Gay Hating GOPer is...

[Unabogie]

You guessed it.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...rriage-equality-worked-as-female-impersonator

A Republican state senate candidate who supported North Carolina's ban on gay marriage once worked as a female impersonator at a gay nightclub, the Winston-Salem Journal reported Saturday.

Real estate agent Steve Wiles, 34, went by "Mona Sinclair" when he worked at the now-closed Club Odyssey in the early 2000s, according to the club's co-owner and another former employee. Wiles' former co-workers claim he was gay at the time and was a frequent visitor at the nightclub before he began working there.

Wiles denied that he worked as Mona Sinclair in interviews with the Winston-Salem Journal, and responded "no" when the newspaper asked whether he was gay.

But Wiles also appears as Mona Sinclair in a cached version of the Miss Gay America website. The cached webpage said that Wiles was suspended from the organization for "conduct unbecoming to a promoter of the Miss Gay America pageant system.”

Look, the guy can be gay or straight if he wants to be. He can be gay one year and straight the next. It's his right. But why can't he just leave that choice to other people too? Why does his sudden conversion have to lead to him going on a Jihad against others?

 

[ehcks]

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/TDB_Gaydar.gif

 

[maxpower1227]

Time to reset the counter already?

 

[Delvo]

I know this "hey another one" routine is entertaining, but has there been any actual attempt to study whether this meme has any reality behind it? Of all politicians & preachers who've ever been against expanding "marriage", what fraction have had stories like this come out about them? If you tried to predict who would and wouldn't end up in this position before it happens, what would be your false-positive and false-negative rates?

 

[Olowkow]

There is plenty of literature on the subject of "reaction formation" theories which may account for homophobia among deeply closeted gays, but it would be very difficult to come up with any percentages of gay haters who are secretly gay, I would think. For example, from an abstract of a study by the APA, a hypothesis that strikes me as having some merit:

When individuals grow up with autonomy-thwarting parents, they may be prevented from exploring internally endorsed values and identities and as a result shut out aspects of the self perceived to be unacceptable. Given the stigmatization of homosexuality, individuals perceiving low autonomy support from parents may be especially motivated to conceal same-sex sexual attraction, leading to defensive processes such as reaction formation.

In a NY Times article, Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay, a psychology professor has tried to capture what to many is simply common sense in his research published in this month’s issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

One theory is that homosexual urges, when repressed out of shame or fear, can be expressed as homophobia. Freud famously called this process a “reaction formation” — the angry battle against the outward symbol of feelings that are inwardly being stifled. Even Mr. Haggard seemed to endorse this idea when, apologizing after his scandal for his anti-gay rhetoric, he said, “I think I was partially so vehement because of my own war.”

There is of course the purely religion based objection to gay marriage and sexual behavior which is a learned prejudice based purely on what leaders have advised, and this thinking pattern can never be effectively negated in the believer. It is a type of homophobia which strikes me as being an isolated or non psychological variant of strong anti-gay sentiment.

 

[johnny karate]

Whether or not there is any significant correlation between homophobia and closeted homosexuality is irrelevant.

It's just fun to tell homophobes that their homophobia means they're secretly gay, and watch their heads explode.

 

[12AX7]

Wiles' former co-workers claim he was gay at the time...

He must have prayed the gay away, ala Backmann.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Oh, so opposing gay marriage makes one guilty of "gay hating"? So if I don't think teens should be allowed to drive, does that mean I "hate" teens? If don't think women should be allowed to serve in combat units, does that mean I "hate" women?

Just because someone thinks that marriage should be reserved for men and women does not mean they "hate" gays. In fact, those who are really being hateful are those who label people as "haters" just because they don't agree with gay marriage.

 

[Dissolution]

Of course opposing marriage equality doesn't automatically mean that you're gay, but it seems to be a distinct possibility.
There doesn't seem to be much of a secular argument against it, so reasons tend to be either religious, bigoted, both or people struggling with their own sexuality.

 

[marplots]

Are female impersonators gay? I thought that was a separate category.


(I might need to reevaluate my collection of slimming dresses.)

 

[pgwenthold]

Just because someone thinks that marriage should be reserved for men and women does not mean they "hate" gays. .

No, you just think that gays are substandard people who don't deserve the opportunity to marry the person they want like everyone else.

But hey, no offense, right?

Explain WHY you think that gays should not get married. Then we'll see your real attitude.

 

[pgwenthold]

Are female impersonators gay? I thought that was a separate category.


(I might need to reevaluate my collection of slimming dresses.)

I have to admit, I don't understand the prevalence of female impersonation by gay guys. I understand the "female trapped in a man's body" part, but in terms of interactions, it's not clear. By dressing up like a woman, it doesn't seem they would be appealing to gay men, and because they are guys, they won't be attractive to hetero men. It's always seemed very weird to me.

Oh well, very clearly it is a common feature among gay men, and since I am not gay, I probably just don't have the proper framework to understand it. At least that's what I've always figured.

 

[Unabogie]

Oh, so opposing gay marriage makes one guilty of "gay hating"? So if I don't think teens should be allowed to drive, does that mean I "hate" teens? If don't think women should be allowed to serve in combat units, does that mean I "hate" women?

Just because someone thinks that marriage should be reserved for men and women does not mean they "hate" gays. In fact, those who are really being hateful are those who label people as "haters" just because they don't agree with gay marriage.

Yes. Because unlike opposing teenage drivers, there's absolutely no reason to oppose gay marriage besides bigotry. After all, teen drivers get in more accidents, which could harm others. Gay people getting married harms no one, yet you're against it. So yeah, hate is the right word. Why not own it?

 

[rcfieldz]

they it isn't sooo...

 

[Ladewig]

Oh, so opposing gay marriage makes one guilty of "gay hating"? So if I don't think teens should be allowed to drive, does that mean I "hate" teens? If don't think women should be allowed to serve in combat units, does that mean I "hate" women?

Just because someone thinks that marriage should be reserved for men and women does not mean they "hate" gays. In fact, those who are really being hateful are those who label people as "haters" just because they don't agree with gay marriage.

Perhaps a better comparison might be insisting that people of different races not marry.

 

[Biscuit]

Oh, so opposing gay marriage makes one guilty of "gay hating"? So if I don't think teens should be allowed to drive, does that mean I "hate" teens? If don't think women should be allowed to serve in combat units, does that mean I "hate" women?

Just because someone thinks that marriage should be reserved for men and women does not mean they "hate" gays. In fact, those who are really being hateful are those who label people as "haters" just because they don't agree with gay marriage.

What a bunch of baloney. Teens are not born "drivers." Women are not born as "combat soldiers." Driving is a privilege and combat is a condition. Your argument is specious and irrelevant.

Just because someone thinks certain water fountains should be reserved for whites only doesn't mean they hate blacks.

The only reason for telling someone they don't deserve equality is because you think they are lesser than you which is hatred.

 

[Dissolution]

I have to admit, I don't understand the prevalence of female impersonation by gay guys. I understand the "female trapped in a man's body" part, but in terms of interactions, it's not clear. By dressing up like a woman, it doesn't seem they would be appealing to gay men, and because they are guys, they won't be attractive to hetero men. It's always seemed very weird to me.

Oh well, very clearly it is a common feature among gay men, and since I am not gay, I probably just don't have the proper framework to understand it. At least that's what I've always figured.

I think that it might be embracing the feminine aspect of their personality, as well as impersonating people that they can relate to and look up to, as there weren't and aren't many famous, glamorous men that sing about being in love with men, being hurt by relationships with men, etc.

It's also fabulous, darling!

 

[12AX7]

Just because someone thinks that marriage should be reserved for men and women does not mean they "hate" gays. In fact, those who are really being hateful are those who label people as "haters" just because they don't agree with gay marriage.

I agree! In fact, let's take marriage back to the Biblical definitions!

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Well, I'll admit that opposing gay marriage doesn't automatically mean you hate gay people. It actually means something far worse.

It's the same thing that allowed some of our ancestors to own slaves and deny women the right to vote. It's this belief that certain types of people are naturally inferior to ourselves and therefore don't deserve the same privileges (ETA: or opportunities), even when living and participating in the very same society.

 

[Dessi]

I have to admit, I don't understand the prevalence of female impersonation by gay guys.

I understand the "female trapped in a man's body" part, but in terms of interactions, it's not clear.

I honestly don't know much about the crossdressing community, I'm not sure why some gay men like to perform comedy or fashion shows in drag. My impression from the drag performers I've met suggests they just love being sparkly and fabulous, or just satirizing / giving the finger to social norms.

One friend in particular is entirely too attractive whether presenting in butch or femme mode, and wants to become one of those androgynous male models people rave about. I don't know what this person's gender identity is, but they certainly don't come across as male, despite using and preferring male pronouns. I've known several people with similar manners of dress and behavior, so I hypothesize that drag performance could be a creative outlet for people whose gender identity isn't well-defined.

By dressing up like a woman, it doesn't seem they would be appealing to gay men, and because they are guys, they won't be attractive to hetero men. It's always seemed very weird to me.

I think you got the motive all wrong Drag performers dress up to give a good show, not necessarily to attract a partner.