Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Daylightstar]

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Btw, it turns out MY memory was not faulty. At least one person, and i bet others, presumed Scorpion had a baby brother who died in the war as a vet. And that wasnt the case.

^{Hilite by Daylightstar}
The "as a vet" was added by you, Iamme.

... I was once told I had a brother that died in the war as a baby, and I was even told his name. ... he had grown up in the spirit world, and he wanted ...

... I had a brother that died in the war as a baby, and she even told me his name. ...

But it's understandable since Scorpion employes rather ambiguous language with: "in the war" where he should have used "during he war".
This ambiguity may be intentional.

On top of that, since you have previously indicated to post from your phone exclusively, a small screen combined with fidgety typing might 'help' you fill in any missing 'details' in your mind.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

All the things we have done in life make us who we are now ... still keeping on trying to do the best we can!

Karen and I have a playlist of favorite songs.

We met late in life.

While we often wonder how things would have played out had we met sooner, one song on that list is "Bless The Broken Road".

Maybe a bit heavy on the schmaltz, but when either one of us says "Broken Road", we know exactly what the other means.

 

[dlorde]

Btw, it turns out MY memory was not faulty. At least one person, and i bet others, presumed Scorpion had a baby brother who died in the war as a vet. And that wasnt the case.

The only person I recall explicitly mentioning Scorpion's baby brother was me, and that only to say, "A lot of baby brothers died during the war" (#231).

Please put us out of our misery and link or quote the relevant post. Alternatively, explain how you're now sure your memory wasn't faulty after all...

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

For one thing the spirit body has no sexuality, and we also do not feel emotions like we do in the flesh. Also there are no great challenges or pressures put upon us as immortal spirits.

Sounds awful. Why would anybody consider this a good thing?

 

[Iamme]

I haven't gone back to read it again but I understood Scorpion to mean that his brother died as a baby during the war. Not because of the war, just during it. Of course he could have been killed in the blitz.

I found the post i was looking for on page 6. But you are right. Nobody actually said anything about the brother dying while serving in the war.
I had that ingrained in my own head from the fact that my maternal and paternal brothers BOTH had brothers die in the war...as vets.
I figured the only reason a psychic would bring up the time period of the war is if someone was killed because of it. Also from the fact that if you say during the war...when is 'during'?; when the war officially began or when that person`s country entered the war?
Anyway, it was my own mind that decieved me i guess. Because of what i said.

 

[Iamme]

dlorde, see my answer above.
Kindly stop riding me.
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Yes, it was Scorpion`s quote, as shown in post #341 just above, that indeed got me thinking the way i did.

 

[Scorpion]

Scorpion,
out of morbid curiosity--what the heck were you painting that was just blue and white?

A picture with a lot of sky in it.

 

[Scorpion]

Scorpion do not be bullied by posters on here. I too have had many messages from the dead and know that we do not die, we live on in the spiritual world. We are souls and rejoin souls in the after world and have the choice to be born again or not. In all the world I do believe that there are very few that are pychic and so the other millions do not believe us. I do know for sure there is another life after this and I live in peace with that. Sad that others can't grasp it

Yea thanks, I remember another experience that convinced me that esp exists.
I once had a friend that lived down the road, and one night I was very upset about something and I was having what might be described as a panic attack. I think it could have put me in a mental hospital that night if no one had helped me. But my friend sensed something was wrong with me, and he came running up the road. I did not answer the bell because I was too upset so he got the landlady to let him in and he came running in and said "are you alright". He then sat with me and talked me down. All I needed was a friend to talk to me and I was ok, and that is the only time it ever happened.
He did not make a habit of bursting in on me, and I did not make a habit of having a breakdown. So I have always remembered that incident as evidence to me that some people have esp.

 

[Iamme]

Pixel42, thanks i went onto that thread, read OP #1...then when i read post #2, i scratched my head, being thrown for a loop by the unexpected last sentence, so i reread it again, and scratched my head again.
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Carry on. Not to derail.

 

[Scorpion]

Shouldn't she have been looking at a baby when she "saw" your brother? Did you at that time look like a baby?

I went on to say he had grown up in the spirit world. Babies that die grow up in the spirit world, and old people that die grow younger. Until everyone reaches the prime of life.

 

[Iamme]

Yea thanks, I remember another experience that convinced me tha esp exists.
I once had a friend that lived down the road, and one night I was very uspset about something and I was having what might be described as a panic attack. I think it could have put me in a mental hospital that night if no one had helped me. But my friend sensed something was wrong with me, and he came running up the road. I did not answer the bell because I was too upset so he got the landlady to let him in and he came running in and said "are you alright". He then sat with me and talked me down. All I needed was a friend to talk to me and I was ok, and that is the only time it ever happened.
He did not make a habit of bursting in on me, and I did not make a habit of having a breakdown. So I have always remembered that incident as evidence to me that some people have esp.

Fascinating. Gravestones explanation can`t answer THIS one.

 

[Scorpion]

Scorpion

Ever the optimist, I do so hope that the doubts you have mentioned, and the fact that you are here on JREF, will bring you to the firm ground of reality. Also, may I say that, if you reach the clear truth that there are no messages from some afterlife, do not spend time on regret for the time invested in spiritualism etc. As a wise Aunt of mine used to say, 'You did the best you could at the time and took the decisions that were right for you at the time,' and regretting those decisions will not, cannot, change things. All the things we have done in life make us who we are now ... still keeping on trying to do the best we can!

As a matter of fact, the more I remember of my experiences, the more convinced I become that I was right, and there is a spirit world.

 

[Iamme]

(Slap) Oh for god`s sakes. Your landlady called him up, but didnt want to tell you. She saw you were in need of help.

 

[Joey McGee]

Yea thanks, I remember another experience that convinced me tha esp exists.
I once had a friend that lived down the road, and one night I was very uspset about something and I was having what might be described as a panic attack. I think it could have put me in a mental hospital that night if no one had helped me. But my friend sensed something was wrong with me, and he came running up the road. I did not answer the bell because I was too upset so he got the landlady to let him in and he came running in and said "are you alright". He then sat with me and talked me down. All I needed was a friend to talk to me and I was ok, and that is the only time it ever happened.
He did not make a habit of bursting in on me, and I did not make a habit of having a breakdown. So I have always remembered that incident as evidence to me that some people have esp.

Did you ever consider an alternative explanation? Like, you were acting strangely leading up to this incident and the guy was sitting at home thinking you probably need someone to go check in on you?

How would you design a test for the existence of such esp that you feel would succeed when many decades of such tests have failed?

 

[Pixel42]

(Slap) Oh for god`s sakes. Your landlady called him up, but didnt want to tell you. She saw you were in need of help.

Bingo.

Scorpion: all the experiences you have described have more plausible explanations than the existence of the paranormal. If you truly find them convincing then all I can say is that IMO you have set the bar far too low.

 

[Scorpion]

(Slap) Oh for god`s sakes. Your landlady called him up, but didnt want to tell you. She saw you were in need of help.

To my best recollection my landlady did not know my friend very well, and she therefore did not have his phone number,or know where he lived.
Besides I was alone, and sitting quietly, not attracting any attention.

 

[Iamme]

This might help, in trying to understand Scorpion`s latest claim; panic attacks are of short duration. While an anxiety disorder could be more apparent to someone else over a long period of time. Some people have both anxiety disorder with episodes of panic attacks.
(Any minute this phone will shut off on me for hours again.)
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ETA: More specifically, panic attacks can come on with no apparent warning or symptoms to yourself or others observing you. But if you are an anxious person on some regular basis, that`s another story.

 

[steenkh]

I went on to say he had grown up in the spirit world. Babies that die grow up in the spirit world, and old people that die grow younger. Until everyone reaches the prime of life.

Human imagination is without limits off course. I hope you can see yourself that this is an ad hoc explanation that is just invented without any actual evidence behind?

I wonder why you stopped coming to the spiritualist church because when you were constantly confirmed in your belief that spiritualism is true, then surely you had every reason to keep coming there?

I once had a friend that lived down the road, and one night I was very upset about something and I was having what might be described as a panic attack. I think it could have put me in a mental hospital that night if no one had helped me. But my friend sensed something was wrong with me, and he came running up the road. I did not answer the bell because I was too upset so he got the landlady to let him in and he came running in and said "are you alright". He then sat with me and talked me down. All I needed was a friend to talk to me and I was ok, and that is the only time it ever happened.
He did not make a habit of bursting in on me, and I did not make a habit of having a breakdown. So I have always remembered that incident as evidence to me that some people have esp.

But he himself was unaware of it?

I have myself been aware that a person in another town was planning a suicide, even though I had had no contact with her. This was not because of any esp on my part, but was based on my knowledge of her and her life pattern. In fact, it was the lack of contact that convinced me that something was amiss. (I was right, but fortunately her suicide attempt was very half-hearted. She wanted to be found, and fortunately, she was.)

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I had that ingrained in my own head from the fact that my maternal and paternal brothers BOTH had brothers die in the war...as vets.

Shows how hard it is to communicate precisely.

How could they die IN the war, if they were veterans?

Or did you mean they died, as veterans, while the war was still ongoing?

This is what makes it so hard to discern what a psychic actually said, absent a recording. And as I said before, the recording a friend presented as evidence to me of an "intuitive" was quite unconvincing.

 

[Pixel42]

I went on to say he had grown up in the spirit world. Babies that die grow up in the spirit world, and old people that die grow younger. Until everyone reaches the prime of life.

But you said earlier:

We cannot spiritually evolve in the spirit world as much as we can in a physical body.

which suggests we don't have physical bodies in the spirit world. Now you're saying we do, and they can age not only forward but backward?

You also said we keep incarnating and then returning to the spirit world. Why would a baby continue to be a baby in the spirit world when it could presumably just go back to the "prime of life" body it had last time?

Very little of this is making much sense to me, I'm afraid.

To my best recollection my landlady did not know my friend very well, and she therefore did not have his phone number,or know where he lived.
Besides I was alone, and sitting quietly, not attracting any attention.

Perhaps she had the phone number of someone else, who rang your other friend because he was closer? Perhaps the original phone call was made when you were showing more signs of being upset, and the friend didn't get the message asking him to look in on you until later?