After all, if you assume that all (or any part) of the correct responses are received from your transmissions, and not wild guesses, then aren't you just assuming what you need to prove?
And I hope you're not counting "I don't know" as one of the possibilities in computing your stats; unless the number you wrote down was "I don't know," that's a non-answer, separate from what you should be counting in your statistical set (except as a miss).
And I hope you're not counting "I don't know" as one of the possibilities in computing your stats; unless the number you wrote down was "I don't know," that's a non-answer, separate from what you should be counting in your statistical set (except as a miss).
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Akhenaten
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Of course you would.
Because if enough people actually post numbers in that range then someone is bound to pick your special number and then all you have to do is discount every other submission due to low credibility and declare a 100% success.
Do you really think we were all born yesterday? Do you think that all of the objections to your previous tests have somehow been forgotten? Are you totally unaware that your own CR has been more-or-less assessed as -1000?
That group would include about 7 billion people. I can't help but think that's going to impact on your hit/miss ratio.
We don't need to do anything at all, as it happens.
Are you anywhere near realising how much trouble you might have saved yourself if you'd given this hash nonsense a big miss from the outset?
Akhenaten
Heretic Pharaoh
Depends.
If either 2 or 7 matches Michel's number then it will count as a hit.
If neither is correct then you get a CR of -10 because your answer wasn't positive enough.
Well, that's a tough question. In such a case, I think it would be better to say that you "can't make up my mind between 2 or 7", rather than just "don't know". In this way, you would preserve some possible information better.
Akhenaten
Heretic Pharaoh
Now the choices have expanded to "all the numbers between 1 and 10", "I don't know" and "some combination of the numbers between 1 and 10".
Any more options that we should know about?
turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
(Shrug) Looks like Internet cold-reading to me. Though I'm pretty sure that even John Edward hasn't gone so far as to convince himself with his own technique.
TheSapient
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This brings up an important question. What is the purpose of these tests? If the underlying assumption is that everyone, Michel and the public, knows that Michel is projecting his thoughts into everyone's heads, and everyone is just pretending not to hear, who is he trying to convince? He is already convinced. He believes we are already convinced.
So why are we doing this?
TheSapient
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What if we are clearly getting a number, but it is outside of your 1-10 specification?
Well, in that case, feel free to say it. It could perhaps be related to the actual target number, or perhaps make some sense, have some significance in some other way.
turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
Michel? Any chance of you addressing this?
Surely you would accept that, human nature being what it is, some folks who are responding with numbers are simply guessing at your target? And, further, that given your ridiculously small sample set and the law of averages, some of those guesses will be correct ones? Without an objective way to distinguish between those who are receiving from you your target number, and those who are only stabbing in the dark at it, your test is meaningless. And if you refuse to recognize, or allow for, the distinction, then you're just assuming whatever it is you're trying to prove by the test- so, again, it's a worthless test (except insofar as it may have any worth to you subjectively).
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Beats me.
Any small hope I had that by co-operating with his tests we could eventually convince him that we're not lying when we say we can't hear his thoughts was lost long ago; it's clear he will never accept a negative result, he'll always find a way to spin whatever result he gets to maintain his delusion.
Akhenaten
Heretic Pharaoh
The list of valid answers for this test is growing exponentially. So far we have:
- any of the numbers between 1 and 10,
- any number that may be mathematically derived from the numbers between 1 and 10,
- any number that may graphically resemble a number between 1 and 10,
- any combination of the numbers between 1 and 10,
- any number, and
- "I don't know".
I reckon we'll get a few hits.
Jack by the hedge
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Without wanting to hijack Michel's thread, I'll just borrow it for a moment to say that the prize I offered previously in the thread is still unclaimed.
Open to anyone, including Michel: to win the telepathy-doesn't-exist challenge you need only be the first person to ring me on my mobile number - the phone number I'm staring at right now - and greet me with the code word I'm staring at right now and I promise I will send you one thousand pounds sterling.
Thank you. We now return you to the usual stuff.
Open to anyone, including Michel: to win the telepathy-doesn't-exist challenge you need only be the first person to ring me on my mobile number - the phone number I'm staring at right now - and greet me with the code word I'm staring at right now and I promise I will send you one thousand pounds sterling.
Thank you. We now return you to the usual stuff.
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