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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

dlorde said:
So the soul has no awareness or consciousness, and awareness and consciousness is a function of the brain, which ceases under anaesthetic and at death?

So what difference does a soul make if it's not associated with consciousness or awareness?
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The mind lies in between the soul and the spirit. Its the mind that thinks/sees
( Gospel of Mary ) Maybe the soul is as a floppy disc and records everything
 
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Scorpion said:
... a new equation which proves all matter can be converted back into energy. It is because I wanted to see this equation that I e-mailed his web site.
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Scorpion said:
The point is, nothing exists except energy. Therefore everything we see, and the likes of you people keep calling reality, is just an illusion.

Stuff is not stuff, it is energy in another form.
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Soooo, Hawking has a formula with which he converts an illusion into energy?

No wonder you got a negative reply 'from his website'.

E.T.A.: Or rather, why you can not show such a 'formula' sourced from Hawking. (in spite of them* not being extraordinary claims, I don't really know you send an email* or got a reply* as claimed by you).
 
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Scorpion said:
To get back on topic I have had another go at opening my third eye, and I saw the word "can" which I took to mean, I can open my third eye if I try hard enough, as I was thinking I could not do it. I then went to bed and woke up several times in the night, and saw blobs of light with shapes in them.
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You'll see more in the time to come.
 
Scorpion said:
M-theory (and string theory) has been criticized for lacking predictive power or being untestable
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None of the mainstream hypotheses, no matter how strange they seem, have anything to do with your irrational pie in the sky.

At least, you haven't show a connection except for a childish attribution.
 
Scorpion said:
In any case the issue is he said on television that he had a new equation that proves all energy can be converted back into matter.
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That simple statement, if true, does not make energy and matter (or mass) the same thing.

If they were, they would both use the same symbol in the equation.

Analogy:

Flour and sugar and eggs (and whatever, I'm not a baker), via mixing and heating can be converted into a cake. The cake, while composed of these ingredients, is not the same thing as it's ingredients.

So, mass, while being convertible to energy, is not "just" energy.

I think.

Physics majors, is that about right?

And we're ignoring emergent properties. While human beings are ultimately composed of atoms, it's wrong to say they are "just" atoms - they are so much more due to the organization of those atoms.

Finally, even if energy and mass were the same, what can one conclude about the physical world from that? I don't think it's the carte blanche doorway into woo that you think it is.
 
Scorpion said:
It does not go anywhere unless you physically destroy the disk. bits of magnetic data remain on the disk even when it is overwritten, and the data can often be recovered.
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So when a hard drive is physically destroyed, melted in hot lava, where does that data go?
 
mstricky said:
The mind lies in between the soul and the spirit. Its the mind that thinks/sees
( Gospel of Mary ) Maybe the soul is as a floppy disc and records everything
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No.

The mind is but an interface between the brain and observable reality. The brain itself might, I suppose, be analogous to a floppy disc (or rather, an SSD*).

The other two things - the soul and the spirit - according to the evidence which you yourself have provided, don't exist.




* Squishy State Drive
 
Scorpion said:
The point is, nothing exists except energy. Therefore everything we see, and the likes of you people keep calling reality, is just an illusion.

Stuff is not stuff, it is energy in another form.
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Not really. You misunderstand the nature of energy. It isn't a form of stuff, it's an indirectly observed quantity, an equivalence relation. The best analogy I know is value (i.e. financial value). A block of gold, a wad of currency, a house, and 10 years work can all have the same value. You can convert a block of gold into a house of the same value either by direct exchange, or by using it to buy wood, bricks, mortar, and builder's time and having it built. But gold, bricks & mortar, builder's labour, and currency are not made of value, they each have a kind of value that can be converted into other kinds of value. Like most analogies, it's incomplete (for example financial value isn't conserved, it depends on human judgement) but it gives an idea of the principle.

Saying that matter can be converted to energy is a convenient shorthand for this equivalence relation. When matter is 'converted' to energy (e.g. nuclear explosion) it doesn't cease to exist, it is broken down into subatomic and elementary particles moving at velocities or having frequencies that, in total, have the equivalent energy value. The common idea of energy as light or radiant heat, consists of photons, and the higher the frequency of the photon, the greater its energy equivalent. But it's not made of energy, energy is a property it has.

So reality isn't an illusion, and stuff isn't made of energy. The real illusion (strictly delusion) is the spirit world.
 
mstricky said:
The evidence I have is good enough for me.
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That's fine, you have a personal belief that you find emotionally comforting and helps you to parse what is happening in the world. However, to try and convince skeptics, it takes quite a bit more than personal anecdotes and a bunch of hypothesis. Skeptical people like evidence and arguments based on that evidence, particularly scientific evidence.
 
mstricky said:
You can't know that for sure
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Indeed we can.

As Daylightstar has pointed out, whether or not your multiple, unevidenced entities exist, the proof of the ultimate irrationalism pudding is in the words that you've posted. You have not used any rational means or method to arrive at your conclusion that souls and/or spirits exist.
 
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mstricky said:
The mind lies in between the soul and the spirit. Its the mind that thinks/sees
( Gospel of Mary ) Maybe the soul is as a floppy disc and records everything
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Wait - you said anaesthetic turns consciousness off because it act on the 'flesh/brain'. Now you say that it's the 'mind' that is conscious and lies between the soul and the spirit. So the mind isn't the flesh/brain in action?

So, let's start again - if it's the mind, lying between soul and spirit, that is conscious, why does consciousness stop when anaesthetics act on the flesh/brain?

And if the soul maybe records 'everything' (could you be more vague?), what does the spirit do, bearing in mind neither of them thinks or sees?
 
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SusanB-M1 said:
Originally Posted by mstricky View Post
Because its working on the flesh/brain and not on the soul
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How do you define which bit of you is the soul? 'Soul' is a word which helps us to think about one of the aspects of ourselves, isn't it?
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I'll be amazed if you get an answer to this that doesn't go in the usual useless circles:
"The soul is separate from the brain!"
"How do you define the soul?"
"Whatever is separate from the brain!"
"What evidence do you have that there is anything separate from the brain?"
"The soul!"
 
Scorpion said:
To get back on topic I have had another go at opening my third eye, and I saw the word "can" which I took to mean, I can open my third eye if I try hard enough, as I was thinking I could not do it.
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It might have been a shopping reminder, for a can of beans or tomatoes, or air-freshener. It might have been a hint to stop with the ridiculous 3rd eye business, as in 'can it'. It might have been 'cat', or 'fan', or 'con' miss-spelt or not clearly seen. It might just have been shapes that looked like the word 'can', but had no meaning at all.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
So when a hard drive is physically destroyed, melted in hot lava, where does that data go?
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It does not go anywhere. Data is a series of magnetic bits, either one or zero. I expect if you melt a magnetic disk you would have a magnetic lump of metal without data.
 
Scorpion said:
It does not go anywhere. Data is a series of magnetic bits, either one or zero. I expect if you melt a magnetic disk you would have a magnetic lump of metal without data.
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Exactly.

Just as a dead brain (and trust me on this, they do actually melt) the data that it contained disappears forever.
 
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