Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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How many actions that are compatible with either framing or corruption, or both, does it take to equal actual framing or corruption? If the answer is three, well we have fraud or corruption to the extreme since there are many more then three such actions.

CAPTAIN DUDLEY: Would you be willing to plant corroborative evidence on a suspect you knew was guilty in order to ensure an indictment?

SERGEANT EXLEY: Dudley, we've been over this.

DUDLEY: Answer yes or no.

EXLEY: I... No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to rig crime scene evidence to support a prosecuting attorney's working hypothesis...? Yes or no, Edmund.

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to beat confessions out of suspects you knew to be guilty?

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to shoot hardened criminals in the back to offset the chance --

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Then for God's sake, don't be a [LAPD/Perugia] detective.

--L.A. Confidential (1997)
 
I continue to think well of Stefanoni (in that I think she was not deliberately fixing results). I think she really did not think there was a contamination issue. I think that what she had noticed is that if you run lots of samples at LCN eventually you get a result. I think that occasionally she got favourable results; if you are only analysing incriminating samples then so long as one turns up that is fine. Just think of the other samples, if MK DNA had turned up on the Luminol positive samples from Sollecito's flat, or his boxer's or his shoes it would have been just as bad.

I blame the director of the lab whose responsibility it was to ensure proper protocols were in place, and below him the QA manager, (although I suspect there was no QA manager, which illustrates why there should have been one).

I think it is cheating but it is deniable including to oneself. I suspect record keeping was just sloppy they only kept results they thought were significant.



Well then you have to ignore the known facts in the case and what Stefanoni was provably responsible for.

1. She ran tests on samples that she knew were too low to test. She switched to the Qubit to help hide this fact.

2. She went into the detention hearing and lied about the quantification of sample 36b calling it ample and large..." a couple of hundred picograms". Only a year later we discover that the real size is 10 picograms ....maybe 0 picograms. Now how you feeling?

3. When independent experts were assigned by the appeal court they were given authority to review all necessary documents. They requested and were refused the documents they felt they needed. In fact Stefanoni wrote emails to the judge complaining about these requests of C and V. The judge ordered her to turn everything over. She refused. And so a second warning had to be issued to her by the judge. IN USA by this point she would have been in jail for contempt....but Hellmann allowed her insubordination. She delayed turning over documents until the very day the IE report was due. In fact it remains unclear that she ever fully complied since the EDF's still appear to be not turned over. Now did Boindo order her to do these things? Possibly. That can never make her honest or correct.

4. Stefanoni and Comodi twice were caught trying to sneak false control data sheets into the court record. First time they were caught by a lay juror who noticed the incorrectly numbered files in the days court papers. Again Hellmann should have placed both in a jail cell...insted he allowed them some time to produce the correct sheets that they claimed were already in the court record. They were not able to find these records unfortunately. But never fear...Comodi gave it another shot claiming she found the correct documents in a garage somewhere...opps...wrong mismatched dates and numbers again. This is when Hellmann finally yelled at her...but only yelled.

5. How is it that Stefanoni remembered to do the TMB test for blood... but that when she got into court she "forgot" to mention that?

I have bridge for sale...are you interested?

It is not a massive conspiracy...but I am certain that in a small group of corrupt officials...Stefanoni is one of that group. She is a sloppy face saving liar. Not a scientist. Not an honest scientist certainly...not even a curious scientist. She is a corrupt police person...nothing more.
 
CAPTAIN DUDLEY: Would you be willing to plant corroborative evidence on a suspect you knew was guilty in order to ensure an indictment?

SERGEANT EXLEY: Dudley, we've been over this.

DUDLEY: Answer yes or no.

EXLEY: I... No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to rig crime scene evidence to support a prosecuting attorney's working hypothesis...? Yes or no, Edmund.

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to beat confessions out of suspects you knew to be guilty?

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to shoot hardened criminals in the back to offset the chance --

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Then for God's sake, don't be a [LAPD/Perugia] detective.

--L.A. Confidential (1997)

One of my favorites Sonia. I think I posted that dialogue here about 3 years ago.. So this brought a big smile to my face. Great scene with Guy Pearce and James Cromwell. Probably have seen this movie a dozen times

Absolute classic. The book the movie was based on was great too. It was this movie that I discovered Russell Crowe, and I have liked him in every movie since...with maybe the exception of Les Miserables. (Crowe CAN'T sing).

And if people don't think that cops and "scientific police" don't on occasion step over this line, they are kidding themselves.
 
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I posted a couple of times before that there was a thin earphone/earbud type wire coming out of Meredith's white shoulder bag and going under the pillow she was found on top of. It turns out there is a picture of the earbud on Steve Moore's website. I uploaded the pic, click on the thumb to see a large version, the earbud is peaking out of the left side of the pillow:

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I noticed this very same thing and also saved the pic file. I have never seen the cord in MK purse pic. Do you have that as well?

Probably as relevant as the lone q-tip photo but who knows?

For clarity was it MK purse or her large bag? The purse was on the bed IIRC. I thought the bag was hung on the chair. Honestly I have not seen many crime scene photos...only those from Ron Hendrys analysis mostly.
 
One of my favorites Sonia. I think I posted that dialogue here about 3 years ago.. So this brought a big smile to my face. Great scene with Guy Pearce and James Cromwell. Probably have seen this movie a dozen times.

As have I. It's so beautifully put together. Even Basinger is bearable.

Absolute classic. The book the movie was based on was great too.

I like Ellroy's novels, but I appreciated that the two cops (White & Exley) in the movie adaptation were not painted quite as dark as in the book.

It was this movie that I discovered Russell Crowe, and I have liked him in every movie since...with maybe the exception of Les Miserables. (Crowe CAN'T sing).

No, he can't. But the man can act. Spacey's Jack Vincennes is my favorite performance in this one, however.

And if people don't think that cops and "scientific police" don't on occasion step over this line, they are kidding themselves.

"On occasion"? It would seem that Perugia's investigators had no problem whatsoever committing three out of Dudley's four "hypotheticals."
 
We are all guests here on JREF. Let's try to keep our litter confined to this corner. There is plenty of room to branch out discussions on the IIP sub forum of IA (many of the threads already exist) and for really detailed examination of the evidence I would suggest my wiki is the place to be.
I will read there then. Was the dna applied with pressure as some assert? Can it be established?
 
CAPTAIN DUDLEY: Would you be willing to plant corroborative evidence on a suspect you knew was guilty in order to ensure an indictment?

SERGEANT EXLEY: Dudley, we've been over this.

DUDLEY: Answer yes or no.

EXLEY: I... No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to rig crime scene evidence to support a prosecuting attorney's working hypothesis...? Yes or no, Edmund.

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to beat confessions out of suspects you knew to be guilty?

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Would you be willing to shoot hardened criminals in the back to offset the chance --

EXLEY: No.

DUDLEY: Then for God's sake, don't be a [LAPD/Perugia] detective.

--L.A. Confidential (1997)

Priceless
 
Hi all,
I've been wondering a bit about the robbery at Christian Tramontano's residence.

What date did it occur?
Was it close to when Rudy needed to pay his rent?
What time did it happen?
Was it a 1 or 2 story residence?
Was the open window on the 1st or 2nd floor?


Digging around, I found this, of which I was unaware of.
It is a book written by 1 of the investigative reporters from Italian magazine Oggi,
Maria D'Elia :'IL DELITTO DI PERUGIA - L'ALTRA VERITÀ'

KayPea quotes from it:
From Maria D'Elia's The Crime of Perugia, p 23-4

She begins: Christian Tramontano lives in Perugia. The night between Sept. 1 and 2, 2007 there is a robbery in his flat. He is threatened with a knife, recognizes Rudy as his aggressor.

Maria then quotes from Christian’s statement:

" … the day before or on September 2, 2007, at about six in the morning, my girlfriend and I were awakened by noises coming from under our bed, a loft bed. I looked down and saw a young black man searching through our personal belongings. I immediately got out of bed and tried to chase him out of our flat. He ran away, down the spiral staircase to the lower floor, but he found the door locked. At that point, to keep me at a distance, he held up a chair, then pulled out a jackknife (clasp knife). Frightened, I escaped upstairs; at that time my girlfriend called 113. The young man had managed to escape and I waited for the arrival of the police (volante). My girlfriend and I carried out an investigation and we discovered that the young man had stolen a 5-euro bill and three credit cards, one of mine and two of my girlfriend’s. I add that the young thief had liquor on his breath and spoke correct Italian. The same night of the theft, it seems to me that I saw this young colored man at the Domus disco and I said that to my girlfriend. After the murder of the English girl, I saw a photo of one of the arrestees (prisoner) in the newspapers, speaking of Rudy Guede, and it seemed to me that I recognized (mi sembra di riconoscerlo ) the young colored man who had robbed my house and who I saw at the Domus and in the historic center after the theft. "


KayPea also quotes from an old ABC News article
and the full post of that old Perugia Shock I quoted from yesterday:
http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2617


Sept. 2, 2007 was on a Sunday morning.
Rudy Guede's rent was due. From what I gather, he was not working then.
I recall Guede stating that after Halloween was over, he left The Domus nightclub when they closed, he said it was at 5:00 or 5:30am. Guede sleep most of the day afterwards, before his "date" with Meredith.

From all that I've read, Rudy Guede apparently was a night owl, a dude who hit the clubs often.
I'm a morning person, up at dawn, looking for surf.
So I wonder what Guede was doing inside of CT's flat at 6:00 in the morning?

It seems to me that Rudy might've been a little drunk that morning after the nightclubs closed from a long Saturday night and decided to enter his neighbor CT's flat when he saw an open window while walking on his way home from a night out...

I wonder if the open window he entered was upstairs, on the 2nd floor, or downstairs?
Strange how Guede seems to like to enter a residence thru the window but leave thru the front door.
He didn't get much $ though. I wonder who else had their flat burglarized right around that time so Rudy could pay his rent?
 
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I think Rudy said he was on the toilet listening to an Ipod. I doubt he was using this particular earbud because the other end of the wire goes into Meredith's bag.

It is possible Meredith was listening to her own Ipod when she came home. That would have made it easier for Rudy to sneak up on her. Or maybe they were both listening to Ipods and bumped into each other.
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Yes, anything is possible. A PGP person could take that picture and somehow create a satanic ritual of music forced on Meredith by Amanda. It has to be Amanda , it cant be Rudy or Raffaele, some obsession the Pro-Guillotine Squad has for Amanda. But then motives aren't needed, and neither is DNA in this case.

So.....ok the earbuds..... Rudys first date with Meredith and he goes and has diahrea and casually listens to a few songs on his earbuds while on the toilet.
Maybe while Rudy was saving Meredith he stuck the earbuds back in the purse, because he is not a thief. You see Maresca is right all along, Rudy is a saint, not a thief. Poor Rudy wouldnt even steal some earbuds.

Rudy on the toilet alibi..... or is anything possible? all 50000 scenarios are possible.

I'd like to know if Barbie was paid a lot for drudging up the CCTV film.
Maybe increase some interest in her projects and keep her income going.
 
Nencini is and Nencini is not - critical of C&V that is.

One of the reasons The Supreme Court overturned Hellmann was not because of C&V, per se. It was because they thought that Hellmann had abdicated his judicial responsibility by letting C&V decide not to test sample 36i on its own. The ISC tasked the Florence trial with correcting this mistake - not of C&V's, but of Hellmann's. With regard to the other findings of C&V, Nencini simply seems to return to the logic used by Massei, the 1st level judge who did not want an independent test at all. The "logic" with Massei was (basically) if Stefanoni claimed it, it must be true.

To say that the Florence motivations is critical of C&V's findings is not actually true. The motivations will raise certain issues which one assumes might have been picked up later in the document to contribute to a conclusion, then the point is lost.

And if you regard the Florence motivations as having any credibility whatsoever, what do you make of Raffaele's DNA now being claimed on the knife? That was not even claimed by the prosecutor, Crini?



Ya...no. This obviously comes from Franks article and opinion. And while I really like and even enjoy Franks articles I think he often gets things wrong. I seem to recall he still thinks Stefanoni is just a honest scientist trapped in a situation or something like that. But he is wrong and here is why...

When the IE were doing their testing, representatives from all sides were always present...for the prosecution I think Stefanoni herself was there and others possibly.

When C and V pointed out this possible sample I it was agreed by all...with no dissents by anyone...that there was no point doing a test on this sample since it was too small. That is or should have been the end of the story about that sample. The fact that Novelli comes along years later and in an effort to prop up Galacti he invents this problem with the failure to test sample I.

Unfortunately no one (on the defense) was clever enough to use the prosecution trick and state... hey wait a minute....you were there...why were you silent or rather in agreement that no test was required?

This is not a mistake by C and V nor a mistake by Hellmann. It is a mistake by the ISC for considering it to be a real issue. But OK...

So the "better police" took the precautions and followed or at least pretended to follow some rules and got a result that was repeatable and followed required standards or so they at least state...so fine and it turns out to be Knox and not Kercher...also fine but what the corrupt court now misses is that sample I might be legit...none the less sample 36b can never be legit. And the "better police" as much as state that by stating the proper precautions they took with 36I.

The knife was discredited not only by bed sheet imprint size and by mismatched wound size but also by a completely bogus DNA test on 36B which no matter what the result seems to indicate cannot be accurate and even raises it to the level of something suspicious and indicative of a corrupt act...and if only because of contamination then still corrupt because of all the voodoo dance surrounding it...missing controls, a bis? run? a less than forthcoming or helpful attitude of the scientists...in fact the opposite of that.

Maybe Franks story will be correct about what the ISC must do in the end but how he is getting to there is simply wrong IMO. Frank is wrong about Stefanoni and he was wrong about Nara and I suspect he is wrong about the ISC reasoning for ordering a retrial...but if he is trying to teach them how to put theirs asses out... since they are totally on fire, then good for him...he tried to do that with Mignini and look at the thanks he got for that effort.
 
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Rudy had a phone?

What?
Rudy called 1 of the Spanish students to hang out on Halloween, the day before Meredith was murdered
and because of this 2 of the Spanish students were summoned by ILE to return to Perugia from Switzerland for questioning?
I wonder who else Rudy Guede called?

Link:
http://www.lne.es/sucesos/2011/10/05/copas-asesino-perugia/1138272.html

I translated using results from 3 translators:
http://www.spanishdict.com/translation


A journalist of LA NUEVA ESPAÑA spent in 2007 a night of drinking with Rudy Guede, only convicted of the murder in Perugia (Italy) of Meredith Kercher after the acquittal of Raffaelle Sollecito and Amanda Knox. But it wasn't any night. The meeting took place just 24 hours before to the brutal murder of the English student.


NACHO AZPARREN:
"My name is Rudy, i was born in South Africa but i spent all my childhood in Atlanta (United States). I am in Italy working for Armani". Of the first phrases that hear from Rudy Guede in October of 2007 the name was only to the truth. The rest was invented. Rudy was born in Ivory Coast, i had never lived in the United States, or worked for Armani. Our first meeting in Perugia (Italy), took place ten days before the murder of Meredith Kercher. And the night before the murder, on November 1, 2007, the Ivorian today that is convicted of the crime came out with a group of Spaniards among whom I was.

The surprising decision of the Court of Appeal of Perugia, which acquitted monday to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, leaves only to Rudy Guede under conviction. At the end of September 2007, two months before the murder, Guede began to forge friendship with the group of Spanish students of Erasmus that we had just arrived in Perugia. Guede lived in the "Corso Garibaldi", a street something away from the center where we're longtime former most of Erasmus. It was in an old house, in the style of the Italian that landlords often hire foreign students: a building uncomfortable whose only advantage is the proximity to the universities Degli Studi Capita and Eternal Foreigners. Guede was a neighbor of two girls from Valladolid, Marta and Carolina, who shared floor with two Italian: Nicoletta and Sara.

My first contact with Rudy Guede took place in mid-October, about 10 days before the event. In celebration of the birthday of a neighbour of Guede, I was introduced to the Ivorian. For us Rudy was just a fun African-American, an outgoing guy that basketball liked and partying.

Guede confidence with their neighbors of Corso Garibaldi was total. The Ivorian and her neighbors House was connected by a room that was doing laundry. "Rudy was one more. We did the wash at the same time and helped us when it is spoiling us electrical appliances,"says Carolina, neighboring. "I remember when you taught me how to use the washing machine. "Like me he had no idea of Italian just told me: ' White with white!'", adds.

The Spanish shared with Guede the building energy costs. The level of intimacy between the neighbours allowed Carolina know Guede House. "It was a very small room filled with computers.
I was surprised because we had no internet there. He explained to me that in addition to Armani worked in something related to computing, as his father had done," says his neighbor in 2007. The way of life of the Ivorian drew attention. It was common for several days away from his home. In his absences, Guede stated that traveling to Milan, to give an account of his work for Armani. The alleged use of Ivorian was to prepare the lighting systems in presentations and gateways. One day (showed) photos embraced to Giorgio Armani. But something was not fit, highlights Carolina

The supposed American origin of Guede was the next aspect that we began to doubt. Sara, another Spanish studying in Perugia, had been the first to suspect his passing through the United States. The girl, mother born in Philadelphia, said a few minutes that his accent was not American.

The biggest Guede contact with the group of Spanish took place in the night of Halloween, one day before the murder of Meredith Kercher. The friendliness created by the ivory one in the previous(prior) appointments did that we were inviting him to go out that night with us. In the first meetings, Guede had avoided to give us its mobile phone. There limited himself to pointing the number of Carlos, Valencian student who served of connection the day of Halloween.

The same day as we were going to celebrate the holiday Rudy called me to sign up», mentions Carlos. The two had forged friendship based on the basketball. Guede was a habitual one of thestreet parties that are celebrated(held) in front of Palazzo Galenga, one of the university constructions with more crossbeam in Italy

"He told me that he had played in the Atlanta University. I thought that he meant to impress because there were many gaps in the history,"says Carlos. That night you behaved in a normal way. I was with him all night and not noticed anything unusual in their attitude. The day after the murder I also came across it at the Domus, the Disco that we attended. On that occasion had acted a serious and rough, nothing to do with his usual character.

We find out about the happened by means of the Police of Perugia. The newspapers had done to themselves echo of the brutal murder of one Erasmus Englishwoman, but nobody between the Spanish we relate the event to Guede. «Come to Police station immediately». Carlos and Carolina were in Switzerland when they received the call of the agents. At its arrival to Perugia they accompanied them to the Police station. The call of Guede to Carlos the day of Halloween had been the culprit of the subpoena.
Guede was arrested in Germany, was tried and sentenced to 16 years imprisonment for the murder of Meredith Kercher. None of us would suspect it.
 
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Bill Williams said:
One of the reasons The Supreme Court overturned Hellmann was not because of C&V, per se. It was because they thought that Hellmann had abdicated his judicial responsibility by letting C&V decide not to test sample 36i on its own. The ISC tasked the Florence trial with correcting this mistake - not of C&V's, but of Hellmann's.

Ya...no. This obviously comes from Franks article and opinion. And while I really like and even enjoy Franks articles I think he often gets things wrong.
Sorry RandyN. Frank Sf. may have said this at one time, I don't know about that, but this rationale is taken straight from the motivations report which buttresses the March 2013 reversal of the acquittals.

For me it is yet another reason why Nencini should have acquitted, too. All the evidence his court looked at went the defence's way.... Sample 36i may have been the great unknown, but it is now know.

But there's that other matter that swirls in my tiny brain, none of the motivations reports, not one of them (as mentioned upthread by many) makes mention of the destruction of 165 (the bra clasp) by improper storage. Unlike the knife which IS available for new testing that clasp is gone.

There is no evidence against Raffaele.... literally. Once destroyed the evidence is gone. One of the reasons for locking someone up in preventative detention is to prevent them from tampering with evidence....

.... yet Stefanoni destroys evidence and it doesn't even merit a mention, not even in Hellmann's report.
 
I noticed this very same thing and also saved the pic file. I have never seen the cord in MK purse pic. Do you have that as well?

Probably as relevant as the lone q-tip photo but who knows?

For clarity was it MK purse or her large bag? The purse was on the bed IIRC. I thought the bag was hung on the chair. Honestly I have not seen many crime scene photos...only those from Ron Hendrys analysis mostly.
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Uploading photos to JREF is a pain in the ass. Instead of telling me the photo is too big, it would be nice if they would just shrink it for me.

Anyway, there are a few photos that show the bag and wire, only one I know of that shows the earbud. Here are a couple of the best showing the wire. The second one is more for perspective. Click on the thumb to see the larger ones I uploaded, although even those are only 25% of the original size.

One other thing about these photos and others I have seen is that the bottom of Meredith's socks look reddish, like she stepped in blood. If so, that indicates to me that she had already removed her shoes before she was attacked. I think she may have bled quite a bit by the head of the bed when she was first attacked, and while struggling to get away she stepped in some of her own blood.

I can only imagine how terrified she must have been. Poor, poor Meredith Mignini, not 'poor Rudy'.


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Nice detective work, CodyJuneau!!!
And that theory of yours makes sense too,
I mean why would the other end of the earphones be found where it was?

CodyJuneau said:
I think Rudy said he was on the toilet listening to an Ipod. I doubt he was using this particular earbud because the other end of the wire goes into Meredith's bag.

It is possible Meredith was listening to her own Ipod when she came home. That would have made it easier for Rudy to sneak up on her. Or maybe they were both listening to Ipods and bumped into each other.
 
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Hey ya'all,
You know that I've been digging for info on Rudy Guede, right?
Sure ya do, and you know that I recently posted what Rudy,
during his March 2008 2nd Interrogation with PM Mignini,
said he wore to his 1st "date' with Meredith:
Guede wore a Eco United t-shirt, a thin Adidas sweater with a gold logo and gold stripes on it,
and also a yellow hooded sweater -(a hoodie?) with red and blue writing on it.

Have a look at the link from my last post:
http://www.lne.es/sucesos/2011/10/05/copas-asesino-perugia/1138272.html

Ain't that Rudy wearin' the Eco United t-shirt?
Or did the interrogation recorder mis-type Ecko Unltd,
kinda like some other office clerk did too when writing Rudi's err, Rudy's name?

Is that Rudy maybe wearin' a thin gold stripped Adidas sweater too?
Whatever, the dude sure was dressed to kill for that 1st "date",
yet he didn't even pack any condoms.
Hmmmm...
 
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See how Mignini butts in with incorrect information. He thinks he knows what steps Rudy is talking about because he has previous testimony from people that saw a black man running up the steps beside the basketball court. But those steps are not on Rudy's route home. From Rudy's description, he wanted to avoid the main street that goes directly to his house. He goes up a secondary street parallel to the university to the steps...

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ETA: Google maps doesn't show any connection at the top of theses steps but there is another set on Via Lupitelli that does connect through but this one was more photogenic.

Rudy should know the area since he lives there. Being able to recall details of the route is not evidence that he took that route on that night. Somehow the phones and possibly the murder weapon and Meredith's keys ended up on the other side of the park.


Thanks for the info Dan O.!
I do keep in mind that PM Mignini interrogated Rudy for 7 hours back in Dec. of 2007, right after he was returned from Germany. Surely Mignini must have asked Rudy what route he took when he split, leaving Meredith to die.

I'd still like to see a map of what way Rudy says that he walked,
along with an arrow pointing to where the phones were found...
RW
 
Well then you have to ignore the known facts in the case and what Stefanoni was provably responsible for.

1. She ran tests on samples that she knew were too low to test. She switched to the Qubit to help hide this fact.

2. She went into the detention hearing and lied about the quantification of sample 36b calling it ample and large..." a couple of hundred picograms". Only a year later we discover that the real size is 10 picograms ....maybe 0 picograms. Now how you feeling?

3. When independent experts were assigned by the appeal court they were given authority to review all necessary documents. They requested and were refused the documents they felt they needed. In fact Stefanoni wrote emails to the judge complaining about these requests of C and V. The judge ordered her to turn everything over. She refused. And so a second warning had to be issued to her by the judge. IN USA by this point she would have been in jail for contempt....but Hellmann allowed her insubordination. She delayed turning over documents until the very day the IE report was due. In fact it remains unclear that she ever fully complied since the EDF's still appear to be not turned over. Now did Boindo order her to do these things? Possibly. That can never make her honest or correct.

4. Stefanoni and Comodi twice were caught trying to sneak false control data sheets into the court record. First time they were caught by a lay juror who noticed the incorrectly numbered files in the days court papers. Again Hellmann should have placed both in a jail cell...insted he allowed them some time to produce the correct sheets that they claimed were already in the court record. They were not able to find these records unfortunately. But never fear...Comodi gave it another shot claiming she found the correct documents in a garage somewhere...opps...wrong mismatched dates and numbers again. This is when Hellmann finally yelled at her...but only yelled.

5. How is it that Stefanoni remembered to do the TMB test for blood... but that when she got into court she "forgot" to mention that?

I have bridge for sale...are you interested?

It is not a massive conspiracy...but I am certain that in a small group of corrupt officials...Stefanoni is one of that group. She is a sloppy face saving liar. Not a scientist. Not an honest scientist certainly...not even a curious scientist. She is a corrupt police person...nothing more.

You make a very strong case.
 
The problem is that running a samples and getting NO results is in fact getting a result and a tech should be just as pleased with a negative result.

But Stefanoni's approach ended up being a suspect oriented approach. I can't excuse Stefanoni that easily since she is willing to ignore the negative TMB results and refuse to turn over the EDF files. This is not what I would say is an academic approach to the truth.

I agree. Negative results are real results not just nulls. Nencini seems to sense that in that he has to deal with the lack of physical evidence, so rather than saying that this is positive evidence of lack of involvement, he either ignores it completely or does this 'there is no evidence they are guilty therefore they must have removed it'. A sort of anti-contamination. For all the statement that DNA cannot fly when it comes to contaminating things it seems Nencini is more than happy to accept DNA, fingerprints etc. can all fly out of the window when needed.
 
What?
Rudy called 1 of the Spanish students to hang out on Halloween, the day before Meredith was murdered
and because of this 2 of the Spanish students were summoned by ILE to return to Perugia from Switzerland for questioning?
I wonder who else Rudy Guede called?

Link:
http://www.lne.es/sucesos/2011/10/05/copas-asesino-perugia/1138272.html

I translated using results from 3 translators:
http://www.spanishdict.com/translation


A journalist of LA NUEVA ESPAÑA spent in 2007 a night of drinking with Rudy Guede, only convicted of the murder in Perugia (Italy) of Meredith Kercher after the acquittal of Raffaelle Sollecito and Amanda Knox. But it wasn't any night. The meeting took place just 24 hours before to the brutal murder of the English student.


NACHO AZPARREN:
"My name is Rudy, i was born in South Africa but i spent all my childhood in Atlanta (United States). I am in Italy working for Armani". Of the first phrases that hear from Rudy Guede in October of 2007 the name was only to the truth. The rest was invented. Rudy was born in Ivory Coast, i had never lived in the United States, or worked for Armani. Our first meeting in Perugia (Italy), took place ten days before the murder of Meredith Kercher. And the night before the murder, on November 1, 2007, the Ivorian today that is convicted of the crime came out with a group of Spaniards among whom I was.

The surprising decision of the Court of Appeal of Perugia, which acquitted monday to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, leaves only to Rudy Guede under conviction. At the end of September 2007, two months before the murder, Guede began to forge friendship with the group of Spanish students of Erasmus that we had just arrived in Perugia. Guede lived in the "Corso Garibaldi", a street something away from the center where we're longtime former most of Erasmus. It was in an old house, in the style of the Italian that landlords often hire foreign students: a building uncomfortable whose only advantage is the proximity to the universities Degli Studi Capita and Eternal Foreigners. Guede was a neighbor of two girls from Valladolid, Marta and Carolina, who shared floor with two Italian: Nicoletta and Sara.

My first contact with Rudy Guede took place in mid-October, about 10 days before the event. In celebration of the birthday of a neighbour of Guede, I was introduced to the Ivorian. For us Rudy was just a fun African-American, an outgoing guy that basketball liked and partying.

Guede confidence with their neighbors of Corso Garibaldi was total. The Ivorian and her neighbors House was connected by a room that was doing laundry. "Rudy was one more. We did the wash at the same time and helped us when it is spoiling us electrical appliances,"says Carolina, neighboring. "I remember when you taught me how to use the washing machine. "Like me he had no idea of Italian just told me: ' White with white!'", adds.

The Spanish shared with Guede the building energy costs. The level of intimacy between the neighbours allowed Carolina know Guede House. "It was a very small room filled with computers. I was surprised because we had no internet there. He explained to me that in addition to Armani worked in something related to computing, as his father had done," says his neighbor in 2007. The way of life of the Ivorian drew attention. It was common for several days away from his home. In his absences, Guede stated that traveling to Milan, to give an account of his work for Armani. The alleged use of Ivorian was to prepare the lighting systems in presentations and gateways. One day (showed) photos embraced to Giorgio Armani. But something was not fit, highlights Carolina

The supposed American origin of Guede was the next aspect that we began to doubt. Sara, another Spanish studying in Perugia, had been the first to suspect his passing through the United States. The girl, mother born in Philadelphia, said a few minutes that his accent was not American.

The biggest Guede contact with the group of Spanish took place in the night of Halloween, one day before the murder of Meredith Kercher. The friendliness created by the ivory one in the previous(prior) appointments did that we were inviting him to go out that night with us. In the first meetings, Guede had avoided to give us its mobile phone. There limited himself to pointing the number of Carlos, Valencian student who served of connection the day of Halloween.

The same day as we were going to celebrate the holiday Rudy called me to sign up», mentions Carlos. The two had forged friendship based on the basketball. Guede was a habitual one of thestreet parties that are celebrated(held) in front of Palazzo Galenga, one of the university constructions with more crossbeam in Italy

"He told me that he had played in the Atlanta University. I thought that he meant to impress because there were many gaps in the history,"says Carlos. That night you behaved in a normal way. I was with him all night and not noticed anything unusual in their attitude. The day after the murder I also came across it at the Domus, the Disco that we attended. On that occasion had acted a serious and rough, nothing to do with his usual character.

We find out about the happened by means of the Police of Perugia. The newspapers had done to themselves echo of the brutal murder of one Erasmus Englishwoman, but nobody between the Spanish we relate the event to Guede. «Come to Police station immediately». Carlos and Carolina were in Switzerland when they received the call of the agents. At its arrival to Perugia they accompanied them to the Police station. The call of Guede to Carlos the day of Halloween had been the culprit of the subpoena.
Guede was arrested in Germany, was tried and sentenced to 16 years imprisonment for the murder of Meredith Kercher. None of us would suspect it.
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Very interesting article.

1 Rudy's apartment was filled with computers! Sounds like Nencini got one thing right at least. Rudi (appeasing Grinder), was a professional burglar. Did the police ever mention finding all these computers in Rudee's apartment? I wonder if it was filled with cell phones and SIM cards also?

2 So Guede called Carlos Halloween night and the police tracked that call? Do we have the telephone records for Rudie? Do we know which number(s) Rudey was using?
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