Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Daylightstar]

I made it clear enough that I do not know of anything going on in the brain other that chemical and electrical processes. Do tell me what else is going on.

But that's not what I asked.
Here:

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As far as I can see if thought were controlled by chemicals and electrical signals we would be as limited as a computer, ...

Which quote was included with my question to you.

How (except from not looking very far) have you determined the limits of an electro-chemical brain?

You imply that you know or understand and have determined the limits of an electro-chemical brain.
My questions to you was how you have determined the limits of that electro-chemical brain.

How have you determined these limits, Scorpion?

 

[Daylightstar]

All that needs is a hole in the middle and it'll be one of those record things.
Not the small ones though. The big ones.

Round and round it'll go.

Oh yes, the big ones, defenitely. No other ones

 

[Daylightstar]

I believe there is only one God, and I don't believe in Goblins. But there are said to be many lifeforms on the astral plane that never incarnate, so there might be Goblins.
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There you go.

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I am quite interested in science and I have qualifications in electronics, and Microprocessors.

Which qualifications are probably an illusion .... or can not be shown to exist

Unless of course cognitive dissonance bridges that gap.

 

[Scorpion]

My questions to you was how you have determined the limits of that electro-chemical brain.

How have you determined these limits, Scorpion?

I think I have made plain that I have not determined that, I don't know what else there is going on in the brain. Other than chemical and electrical activity.

 

[Daylightstar]

... Its an illusion, and some people can overcome the illusion of pain.

By withstanding the pain, not by not feeling it. Your belief is an illusion.

 

[Daylightstar]

I think I have made plain that I have not determined that, I don't know what else there is going on in the brain. Other than chemical and electrical activity.

No, you have not made that plain.
You implied that you know or understand and have determined the limits of an electro-chemical brain, you did this to support your notion of the mind being more than the brain.
Then, and now again, you state that you do not know what else is going on in the brain.
Those are not the same things.

Since you now also state that you have not determined the limits of (functioning of) an electro-chemical brain you also imply that you can not judge what an electro-chemical brain is capable of and your attempted support for your mind is more than the brain is inert.


You provided false 'support' for your position.

 

[Scorpion]

No, you have not made that plain.
You implied that you know or understand and have determined the limits of an electro-chemical brain, you did this to support your notion of the mind being more than the brain.
Then, and now again, you state that you do not know what else is going on in the brain.
Those are not the same things.

Since you now also state that you have not determined the limits of (functioning of) an electro-chemical brain you also imply that you can not judge what an electro-chemical brain is capable of and your attempted support for your mind is more than the brain is inert.


You provided false 'support' for your position.

You have not said what else is going on in the brain yourself. Do tell.

 

[Daylightstar]

You have not said what else is going on in the brain yourself. Do tell.

I have made no such claim.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I believe there is only one God, and I don't believe in Goblins. But there are said to be many lifeforms on the astral plane that never incarnate, so there might be Goblins.

I am quite interested in science and I have qualifications in electronics, and Microprocessors.

When a hard drive is destroyed. Where does the data stored in it go?

 

[Scorpion]

When a hard drive is destroyed. Where does the data stored in it go?

It does not go anywhere unless you physically destroy the disk. bits of magnetic data remain on the disk even when it is overwritten, and the data can often be recovered.

 

[Daylightstar]

Post #790.

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Can you put in your own words why my contextual definition of reality was understated?
Is it reasonable to expect a straight actual answer from you?

I'm still waiting.

 

[Daylightstar]

It does not go anywhere unless you physically destroy the disk. bits of magnetic data remain on the disk even when it is overwritten, and the data can often be recovered.

^{Strikethrough by Daylightstar}
So according to you the data goes somewhere when the disk is physically destroyed?
The question was where .....

 

[sadhatter]

Everyone here is trying to put down religious beliefs (almost everyone).
I cited the religious repression in Russia as evidence it does not work.
Even in that extreme circumstance where little old ladys were put in mental hospitals for twenty years and given all kinds of aversion therapy using drugs, they went back to church when they were released.

Maybe they went in hopes of getting an answer from god as to why he let them suffer for so long.

 

[sadhatter]

Prove the spirit world does not exist, prove God does not exist.

I have seen the video a few pages back which claims that there is no room in the universe for unknown particles, but I reject this as proving there can be no spirit world. I think there must be higher particles that are not a part of our universe.

Prove i don't have a magical sword that can bust into flame at my command.

 

[sadhatter]

You define reality as "Stuff that can be shown to exist".

I say that stuff is an illusion. So try again at defining reality. If you cannot even define reality who is to say what is real and what is not?

i can call a cat a crocodile doesn't mean it is one.

 

[Scorpion]

^{Strikethrough by Daylightstar}
So according to you the data goes somewhere when the disk is physically destroyed?
The question was where .....

semantics

 

[abaddon]

It does not go anywhere unless you physically destroy the disk. bits of magnetic data remain on the disk even when it is overwritten, and the data can often be recovered.

That's just rubbish. Gauss it and you get a clean slate.

But you would know this if you were the IT professional that you claim to be. It is odd that you do not. Almost as though that claim of professional credentials were false.

Oh and before you ask the obvious, yes, I am qualified, yes, I have a bucket of letters after my name, yes, these have been provided on this very site for all to see and yes, your lack of knowledge is also plain to see.

You could learn. Do you want to?

 

[Daylightstar]

semantics

No, a dodge, by you. Not the first one, mind you.

thaiboxerken stated an event and attached a question to that event. You then simply repeated that statement and question by inverting them without actually answering the question.

 

[sadhatter]

My thoughts are free enough to disagree with you, and I have yet to have reality defined to my satisfaction. Passing off reality as stuff that exists is just skipping over the issue.

Reality is all of the things that still occur if you don't believe in them.

No matter how much i legitimately believe the speed of sound is one foot per hour, a supersonic bullet will still hurt, that is reality.

 

[PixyMisa]

They certainly cannot be detected by any instruments we could make.
The only way they could be detected is by the latent senses of the higher bodies of people who are psychically sensitive.

No, this is precisely what quantum field theory rules out, as discussed in the video. The Feynman diagram for such an interaction has a mathematically equivalent diagram for creating such particles. If such particles existed, and we - that is, anyone - were subject to their interactions, the energy levels would necessarily be such that they would routinely show up in the detectors of our particle accelerators.

They don't.

That proves that such particles do not exist, and that proves that the soul, afterlife, spirits, whatever you want to call it, also do not exist.

And as I've noted, this is exactly the theory that allows us to build modern computers and the internet. If the theory were wrong, we would not be having this conversation.