Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Planigale]

Was there ever an explanation as to why Luminol was never used in the small bathroom?

 

[carbonjam72]

Rudy's computers

What?
Rudy called 1 of the Spanish students to hang out on Halloween, the day before Meredith was murdered
and because of this 2 of the Spanish students were summoned by ILE to return to Perugia from Switzerland for questioning?
I wonder who else Rudy Guede called?

Link:
http://www.lne.es/sucesos/2011/10/05/copas-asesino-perugia/1138272.html

I translated using results from 3 translators:
http://www.spanishdict.com/translation


A journalist of LA NUEVA ESPAÑA spent in 2007 a night of drinking with Rudy Guede, only convicted of the murder in Perugia (Italy) of Meredith Kercher after the acquittal of Raffaelle Sollecito and Amanda Knox. But it wasn't any night. The meeting took place just 24 hours before to the brutal murder of the English student.


NACHO AZPARREN:
"My name is Rudy, i was born in South Africa but i spent all my childhood in Atlanta (United States). I am in Italy working for Armani". Of the first phrases that hear from Rudy Guede in October of 2007 the name was only to the truth. The rest was invented. Rudy was born in Ivory Coast, i had never lived in the United States, or worked for Armani. Our first meeting in Perugia (Italy), took place ten days before the murder of Meredith Kercher. And the night before the murder, on November 1, 2007, the Ivorian today that is convicted of the crime came out with a group of Spaniards among whom I was.

The surprising decision of the Court of Appeal of Perugia, which acquitted monday to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, leaves only to Rudy Guede under conviction. At the end of September 2007, two months before the murder, Guede began to forge friendship with the group of Spanish students of Erasmus that we had just arrived in Perugia. Guede lived in the "Corso Garibaldi", a street something away from the center where we're longtime former most of Erasmus. It was in an old house, in the style of the Italian that landlords often hire foreign students: a building uncomfortable whose only advantage is the proximity to the universities Degli Studi Capita and Eternal Foreigners. Guede was a neighbor of two girls from Valladolid, Marta and Carolina, who shared floor with two Italian: Nicoletta and Sara.

My first contact with Rudy Guede took place in mid-October, about 10 days before the event. In celebration of the birthday of a neighbour of Guede, I was introduced to the Ivorian. For us Rudy was just a fun African-American, an outgoing guy that basketball liked and partying.

Guede confidence with their neighbors of Corso Garibaldi was total. The Ivorian and her neighbors House was connected by a room that was doing laundry. "Rudy was one more. We did the wash at the same time and helped us when it is spoiling us electrical appliances,"says Carolina, neighboring. "I remember when you taught me how to use the washing machine. "Like me he had no idea of Italian just told me: ' White with white!'", adds.

The Spanish shared with Guede the building energy costs. The level of intimacy between the neighbours allowed Carolina know Guede House. "It was a very small room filled with computers.
I was surprised because we had no internet there. He explained to me that in addition to Armani worked in something related to computing, as his father had done," says his neighbor in 2007. The way of life of the Ivorian drew attention. It was common for several days away from his home. In his absences, Guede stated that traveling to Milan, to give an account of his work for Armani. The alleged use of Ivorian was to prepare the lighting systems in presentations and gateways. One day (showed) photos embraced to Giorgio Armani. But something was not fit, highlights Carolina

The supposed American origin of Guede was the next aspect that we began to doubt. Sara, another Spanish studying in Perugia, had been the first to suspect his passing through the United States. The girl, mother born in Philadelphia, said a few minutes that his accent was not American.

The biggest Guede contact with the group of Spanish took place in the night of Halloween, one day before the murder of Meredith Kercher. The friendliness created by the ivory one in the previous(prior) appointments did that we were inviting him to go out that night with us. In the first meetings, Guede had avoided to give us its mobile phone. There limited himself to pointing the number of Carlos, Valencian student who served of connection the day of Halloween.

The same day as we were going to celebrate the holiday Rudy called me to sign up», mentions Carlos. The two had forged friendship based on the basketball. Guede was a habitual one of thestreet parties that are celebrated(held) in front of Palazzo Galenga, one of the university constructions with more crossbeam in Italy

"He told me that he had played in the Atlanta University. I thought that he meant to impress because there were many gaps in the history,"says Carlos. That night you behaved in a normal way. I was with him all night and not noticed anything unusual in their attitude. The day after the murder I also came across it at the Domus, the Disco that we attended. On that occasion had acted a serious and rough, nothing to do with his usual character.

We find out about the happened by means of the Police of Perugia. The newspapers had done to themselves echo of the brutal murder of one Erasmus Englishwoman, but nobody between the Spanish we relate the event to Guede. «Come to Police station immediately». Carlos and Carolina were in Switzerland when they received the call of the agents. At its arrival to Perugia they accompanied them to the Police station. The call of Guede to Carlos the day of Halloween had been the culprit of the subpoena.
Guede was arrested in Germany, was tried and sentenced to 16 years imprisonment for the murder of Meredith Kercher. None of us would suspect it.

Did the police try to analyze Rudy's computers too? Did they fry all of them like they did with Raf's, Amanda's and Filomena's? Or did the police electronic experts have better luck with the "power surges" on this batch?

 

[Vibio]

Fascinating how many legit news outlets are nows featuring the headline:

"Amanda Knox's Alibi Appears Challenged By New Video"

or

"CCTV Footage May Cast Doubt Over Knox's Alibi"

or something like it.

As far as who leaked it to the press: well, the person most helped by the release would be Sollecito.

Loved his recent interview with Anderson Cooper: he now says he only met Meridith once and did not speak with her. Pretty amazing since his prison diary says something quite different.

Also: Knox in her interview with Cuomo says: "Right now me and Raffaele are fighting together for our innocence..."

Nice PR spin, but Raffles corrects her saying to Cooper: "I'm working by myself..."

And Sollecito's lawyer? He says to Cooper:

"Raffaele never falsely accused someone of being involved in the murder..."

Oh dear.

Next phase? The headline: "Yes, Amanda Wielded the Knife says Raffaele Sollecito"


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[Diocletus]

Fascinating how many legit news outlets are nows featuring the headline:

"Amanda Knox's Alibi Appears Challenged By New Video"

or

"CCTV Footage May Cast Doubt Over Knox's Alibi"

or something like it.

As far as who leaked it to the press: well, the person most helped by the release would be Sollecito.

Loved his recent interview with Anderson Cooper: he now says he only met Meridith once and did not speak with her. Pretty amazing since his prison diary says something quite different.

Also: Knox in her interview with Cuomo says: "Right now me and Raffaele are fighting together for our innocence..."

Nice PR spin, but Raffles corrects her saying to Cooper: "I'm working by myself..."

And Sollecito's lawyer? He says to Cooper:

"Raffaele never falsely accused someone of being involved in the murder..."

Oh dear.

Next phase? The headline: "Yes, Amanda Wielded the Knife says Raffaele Sollecito"


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I think that nencini would be more helped by this "leak". If it were true, it would make his pervey dum dum fantasy more likely.

Interesting that there is a figure with dark hair who might or might not be a woman. There are several of those in Italy.

 

[Dan O.]

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I posted a couple of times before that there was a thin earphone/earbud type wire coming out of Meredith's white shoulder bag and going under the pillow she was found on top of. It turns out there is a picture of the earbud on Steve Moore's website. I uploaded the pic, click on the thumb to see a large version, the earbud is peaking out of the left side of the pillow:

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I don't think anybody disputes that the earbuds are there. The interesting thing is how objects just seem to shuffle around on their own from one photo to the next. Notice in this image that the pillow is squared up in relation to the tiles but from earlier images the pillow is sitting diagonally. Somewhere under that pillow suposedly lies the incriminating bra clasp. But it is not seen when the pillow is picked up to remove the case for evidence.

 

[Dan O.]

Was there ever an explanation as to why Luminol was never used in the small bathroom?

Luminol is used to make unseen blood visible. The small bathroom was covered with the already visible pink stuff.

 

[Dan O.]

Did the police try to analyze Rudy's computers too? Did they fry all of them like they did with Raf's, Amanda's and Filomena's? Or did the police electronic experts have better luck with the "power surges" on this batch?

There was a claim that the police fried one hard drive from Rudy but I'm not sure that is confirmed. I'd never seen any mention before that Rudy had more than one computer (not counting the laptop he had in Milan).

If Rudy already had a room full of computers that would support the concept that he needed cash for his rent and that stealing more computers would not help him.

I imagine that Rudy would have disposed of the excess incriminating evidence before he fled. He might have kept one laptop though it is surprising that this is not mentioned in his arrest and surely Germany has free wireless access unlike the police state of Italy. If Rudy had a laptop with him he wouldn't have needed to pay for Internet access for that chat and Skype call.

 

[JREF2010]

Fascinating how many legit news outlets are nows featuring the headline:

"Amanda Knox's Alibi Appears Challenged By New Video"

or

"CCTV Footage May Cast Doubt Over Knox's Alibi"

or something like it.

As far as who leaked it to the press: well, the person most helped by the release would be Sollecito.

Loved his recent interview with Anderson Cooper: he now says he only met Meridith once and did not speak with her. Pretty amazing since his prison diary says something quite different.

Also: Knox in her interview with Cuomo says: "Right now me and Raffaele are fighting together for our innocence..."

Nice PR spin, but Raffles corrects her saying to Cooper: "I'm working by myself..."

And Sollecito's lawyer? He says to Cooper:

"Raffaele never falsely accused someone of being involved in the murder..."

Oh dear.

Next phase? The headline: "Yes, Amanda Wielded the Knife says Raffaele Sollecito"


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I think thats a stretch to say Sollecito would benefit, but its definitely a planned and premeditated attack on Amanda and I would suspect first of all the journalists, who are known pro-guillotine leaked it or were the bridge from the prosecution to the media.

Most who post have a great detailed background of understanding of this case, which I also assume is about 6yrs more time in on studying the case than the Nencini pretend-judges and Nencini. So the impact of media slander can't be underestimated, it could be very powerful for the Italians and the Judges.

Of course conspiracy theorists are all crazy, governments and legal systems and lawyers dont play games, cops arent crooked and forensic teams dont destroy evidence on purpose, and interrogations arent recorded due to budget cuts...

 

[Dan O.]

How does one get ”many legitimate news outlets" from huff'n poo?

 

[Bill Williams]

Fascinating how many legit news outlets are nows featuring the headline:

"Amanda Knox's Alibi Appears Challenged By New Video"

or

"CCTV Footage May Cast Doubt Over Knox's Alibi"

or something like it.

As far as who leaked it to the press: well, the person most helped by the release would be Sollecito.

Loved his recent interview with Anderson Cooper: he now says he only met Meridith once and did not speak with her. Pretty amazing since his prison diary says something quite different.

Also: Knox in her interview with Cuomo says: "Right now me and Raffaele are fighting together for our innocence..."

Nice PR spin, but Raffles corrects her saying to Cooper: "I'm working by myself..."

And Sollecito's lawyer? He says to Cooper:

"Raffaele never falsely accused someone of being involved in the murder..."

Oh dear.

Next phase? The headline: "Yes, Amanda Wielded the Knife says Raffaele Sollecito"


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This this the sum total of your case. Thank you for summarizing it so concisely.

Do you also have an opinion on after 6 years Nencini claiming that Raffaele's DNA is on the knife?

 

[Kestrel]

How does one get ”many legitimate news outlets" from huff'n poo?

The original source seems to be Quarto Grado, an Italian TV program. The
UK tabloid, The Independant carried the garbage to the English speaking world.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ight-of-meredith-kerchers-murder-9324052.html

So now we have video of some random person who may be female returning to her car at almost the same time that Meredith returned to the cottage. The reporters don't seem to know that the Meredith video is also has a 20:53 time stamp. Or that the video clock is known to be 10 to 12 minutes behind the actual time.

It is interesting to see confirmation bias sweep through the guilters on other forums. With only one fuzzy video frame to examine, they are certain that this is Amanda.

 

[anglolawyer]

RandyW

I found your post on the Tramontano incident interesting. The account there seemed rather different from the earlier one though. In one of them, there is a relaxed conversation at the door with Rudy showing the knife and saying he can't get out. In that one CT knows who he is. In the second version, he does not know Rudy and does not help him leave.

I can tell you (I think) why he enters via a window but leaves by the door. It's because it's hard to climb out of window with a laptop under your arm without dropping and breaking it.

Codyjuneau

Nice spot on all those computers Rudy had at his place. Obviously stolen. This is a great point actually and ties in with the mysterious Milan charges that nobody on four obsessive forums or on this thread ever knew about before. An Italian observer of the case told me he never heard of the charges against Rudy until his recent appeal was turned down. Who made that happen and why? Maybe Mach can tell us where and when the first instance trial took place. I also want to know some other stuff - fast track or full trial (I bet it was fast track) the witnesses, the evidence, the property found on Rudy when arrested, the motivation, the grounds of appeal and so on.

Question: in whose interests might it have been to hush up Rudy's life as a 'professional burglar' and his conviction for carrying an offensive weapon (assuming that charge was laid - and if not why not)? Hmmm. Thinks ….

 

[acbytesla]

As have I. It's so beautifully put together. Even Basinger is bearable.

She won an Oscar for her performance..which amazes me.. Her voice grates on me..but she is beautiful.

I like Ellroy's novels, but I appreciated that the two cops (White & Exley) in the movie adaptation were not painted quite as dark as in the book.

They are still pretty dark, the unfortunate part of the movie is just how much they had to cut of the other characters particularly Kevin Spacey's character..... but if they left all that in the movie would have been ten hours long.

No, he can't. But the man can act. Spacey's Jack Vincennes is my favorite performance in this one, however.

Spacey is always good..and he was great in this one. Can't argue with this...But I don't think I had seen Crowe in anything before this. I think this turned him into the leading man.

"On occasion"? It would seem that Perugia's investigators had no problem whatsoever committing three out of Dudley's four "hypotheticals."

So true.. and so sad.

 

[acbytesla]

The original source seems to be Quarto Grado, an Italian TV program. The
UK tabloid, The Independant carried the garbage to the English speaking world.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ight-of-meredith-kerchers-murder-9324052.html

So now we have video of some random person who may be female returning to her car at almost the same time that Meredith returned to the cottage. The reporters don't seem to know that the Meredith video is also has a 20:53 time stamp. Or that the video clock is known to be 10 to 12 minutes behind the actual time.

It is interesting to see confirmation bias sweep through the guilters on other forums. With only one fuzzy video frame to examine, they are certain that this is Amanda.

Which of course makes it 20:43 and where is she at this moment?... With Raffaele and being seen by Ms. Popovich. Also, the person looks like a guy with short hair and a mustache.

 

[Desert Fox]

It is interesting to see confirmation bias sweep through the guilters on other forums. With only one fuzzy video frame to examine, they are certain that this is Amanda.

I really hate those CSI programs where they magically clear up a blurry photo into something that shows the actual person.

Are there even any markers which we can measure heights?

There is a documentary to see if a certain commander was at Auschwitz (From a photograph.) They use various markers to try to determine the height. In the end, it appears to have been "inconclusive" if I remember correctly.

 

[acbytesla]

Fascinating how many legit news outlets are nows featuring the headline:

"Amanda Knox's Alibi Appears Challenged By New Video"

or

"CCTV Footage May Cast Doubt Over Knox's Alibi"

or something like it.

As far as who leaked it to the press: well, the person most helped by the release would be Sollecito.

Loved his recent interview with Anderson Cooper: he now says he only met Meridith once and did not speak with her. Pretty amazing since his prison diary says something quite different.

Also: Knox in her interview with Cuomo says: "Right now me and Raffaele are fighting together for our innocence..."

Nice PR spin, but Raffles corrects her saying to Cooper: "I'm working by myself..."

And Sollecito's lawyer? He says to Cooper:

"Raffaele never falsely accused someone of being involved in the murder..."

Oh dear.

Next phase? The headline: "Yes, Amanda Wielded the Knife says Raffaele Sollecito"


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I don't think so. That doesn't really help Raffaele. But I can't blame Raffaele for feeling alone. The clock is ticking on Raffaele in Italy. He's looking at the possibility of being in prison in a year that could last 20 years. It must feel very alone. Amanda could be in an extradition battle or Italy may not even ask..thinking the US will say NO.

 

[Kestrel]

Which of course makes it 20:43 and where is she at this moment?... With Raffaele and being seen by Ms. Popovich. Also, the person looks like a guy with short hair and a mustache.

Actually it makes it 21:03, according to the defense theory confirmed by comparing the arrival of the police to cell phone records the next day.

The prosecution theory that the video times were off in the other direction does conflict with the meeting with Ms. Popovich. It also brings up the question of who is going to the cottage at that same time. Amanda is still at Raffaefe's place and Mereidith is just leaving her English friends.

 

[acbytesla]

Actually it makes it 21:03, according to the defense theory confirmed by comparing the arrival of the police to cell phone records the next day.

The prosecution theory that the video times were off in the other direction does conflict with the meeting with Ms. Popovich. It also brings up the question of who is going to the cottage at that same time. Amanda is still at Raffaefe's place and Mereidith is just leaving her English friends.

You're right.

 

[Grinder]

Has Nencini explained the clasp being destroyed by being stored in liquid? Or did Stephony give a reason for this stupidity? How can this point go unchallenged?

Think Poppy think! Amanda is American so Stef used an AMERICAN plastic bag to store it so it's America's fault.

That is basically what she said.

 

[LondonJohn]

The original source seems to be Quarto Grado, an Italian TV program. The
UK tabloid, The Independant carried the garbage to the English speaking world.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ight-of-meredith-kerchers-murder-9324052.html

So now we have video of some random person who may be female returning to her car at almost the same time that Meredith returned to the cottage. The reporters don't seem to know that the Meredith video is also has a 20:53 time stamp. Or that the video clock is known to be 10 to 12 minutes behind the actual time.

It is interesting to see confirmation bias sweep through the guilters on other forums. With only one fuzzy video frame to examine, they are certain that this is Amanda.

Of course they're certain. They are - with very few exceptions - poor thinkers who are riddled with confirmation bias and bitter personal vindictiveness (for some reason) towards Knox (mainly) and Sollecito (secondarily).

The prevailing idiot "wisdom" also appears to be that it's a racing certainty that it was Sollecito (or his legal team) who leaked and drew attention to this CCTV footage. The "reasoning" for this appears to be that Sollecito is now trying to adopt the strategy of disassociating himself from Knox altogether, to the extend (in the idiots' minds) of placing "incriminating" evidence against Knox into the public domain.

Now, I shouldn't need to point out that this is laughably absurd and utterly incorrect. The entire reason for Sollecito (and his lawyers) attempting - correctly - to separate the case as regards Sollecito and Knox is simple and obvious. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Sollecito trying to drop Knox in the doo-doo (or "push her under the bus" in idiot parlance). Instead, it has everything to do with the notion that it is judicially improper to think that the two are either both guilty or both not-guilty (or both innocent). It's clear that a number of courts in this trial process have - consciously and unconsciously - adopted the flawed thinking that if Knox is guilty, then Sollecito must also be guilty, and vice-versa. Because of this, evidence which only pertains to one of the two has implicitly been used against the other. And that's unlawful and unethical.

It's entirely proper, for example, for Sollecito and his lawyers to point out that it's theoretically possible for Knox to have participated in the murder without Sollecito's knowledge or complicity (she could, in theory (for example), have stolen his keys while he was snoozing and slipped out to participate in the murder). Likewise, Knox could argue exactly the same sort of thing.

But here's the important thing: this doesn't mean that Sollecito thinks Knox might have participated in the murder. And it wouldn't mean that Knox thought Sollecito might have participated in the murder either. Rather, it's the manifestation of the judicial principle that a person should only be found guilty of a criminal offence on the basis of the evidence against that person.

For all of these reason, I hugely doubt whether Sollecito or anyone connected with his was behind the recent highlighting of this CCTV footage. I am virtually certain that there is no attempt (or desire) in the Sollecito camp to suggest in any way whatsoever that Knox might have indeed been involved in the murder without Sollecito's knowledge or assistance. Sollecito knows (as does Knox) that neither of them had anything to do with it. The point about separate defences is nothing to do with seeking to blame the other. It's all about making sure the court acts lawfully in the way it convicts (and acquits).