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colander said:
I don't see any reason to read "mental illness" into this dude's actions unless you believe that all murderers are de facto mentally ill.
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It appears that he deliberately set out to (and did) kill several random and anonymous strangers; that seems to be reason enough to read "mental illness" into his actions.
 
Checkmite said:
MRM = Men's Rights Movement. They believe women are trying to relegate or have succeeded in relegating men to a second-class status using cultural, legal, and political institutions to destroy or marginalize their masculinity and rights as men.

MRA = An advocate of this movement.

PUA = Pick-up artist. They view women as objects existing solely to have sex with men. They express this philosophy by trying to pick up women for sex, sharing "techniques" with each other, and complaining about women that the techniques don't work on.

TRP = No idea.
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Thank you.

I think that sometimes a series of unexplained acros in a thread renders the thread incomprehensible to many (maybe even most), and I suspect that lots of potential participants just close the thread and never return to it rather than inquire or participate. So, I appreciate the response.
 
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LashL said:
It appears that he deliberately set out to (and did) kill several random and anonymous strangers; that seems to be reason enough to read "mental illness" into his actions.
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I'm no shrink but after reading his manifesto/life story. I'd say mental illness is a major factor.
 
LashL said:
It appears that he deliberately set out to (and did) kill several random and anonymous strangers; that seems to be reason enough to read "mental illness" into his actions.
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And what mental illness might that be?

(Hint: "spree-killer" is not an actual mental illness)
 
colander said:
Uh huh. Have you considered the possibility that your preconceptions about the motivations that drive women may not be entirely correct?
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Yes.... I understand that I actually would not have to lock up my wife if someone drove by in a BMW....... most people get what I'm saying.
 
Caper said:
Yes.... I understand that I actually would not have to lock up my wife if someone drove by in a BMW....... most people get what I'm saying.
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I fully understand what you're saying, and I am telling you that it is misogynistic nonsense of the same strain that poisoned the mind of the fellow we're all discussing.
 
colander said:
And what mental illness might that be?
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No idea which specific mental illness(es) yet, but initial information certainly suggests that he was labouring under one or more. Are you of the view that he was simply "evil" or somesuch?
 
For all you people who feel you must take a pro or anti gun stance, the latest news is that first he killed 3 in his apartment, with a knife. Then he killed three from his car using guns. #7 was the perp himself, but I haven't heard how or by who.

I would suspect the knivings fall into that mutilatious damage mentioned up-thread? Was it a sign of psychosis?
 
colander said:
And what mental illness might that be?

(Hint: "spree-killer" is not an actual mental illness)
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It sure looks like Narcissistic Personality Disorder, although I'm sure that some of the health professionals he's seen have better ideas too.

While I agree with you and others that murder in and of it self does not indicate mental illness, killing strangers* usually does. Add that to the writings and motivations expressed by the killer, and the 'mentally disturbed' label seems to be extremely solid as a preliminary position based on the evidence at hand. Speaking of which...

colander said:
I fully understand what you're saying, and I am telling you that it is misogynistic nonsense of the same strain that poisoned the mind of the fellow we're all discussing.
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...this is also a position that's got some evidence to it and might be fine as a preliminary position.

EDIT: *Outside of killing strangers for profit motive or during incidental conflicts. It would have been better to say 'targeting strangers for murder'.
 
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s_pepys said:
I'm no shrink but after reading his manifesto/life story. I'd say mental illness is a major factor.
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His 'manifesto' strikes me as unbelievable, ridiculous, and self-serving, but yes, also indicative of serious mental illness.
 
LashL said:
It appears that he deliberately set out to (and did) kill several random and anonymous strangers; that seems to be reason enough to read "mental illness" into his actions.
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Do you believe that all premeditated murders involve mental illness?
 
His thoughts and beliefs were certainly disturbing, but I don't think that necessarily makes for a "mental illness" as such. His parents have stated he had Asperger's Syndrome, which I suppose technically qualifies as a "mental illness", but it's not my understanding that the symptoms of Asperger's include murderous rage and a sense of sexual entitlement, so I'm not inclined to say that his Asperger's was related to his rampage (although I could be wrong of course).

I agree he definitely seemed to have a narcissistic personality, but I'm not ready to call it a disorder; he was just a self-absorbed prick.
 
casebro said:
For all you people who feel you must take a pro or anti gun stance, the latest news is that first he killed 3 in his apartment, with a knife.
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It's probably easier to kill neighbors with a knife rather than strangers. Still he only knifed men, which is pretty impressive, but I'm not prepared to say he's the "ultimate alpha male."
 
tyr_13 said:
It sure looks like Narcissistic Personality Disorder, although I'm sure that some of the health professionals he's seen have better ideas too.
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Saying that someone has narcissistic personality disorder is just clinician-speak for "they're a self-centered jerk". No hallucinations, no psychosis, no irresistible compulsions, no fundamental disconnect with reality. Just a really, really big jerk who wants everyone to view them as special and important. As far as I know, there aren't any therapeutic interventions that have ever been shown to be effective in treating it. That's not really an explanation for his behavior, just a description.
 
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DavidJames said:
Why didn't he use a kitchen knife?

No, gun nuts, I'm not joyful about this. It's a tragedy, a horrible tragedy and I wish it would never have happened. But as long as you guys want to shoot guns, this will continue. I'm sure you'll all sleep well tonight.
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I find this post highly ironic as he did use a knife to kill half his victims. You might also remember 13 years ago in the same town when another son of a director killed 4, with a car. Yes, if somehow magically there were no guns in this country, we would not have any shootings, but crazy people who want to be the "angel of death" would still perform mass killings.
 
Checkmite said:
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It seems pretty obvious that the fellow was mentally ill.

But I don't think anything at all is gained by random non-expert posters purporting to diagnose his specific mental illness(es) over the internet.
 
Having watched the video (I'm still wading through the document), I honestly don't see any ASD-type behaviors. What with giving birth to two, and marrying one, I'm pretty familiar with various forms of high-functioning autism, and I just don't see it. What I see is narcissism, sociopathy, entitlement, possibly some borderline personality traits. A deeply indulged, spoiled brat who comes across as extremely creepy.

He poses for the camera, he laughs his rehearsed laugh, puts his chin on his fist just *so* as if he's practiced it thousands of times for the camera. He films in his car, to show off his BMW.

In the document, he complains that it's everyone elses' fault that he's unhappy. He blames his short stature. He blames his parents for not buying him sufficiently fashionable clothes. And he cheerfully talks about throwing a huge tantrum when he didn't get the bedroom he wanted in his father's new house, when he was in 4th grade.

It just doesn't sound like ASD to me, after 29 years of raising two of them, and being friends with many more.
 
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