Yeah, More Evidence of "Global Warming."

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Okay, I am among the first to say we need to cut the amount of pollutants we dump into our atmosphere, but so much of the "Global Warming" panic has nothing to do with what's really going on in this old world of ours.

And now, we get this:

UAE sees snow for first time ever

Thu Dec 30,12:09 PM ET

DUBAI (AFP) - Snow has fallen over the United Arab Emirates for the first time ever, leaving a white blanket over the mountains of Ras al-Khaimah as the desert country experienced a cold spell and above-average rainfall.

Dubai airport's meteorology department told AFP that snow fell over the Al-Jees mountain range in Ras al-Khaimah, which is the most northerly member of the UAE federation.

The English-language Gulf News reported that the mountain cluster, 5,700 feet (1,737 metres) above sea level, "had heavy night-time snowfall for the past two days as a result of temperatures dropping to as low as minus five Celsius (23 Fahrenheit)" and stunning the emirate's residents.

On Monday, 12.6 millimetres (half an inch) of rain fell on the desert emirate of Dubai, where it hardly ever rains, as police reported 500 accidents on its roads in 24 hours, including one fatality, as a result of a three-day downpour.

A cold spell has hit the country this week, with the mercury plunging to 12 degrees Celsius (53.6 Fahrenheit) in Dubai on Wednesday night.

The meteorology department, however, said the chilly weather in Dubai, where summer temperatures reach 50 Celcius (122 Fahrenheit), will probably end by next week.


Yeah, babe, I'm gonna break out my swim trunks for a dip in the Arctic. :rolleyes:
 
Roadtoad said:
UAE sees snow for first time ever
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You know the truth! Colder than average weather is a sure sign of global warming. Warmer than average weather is a sure sign of global warming. Perfectly average weather...well, there's supposed to be some variation, so that must be a sure sign of something wrong, too.

On the other hand, it was a full 35 degrees (Fahrenheit) warmer than the average high here for this day of the year. Got up to nearly 70F, here in the heart of the midwest. Opened my windows.

Jeremy
 
It's around zero in the N. caspian. Usually minus twenty in January.
So- no sea ice, or not much. This will negatively impact the birth of seal pups. Whereupon local environmentalists will blame offshore drilling, to try to weasel a handout from the HSE dept. to make them shut up.

It's just part of the great annual cycle of human nature.
 
If I understand this global warming cry correctly, then the rate of warming is supposed to be accelerating.

The implications are mindboggling. What it means is that they were crying about global warming long before it could have been detectable.

But hey...
 
rockoon said:
If I understand this global warming cry correctly, then the rate of warming is supposed to be accelerating.

The implications are mindboggling. What it means is that they were crying about global warming long before it could have been detectable.

But hey...
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Don't get this.
 
LucyR said:
Don't get this.
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Over the last 40 years (this is a notable period due to the introduction of modern temperature measurement and reporting technology), the global mean teperature has been supposedly measured to have increased by about 0.25 degrees.

Assuming a LINEAR rate of increase (rather than an accelerating rate of increase) over 40 years, thats 0.00625 degrees per year.

Now, I'm pretty sure they have been crying about global warming for approximately 20 years. That leaves 20 years of warming to be the "detection period" where they came to the great conclusion that Global Cooling wasnt real, but that instead, Global Warming was... and note that in an accelerating increase model, these 20 years would have the smallest increase....

But it doesnt end here.. because not only do they claim that the increase is accelerating, but they also claim that as the acceleration increases, the yearly measured variance will also increase.. ie, the hotter it gets the cooler it might be (?!!)
 
Roadtoad said:
Okay, I am among the first to say we need to cut the amount of pollutants we dump into our atmosphere, but so much of the "Global Warming" panic has nothing to do with what's really going on in this old world of ours.

And now, we get this:

UAE sees snow for first time ever

Thu Dec 30,12:09 PM ET

DUBAI (AFP) - Snow has fallen over the United Arab Emirates for the first time ever, leaving a white blanket over the mountains of Ras al-Khaimah as the desert country experienced a cold spell and above-average rainfall.

Dubai airport's meteorology department told AFP that snow fell over the Al-Jees mountain range in Ras al-Khaimah, which is the most northerly member of the UAE federation.

The English-language Gulf News reported that the mountain cluster, 5,700 feet (1,737 metres) above sea level, "had heavy night-time snowfall for the past two days as a result of temperatures dropping to as low as minus five Celsius (23 Fahrenheit)" and stunning the emirate's residents.

On Monday, 12.6 millimetres (half an inch) of rain fell on the desert emirate of Dubai, where it hardly ever rains, as police reported 500 accidents on its roads in 24 hours, including one fatality, as a result of a three-day downpour.

A cold spell has hit the country this week, with the mercury plunging to 12 degrees Celsius (53.6 Fahrenheit) in Dubai on Wednesday night.

The meteorology department, however, said the chilly weather in Dubai, where summer temperatures reach 50 Celcius (122 Fahrenheit), will probably end by next week.


Yeah, babe, I'm gonna break out my swim trunks for a dip in the Arctic. :rolleyes:
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Global warming does not preclude localised cooling or unusual weather events.

The scientists are looking at what is happening in global terms, not just the odd weather event here and there.
 
Yeah, babe, I'm gonna break out my swim trunks for a dip in the Arctic.
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It was 40 degrees F and drizzly here in south-central Alaska today. Most years it is about 0 to -20 this time of year.

Freak occurances say nothing about global trends. I know the freaky stuff gives people a chance to rant and carry on, but it is time to look at the science and get over the freaky stuff.
 
Bob, AUP, I don't really question the idea that Earth is warming up. I question the source.

I don't think it's helpful to anyone to dump toxic sludge into our atmosphere. Only an idiot pulls that kind of crap.

But at the same time, I question whether we can actually put that much into the atmosphere to effect that sort of global change. The best theory I've read is that since the Earth is moving closer to the sun, it's going to get warmer over the next few centuries. Things are going to change. Running around in an Eco-panic solves nothing.

On the other hand, if we can plant more trees, some are saying, we can help to reduce the effects of GW to an extent. If that's all it takes, by all means, pass me a shovel and a mattock. There's work to do.
 
That's strange. This past christmass it snowed in the deep South Texas.(really weird seeing snow covered palm trees)
The last time it snowed down here was back in 1892.

So was global warming happening way back then too?
 
Roadtoad said:
Bob, AUP, I don't really question the idea that Earth is warming up. I question the source.

I don't think it's helpful to anyone to dump toxic sludge into our atmosphere. Only an idiot pulls that kind of crap.

But at the same time, I question whether we can actually put that much into the atmosphere to effect that sort of global change. The best theory I've read is that since the Earth is moving closer to the sun, it's going to get warmer over the next few centuries. Things are going to change. Running around in an Eco-panic solves nothing.

On the other hand, if we can plant more trees, some are saying, we can help to reduce the effects of GW to an extent. If that's all it takes, by all means, pass me a shovel and a mattock. There's work to do.
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For a non-scientific response, the astronauts in space used to see a pristine, clear atmosphere, now they don't.

For a scientific response, the IPCC has more information than you could poke a stick at. The idea that we, as a species, cannot affect the earths atmosphere, just because we can't, isn't scientifically sound. We affect the earth wherever we are. This is not, in itself, a bad thing. It's just what happens. As a species that is present all around the globe, when we affect all our local areas, we affect the globe as a whole.

The amount of CO2 can be measured, and it is rising. The amount is not being re-absorbed at the rate that we can pump it out. The hydrocarbons we are burning in a period of hundreds of years took millions to accumulate.
 
The best theory I've read is that since the Earth is moving closer to the sun, it's going to get warmer over the next few centuries. Things are going to change. Running around in an Eco-panic solves nothing.
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If you run the best scientific model we have at the moment through the computer, taking into account solar activity but not human activity, it predicts a lower temperature than exists. If you factor in human activity, it gets it about right.

In other words, the best models currently suggest that human activity in the last fifty years (though not before) has significantly affected the climate.

I agree that jumping on freak events is irrelevant but, as AUP says, that's not what the science is doing and the science is very strongly behind human-caused global warming.
 
iain said:
If you run the best scientific model we have at the moment through the computer, taking into account solar activity but not human activity, it predicts a lower temperature than exists. If you factor in human activity, it gets it about right.

In other words, the best models currently suggest that human activity in the last fifty years (though not before) has significantly affected the climate.

I agree that jumping on freak events is irrelevant but, as AUP says, that's not what the science is doing and the science is very strongly behind human-caused global warming.
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I'd like to read more about studies like this, do you have more info?
 
gnome said:
I'd like to read more about studies like this, do you have more info?
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The IPCC has a lot of information.

For actual papers, you should be able to look up the published papers of the participants.

I have tried reading some, and they make as much sense to me as a dissertation in quantum mechanics.
 
Happy to oblige. New Scientist seems like the best first port of call to me :

Sunspots
The Sun has been more active in the last 70 years than it has for the previous 8000, according to an analysis of tree rings dating back 11,400 years. But researchers say its recent bout of hyperactivity does not account for the rapidly rising temperatures recorded on Earth over the last three decades.
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Also take a look at this article from August

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People are responsible for the spike in global warming in the last 30 years, says a new US government report.

The document reports that global warming in the first half of the 20th century, estimated at 0.2°C above pre-industrial temperatures, "was likely due to natural climate variation", including increased solar activity.

But the approximate 0.5°C rise over the second half of the century, most pronounced in the last 30 years, can only be explained when factors related to human activity, such as carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions, are taken into account

"There's nothing else we can blame it on, really," says Kevin Trenberth, head of the climate analysis section at the US National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, where computer simulations produced the result. "If we don't put the changes in carbon dioxide into our models, we don't get global warming out."
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I'm soo tired, why on earth does people confuse weather for climate? Perhaps they are uneducated, or just watch Fox a litle to much?
 
Anders said:
I'm soo tired, why on earth does people confuse weather for climate? Perhaps they are uneducated, or just watch Fox a litle to much?
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Possibly the latter. But don't sweat it. We're weaning outselves off of it.

In the meantime, I wonder how much a flat of pine seedlings runs, and how many flats can I get onto a 48' flatbed?
 
It doesn't sound too OMG end of the world to me & some of it seems questionable.For example,I don't think there is a direct relationship between how hot someplace gets during summer to how cold it may get in winter. The hottest
place I know,Death valley in California, is certainly as hot (hotter actually) than UAE yet a midwinter day time high temp in the mid 50's isn't unheard of cold.Also,notice that the snowfall was at 5,700'!!The mountains surrounding Death Valley at the 5,700' level reguarly receive snow.I find it difficult to believe that a place no farther south than Corpus Cristi Texas wouldn't at 5,700' occassional get snow.If My comparison is flawed forgive me.I admit I'm not a scientist,but on the surface it doesn't seem remarkable at all to me.
 
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