Right. I have no idea if "mopa" exists in Argentina or Mexico, but it apparently exists in Spain.
▶ Limpieza.com La mopa plana de fregar - YouTube
Specially the part "With High Tech system, everyone cleans up!" (sic, that is "IN ENGLISH!")
I told you it was from commercial origin and mainly done by foreigners, but you had to ignore it to make you look right. So basically the link is just shinola, a term that I wouldn't find in an English dictionary with this or any other meaning, but a term that you're old enough to understand what I meant by it. "Mopo" or "mopa" are extremely less Spanish words than shinola is an English one.
And it's obvious that no one would likely say "Mopeo con la mopa." That's just some silly straw man argument.
The typical malafide argument done by many posters in randi.org: Creating a strawman by saying something was a strawman. Let's look at it in detail: I crystal clearly said:
If you say "mopeo con la mopa/el mop" people would think that you've just made up a noun in one side of la charca/el charco, while others would think you've just made up a verb in the opposite site. Or they'd say you made up the whole sentence in most of the Spanish speaking world, including lots of people in Spain and Mexico.
and it was clearly offered as an example of parts of it not being recognized by native speakers and not as a whole caricaturization, which it wouldn't be.
Your ignorance of Spanish language extends way beyond your own admission, as Spanish abhors redundancy but much more abhors lack of clarity. For years I've been saying to workers and students "paleo con la pala, no con la vizcachera". So, not only you concocted a strawman, but a ridiculous one.
The point is, as you know, it doesn't matter what the example is, it is a phonological principle that is being explained. Phonological rules would work equally well with nonsense words, which is of course done when testing children for early language learning skills. If the rule doesn't generate the correct output, just change it.
Hlafordlaes, I'll try to remain in the discussion, but I'm not enjoying the noise. Hopefully, aleCcowaN might decide to knock off the unimpressive juvenile comments and read what we have written. He just might learn something.
Don't worry, I was expecting to learn something many posts ago, but the increasing number of mistakes involving the parts I know made necessary to distrust everything else. Specially when errors pointed at you are replied with cockyness and more errors instead of amends, and now with a set-up of the fallacious kind and diminishing adjectivation. Everything following a pattern very common in forums.randi.org: somebody invents an identity or exaggerates knowledge or abilities -for instance, by placing him or herself in the middle of some experience he or she watched from its fringes or was told about- and when caught doing that, he or she starts a verbal dance that resembles two cats who hate each other bumping into each other by the park.
I have no problem following linguistics. But I admit the difference between those rules possible in English and those possible in Spanish. In fact, when I travelled Italy without knowing a bit of Italian but a bunch of Buenos Aires' slang words and a few phrases heard in the streets or read in my "Let's go", I had to use all what I know about it to communicate. Some 80% of the times it did the trick, and 20% of times I made mistakes, some of them very funny, and fortunately none of the embarrassing (I would, had I be given enough time ...).
A typical anecdote have me trying to figure out how to ask a one bed room at a hotel. I didn't know the Italian word for "bed", so I started to think. Is it "cama", as in Spanish? "Camma"? No, it sounds un-Italian. How it is said in French? Lit. Is there a similar word in Spanish? Yes, lecho. And then I thought, lecho, lit, a regular derivation from Latin: leche, lait, latte! (who doesn't know what
latte is?), so I thought lecho, lit, letto, and said "letto" which did the trick. A couple of years later I was watching an Italian movie and heard "vai letto", with a "go to bed" in the subtitle. It was my the confirmation.
Philology has been one of my many intellectual interest for years, so don't think I haven't read about what you are talking about. Not enough to expose about the subject in and using English, but I can still spot what the real deal is.
