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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
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As far as I can see if thought were controlled by chemicals and electrical signals we would be as limited as a computer, and not have free thought.
We would just obey a program of instincts.
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How (except from not looking very far) have you determined the limits of an electro-chemical brain?
 
Scorpion said:
My thoughts are free enough to disagree with you, and I have yet to have reality defined to my satisfaction. Passing off reality as stuff that exists is just skipping over the issue.
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Your thoughts are evidently limited by your belief.
As far as the contextual definition for reality you received is concerned, you have referred to it incorrectly.
 
Scorpion said:
Would you like to elaborate on how you could perform a trivial demonstration of thought being an emergent property of the brain. As far as I can see if thought were controlled by chemicals and electrical signals we would be as limited as a computer, and not have free thought.
We would just obey a program of instincts.
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OK, I take a baseball bat and hit you in the head hard enough that you lose consciousness.

Q. E. D.
 
Scorpion said:
They certainly cannot be detected by any instruments we could make.
The only way they could be detected is by the latent senses of the higher bodies of people who are psychically sensitive.
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Why are only certain people able to detect these things? Sounds like the game is rigged.
 
Scorpion said:
As far as I can see if thought were controlled by chemicals and electrical signals we would be as limited as a computer, and not have free thought.
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What on Earth do you mean by 'free thought'? Are you trying to suggest that your thoughts are not determined by your memories, emotions, preferences, needs, desires, etc? Judging by your posts, they're not totally random, so do explain, if you can.

We would just obey a program of instincts.
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Ah, no. There is a lot of instinctive behaviour underlying what we do, but we can also learn and modify our behaviour accordingly - as can fancy computers these days (have you seen what IBM's Watson project is doing lately?).
 
Daylightstar said:
From what you have presented so far, it appears that "Scorpion's spiritualism" consists of two parts, one part illusion and another part which can not be shown to exist.

That's it.
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Everything certainly could be illusion.

This is the stuff of Plato's cave and Descartes' musings and "The Matrix" and late night dorm room discussions.

Been there, done that.

And then it's time to get back to real life.

Scorpion, try this experiment:

Pretend you have an imaginary pin in your hand and stick yourself with it.

Then, do the same with a real pin.

That, on a fundamental level is the difference between illusion and reality.

You can ponder that the real pin is just an illusion, BUT IT STILL HURTS!!!

And so most sane people, after questioning if everything is an illusion, must run their real live "as if" matter exists and cause and effect are related.

To do otherwise can put one's existence in this plane of reality in jeopardy.

But good luck finding other planes and assuming matter is illusory. Just don't hurt yourself!
 
Scorpion said:
You have understated the definition of reality, see the link.
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Do facts and science ever come into consideration of your beliefs? From what you've posted, you live in a fantasy world where people have superpowers, ghosts and goblins exist, and there are gods.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Everything certainly could be illusion.

This is the stuff of Plato's cave and Descartes' musings and "The Matrix" and late night dorm room discussions.

Been there, done that.

And then it's time to get back to real life.

Scorpion, try this experiment:

Pretend you have an imaginary pin in your hand and stick yourself with it.

Then, do the same with a real pin.

That, on a fundamental level is the difference between illusion and reality.

You can ponder that the real pin is just an illusion, BUT IT STILL HURTS!!!

And so most sane people, after questioning if everything is an illusion, must run their real live "as if" matter exists and cause and effect are related.

To do otherwise can put one's existence in this plane of reality in jeopardy.

But good luck finding other planes and assuming matter is illusory. Just don't hurt yourself!
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If I stick myself with a pin I will doubtlessly notice it, but only because electrical signals will send the message up my arm, and my brain will interpret those signals as pain. Its an illusion, and some people can overcome the illusion of pain.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Do facts and science ever come into consideration of your beliefs? From what you've posted, you live in a fantasy world where people have superpowers, ghosts and goblins exist, and there are gods.
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I believe there is only one God, and I don't believe in Goblins. But there are said to be many lifeforms on the astral plane that never incarnate, so there might be Goblins.

I am quite interested in science and I have qualifications in electronics, and Microprocessors.
 
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