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Seven dead in drive by California shootings

Misogyny and mental illness are not mutually exclusive as contributing factors.

Guess what people? They can both be causes :jaw-dropp

Anyone denying he has any mental disorder is an idiot. We all saw the youtube where he talks like a cartoon villain right? Do normal people vent like this? He had delusions and extremely irrational thinking. And don't get me started on his narcissism. It's like a 7 year old who just learned what the word "narcissism" meant could make a correct diagnosis. It was that obvious.

And this guy hated women. They were worthless sluts to him only meant to be his sex slaves. They were meant to be his objects like his BMW. Guys like him, having the mentality of friendzones being a bad thing, are pretty much saying a woman's friendship isn't good enough for him. Women aren't good enough to appreciate as they are and for their minds. You all saw the video there too right? How degrading he is towards women.

And yes some digging and you can find out this guy was a racist too.


Basically, he is the biggest butthole *censored version* the world has ever seen cause he exhibits almost everything I find distasteful. If he was an anti-vaccer Scientology-loving Creationist who plays Farmville, he'd have been the devil himself.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
One of the victims' fathers has released an official statement, where he blames his son's death on "craven politicians" and "the NRA".
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I watched that video and it is heart wrenching to see. I would say that he is making political hay if he was not one of the people (other than those stabbed/shot) who was most affected by the events.

Ranb
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Countries with gun bans have much lower homicide rates than ones that don't, right? How do pro-gun folks explain this?
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Cain said:
Thank goodness they live right next door to the U.S. If they didn't have access to guns, their government would become corrupt.
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So Canada and Mexico lack the same access to firearms from the USA? Surely there is some other forces in play other than sharing a border with the USA and their national gun laws?

Ranb
 
Cain said:
Knives are so effective -- such high kill ratios -- it's a wonder anyone would even bother to use a gun.
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Simple.

Knives are personal, so not used as much. Guns are for COWARDS, which makes up a sizeable percentage of our "great" nation.

Ergo - more gun violence.
 
But the words and images of Mr. Martinez blaming “the proliferation of guns”, lobbyists, politicians, etc.; will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left.

As a father, husband and a man, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I will stand up for that right vehemently. Please believe me, as a father I share your grief and I will pray for you and your family, as I do whenever I hear about senseless tragedies such as this.

We still have the Right to Bear Arms and I intend to continue to speak out for that right, and against those who would restrict it – even in the face of this horrible incident by this sad and insane individual. I almost said “Obama Voter” but I’m waiting for it to be official.

I noticed the mainstream media have stopped the practice of immediately reporting the psycho maniac is a conservative Tea Party Republican Christian. Guess they’re sick of having to hide being wrong every time when it comes out the whacko votes Democrat?
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- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...my-constitutional-rights#sthash.IIbHgYlU.dpuf
 
Morrigan said:
He despised men who had sex with women because they had what he didn't. He was jealous, not misandrist. He certainly was a racist though.
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You spent a bunch of time explaining how quibbling over the distinction between misogyny and sexism/chauvinism distracted from the important issues, and yet here you are, quibbling over the distinction between misandry and Rodger's hatred of all these men. That's a little ironic, especially since, at the end of the day, Rodger killed twice as many men as women.

I won't begrudge you the use of the label misogynist to describe him, but to deny the use of misandrist by others as an additional description is unfair. You can call it jealousy, and it was that too, but he still hated men for being, well, men. How is that not misandry?
 
Ziggurat said:
I won't begrudge you the use of the label misogynist to describe him, but to deny the use of misandrist by others as an additional description is unfair. You can call it jealousy, and it was that too, but he still hated men for being, well, men. How is that not misandry?
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Particularly since he didn't confine his hatred to sexually successful men (as he perceived that to mean)...from his writings he hated "beta" or "incel" men as well.

Not sure this guy was either a misogynist or a misandrist - seems like if you had genitals of some kind that you might or might not have used for sexual purposes sometimes or always or never, he pretty much wanted to kill you.
 
Ziggurat said:
I won't begrudge you the use of the label misogynist to describe him, but to deny the use of misandrist by others as an additional description is unfair. You can call it jealousy, and it was that too, but he still hated men for being, well, men. How is that not misandry?
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He hated men who had pleasurable lives that he could not.

You may have missed it, but his world-domination fantasy involved killing all the women so that the men of humanity could be rescued into a world free of knowledge of women and sex, in which he believed humanity could advance farther than ever before.

An intellectually honest reading of his diary makes it evident that his hatred of sexually active men was mostly an afterthought and based on their lives of happiness, not the fact that they were men. Unlike women who were "beasts" that "don't deserve rights". As I posted earlier, he explicitly states that his hatred of women was worse.

Again, it flabbergasts me that one can read a >100 page rant about the evils of women, then point out that it includes a paragraph or two of "and the guys they sleep with instead of me" and say that the document shows that "he hated men just as much".
 
Checkmite said:
He hated men who had pleasurable lives that he could not.
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But why were they having pleasurable lives that he could not? Because they were men, doing what men do, not just physically large but emotionally stunted children like he was.

You may have missed it, but his world-domination fantasy involved killing all the women so that the men of humanity could be rescued into a world free of knowledge of women and sex, in which he believed humanity could advance farther than ever before.
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And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.

An intellectually honest reading of his diary makes it evident that his hatred of sexually active men was mostly an afterthought and based on their lives of happiness, not the fact that they were men. Unlike women who were "beasts" that "don't deserve rights". As I posted earlier, he explicitly states that his hatred of women was worse.
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And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.

Again, it flabbergasts me that one can read a >100 page rant about the evils of women, then point out that it includes a paragraph or two of "and the guys they sleep with instead of me" and say that the document shows that "he hated men just as much".
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It flabbergasts me that one can listen to the self-serving, self-justifying rants of a pathologically narcissistic killer and not pay attention to his actual victims.

Plus, of course, that quote isn't what I said.
 
Ziggurat said:
And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.
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To be fair we don't know what would have happened if he wasn't stopped. He had lots of ammo. He said that he wanted to slaughter an entire sorority and he may have done just that if they only had opened the door.

If he had proceeded to shoot whoever he wanted until he ran out of ammo he might have killed 300+ women and less than 10 men. We don't really know.
 
Ziggurat said:
And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.



And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.
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That argument is just stupid.

He killed twice as many men as women because that's the way things ended up going when he went on his spree, not because he specifically targeted men more than he targeted women.

In fact, his actual intention (as explicitly stated by him) was to target as many women as he could, and when he started his murder spree he absolutely intended to focus on women - he began it by attempting to gain access to a sorority house, and only when he was unsuccessful in that did he turn to opportunistic random shootings.

Care to take a guess about the gender balance of potential victims inside that sorority house, Ziggurat?
 
Ziggurat said:
And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.

And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.
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There's a gap between what one sets out to do, and what one accomplishes. He set out to murder an entire sorority. Ultimately, he was deterred because the girls stockpiled a cache of firearms didn't open the door.
 
Tricky said:
Yeah. Why aren't there more drive-by knifings?
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Well, to be fair, a drive-by shooting is just a type of knifing. The (blunt) knife is propelled through the air by an explosive charge. You could manage something similar by throwing small knives, but there are advantages of having a barrel and a high velocity knife - for example, the knife can be smaller and still cause great damage.

If you think about it, a gun ban is really just a ban on artificially augmented knives.
 
According to what I have read, there are something like 7 crime scenes for this incident. How will they decide where to build the memorial? And will it have a gift shop?
 
Ziggurat said:
But why were they having pleasurable lives that he could not? Because they were men, doing what men do, not just physically large but emotionally stunted children like he was.
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In his rant, he states that it was because women chose them instead of him. Read the excerpt I already posted. He places the blame for other men being sexually active squarely on the women who chose to provide them with sex.

Ziggurat said:
And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.


And yet, he went out and killed twice as many men as women.
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This is a cheap shot; because most of the people who died during his rampage happened to be male, you're trying to imply an intent there. However, it requires that we ignore many things about his rampage other than the death toll - for instance the fact that he wounded many more people than he killed, whose sexes we are unaware of currently; the fact that he began his rampage by pounding at the door of a sorority house - the very one in which, according to his rant, he intended to kill every single woman present before torching the place - and only left because evidently he hadn't considered what to do if they didn't answer the door (they refused to open it to see who was pounding on it). It requires that we ignore the part of his rant where he mentions that he has to kill his roommates not for being men, but just because they're in the way (and even that if they'd been some of his earlier roommates whom he really liked, he would've been remorseful about it). It requires that we leave off his explicitly stating that he had to add his kid brother to his murder plans only after overhearing his mother opine that the boy would be a girl-magnet when he grew up. It requires ignoring the countless number of times that he declares "if just one girl" had given him a chance at a date, the "day of retribution" would never have happened, and that he places no such importance on any particular action by a man. It requires us to ignore his attribution of blame for sexually-active men's pleasurable lives solely to the women who chose them.

Ziggurat said:
It flabbergasts me that one can listen to the self-serving, self-justifying rants of a pathologically narcissistic killer and not pay attention to his actual victims.
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Again by "actual victims" you're referring to the dead ones, completely leaving off the ones he shot and hit with his car as if they don't exist, else implying that the killer must've had some sort of choice in which of the people he shot ended up dying or not such that we can discern anything of his intent from that list. Balderdash, quite frankly.

Not long ago a rather renowned racist and anti-Semite drove to a Jewish retirement home, walked inside, and shot up the place, fleeing after killing three people. He was caught, and was screaming praises to Hitler for the news cameras. All of his victims turned out to be Christian. Shall we deduce that his hate of Christians was therefore greater than his hate for Jews?
 
Isn't the real lesson here that women should be willing to put out to keep men's propensity for violence in check? If they are going to rule the world (their rightful place), women are going to have to address this problem.
 
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