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Operation American Spring... is an epic fail

Checkmite said:
Yes, at "Occupy Cleveland" an underage girl was made to share a tent with a man and reported being raped to both the Occupy people and the police.

It's worth noting that in the aftermath, some of the occupiers accused the victim of being a CIA "plant", which is classy.

ETA: I believe it was subsequent to this incident that the Wall Street camp asked its residents not to report sex crimes to the police, but rather to the camp "committee". Presumably so that the offender could (maybe) be quietly kicked out of the camp while avoiding bad press.
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Links to this?

ETA: I found this article and most of what you wrote appears to be factually incorrect.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

The woman was 19, she reported it to her teacher, and there's no mention of anyone telling women not to report sexual assaults.
 
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STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!

OAS was an amazing success and thousands turned out to remove the usuper in chief President.

To celebrate the turnout and the thousands that remain in Washington Riley has announced that OAS is now moving into Phase II.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...eader-announces-phase-ii-plan-overthrow-obama

Declaring the event to be a success, Riley said Operation American Spring is now entering a second phase in its plan to oust President Obama and top administration officials.

“We’re still in that process, we were in a mobilization phase, now we’re in phase II of exercising our strength and length of phase.”
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Redtail said:
... Do they ever say what phase II is?
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Originally they said that Phase One would be the initial event, with 10 to 30 million people. If Obama was still around after the first week or so, then Phase 2 wold start.

Phase 2 was to be about a million people camping:crowded:out in D.C. until the revolution succeeded.

Very realistic planning. :rolleyes:
 
Redtail said:
... Do they ever say what phase II is?
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It seems "exercising our strength and length of phase" was it. I think, like crescent says, that means "sticking around for a while."

Now, I was just a poor little old squid, and I'll admit we didn't get a whole lot of instruction in your fancy military terms like "mobilization" and "Phase II," so I have to wonder- do you normally follow up with a Phase II that was predicated on "10 million or more people that are going to be there to back this up, verified, validated" for the mobilization part, when, by your own estimate, you fall about ten million short of that?
 
turingtest said:
It seems "exercising our strength and length of phase" was it. I think, like crescent says, that means "sticking around for a while."

Now, I was just a poor little old squid, and I'll admit we didn't get a whole lot of instruction in your fancy military terms like "mobilization" and "Phase II," so I have to wonder- do you normally follow up with a Phase II that was predicated on "10 million or more people that are going to be there to back this up, verified, validated" for the mobilization part, when, by your own estimate, you fall about ten million short of that?
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I'm guessing that their math teachers graded on the curve. "Uh, colonel... if Tommy had four hundred apples and you took away 90% how many apples would Tommy have?"

"Ummmm, is this going to be on the test....? ..... A million!"
 
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I just hope they don't get to Phase IV where the hyper intelligent ants take over the world.
 
The orders the Col issued for OAS were a failure. The first phase of the operation was a failure (I've seen Cub Scout camps that were better attended and that got more media attention) and he thinks that it's time for phase 2?

If this was something he tried to put forward at staff college he'd have failed out.
 
Unabogie said:
Links to this?

ETA: I found this article and most of what you wrote appears to be factually incorrect.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

The woman was 19, she reported it to her teacher, and there's no mention of anyone telling women not to report sexual assaults.
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You are correct. I appear to have conflated the rape in Cleveland with the one in Dallas.

However, it was indeed the bulletin board of the Cleveland protesters where I saw that victim referred to (a few months after the fact) as a "CIA plant" by posters. In fairness, the operators of the website did keep a description of the assailant as given by the victim on their main page.
 
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Checkmite said:
You are correct. I appear to have conflated the rape in Cleveland with the one in Dallas.

However, it was indeed the bulletin board of the Cleveland protesters where I saw that victim referred to (a few months after the fact) as a "CIA plant" by posters. In fairness, the operators of the website did keep a description of the assailant as given by the victim on their main page.
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But even in your new link, they specifically urge people to contact police. There's no urging of anyone to avoid reporting rapes. That appears to be a complete myth.

So what you've described is not OWS people committing sexual assaults, it's them being VICTIMS of sexual assaults.

I have no idea who accused them of being "CIA plants". Maybe those were CIA plants? ;)
 
Unabogie said:
You know, you claim to be a libertarian who isn't a part of the GOP culture wars, but you sure do absorb a great deal of Breitbartian politics.

"Rapes"?

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:rolleyes:

Nice try on the ad hominem. If you want links, here are some links.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/woman-raped-at-occupy-philadelphia/

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/211304/3/Cleveland-Rape-alleged-at-Occupy-Cleveland

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/
 
ravdin said:
:rolleyes:

Nice try on the ad hominem. If you want links, here are some links.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/woman-raped-at-occupy-philadelphia/

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/211304/3/Cleveland-Rape-alleged-at-Occupy-Cleveland

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/
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We've already been discussing this. You're using the Benghazi logic here. This wasn't a scandal BY OWS, it was a crime AGAINST OWS. So when you describe OWS, it's not fair to accuse them of being rapists or abetting rape. In fact, that's pretty disgusting.
 
Unabogie said:
But even in your new link, they specifically urge people to contact police. There's no urging of anyone to avoid reporting rapes. That appears to be a complete myth.
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It may well have been but if so, it was a fairly widespread one at the time, and was perpetuated by at least some members of OWS themselves who stated that they preferred to chase assailants away rather than turn them in to police. The statements in the article I linked about always contacting police were made in response to rebukes by the mayor of New York for the aforementioned preference.

Unabogie said:
So what you've described is not OWS people committing sexual assaults, it's them being VICTIMS of sexual assaults.
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Special pleading. Inasmuch as participating in the OWS protests meant showing up and camping in the public space along with all the other attendees, the assailants were just as much participants as the victims were.
 
Checkmite said:
It may well have been but if so, it was a fairly widespread one at the time, and was perpetuated by at least some members of OWS themselves who stated that they preferred to chase assailants away rather than turn them in to police. The statements in the article I linked about always contacting police were made in response to rebukes by the mayor of New York for the aforementioned preference.
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Well there's a pretty big jump from people who resort to vigilantism vs., for instance, what the Catholic Church did, which was to actively cover for the rapists. I don't agree with what they did, but again, there's a distinction here to be made.

Special pleading. Inasmuch as participating in the OWS protests meant showing up and camping in the public space along with all the other attendees, the assailants were just as much participants as the victims were.
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Well no, since we don't know who the assailants were. It's possible (and perhaps even likely) that sexual predators just go where they think they can get away with it, and a campground full of hippies may have been easy pickings.

Note that unlike the right wingers, police consistently break up left wing protests with force, be it at UC Davis or OWS. It's far more likely that lefty protesters see police as unfriendly to them or their cause. This would explain why they preferred to avoid the police and took matters into their own hands when they could. The assertion that anyone abetted rape is what's at issue here.
 
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Unabogie said:
Well no, since we don't know who the assailants were. It's possible (and perhaps even likely) that sexual predators just go where they think they can get away with it, and a campground full of hippies may have been easy pickings.
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Both the victims and their rapists were present at the protest before the rapes, just like all the other protesters. Both remained at the protest site in tents, just like all the other protesters. While it's a truism that any given person at the protest could possibly be there without any interest in the actual protest, if the only reason you can offer as to why we should consider the victims as "true" OWS protesters but not their rapists is that the latter committed a rape, that's a special pleading. Is there a compelling reason why someone who sympathized with the OWS movement could not be a rapist?
 
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