Yates not guilty by reason of insanity

I posted this in P&CE myself.

Sorry, I really believe she knew that killing her children was wrong but listened to her beliefs instead. She's guilty, she's crazy, but right now I don't think she should be released ever.
 
LostAngeles said:
I posted this in P&CE myself.

Sorry, I really believe she knew that killing her children was wrong but listened to her beliefs instead. She's guilty, she's crazy, but right now I don't think she should be released ever.
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I agree she should never be released. I feel sorry for any one who could drown their own children. Mental illness is in some strange way linked to spiritual warfare if you ask me. And I really think the woman had to be demon possessed or on drugs to do such a terrible thing. Not that we can blame the devil for it, she has to take responsibility for her own actions. Just one more example of a sin sick person in need of a Savior.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I agree she should never be released. I feel sorry for any one who could drown their own children. Mental illness is in some strange way linked to spiritual warfare if you ask me. And I really think the woman had to be demon possessed or on drugs to do such a terrible thing. Not that we can blame the devil for it, she has to take responsibility for her own actions. Just one more example of a sin sick person in need of a Savior.
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She had a saviour, he told her to kill her kids, more religion is not the answer, quite the opposite in fact.
 
Out of curiosity, if she was possessed by a demon, why should she be held responsible for her own actions? They weren't really her actions, were they?
 
brodski said:
She had a saviour, he told her to kill her kids, more religion is not the answer, quite the opposite in fact.
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Oh but you don't realize that people who receive Christ are not able to be demon possessed. Look at all the examples of people set free from demon possession in the NT. I do believe people outside of Christ are in danger of this.

Jesus can and does set people free even today. Had this woman known Christ she could not have been controlled or used by Satan and his demons to commit such a terrible crime. Don't you think someone in their right mind would at least have questioned what they were doing?

God will hold her accountable for her actions as he does with each and everyone of us. I just hope she realizes her sin and repents. It's not okay to make excuses to let evil and wickedness control ones actions, and I certainly think Satan fuels the fire.
 
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Oh but you don't realize that people who receive Christ are not able to be demon possessed. Look at all the examples of people set free from demon possession in the NT. I do believe people outside of Christ are in danger of this.
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Fine, but even accepting this (which I don't, really, but that isn't the point right now), all we've established is that she must not be a true Christian. People don't get sent to jail for not being Christians-- any more, anyway.

Jesus can and does set people free even today. Had this woman known Christ she could not have been controlled or used by Satan and his demons to commit such a terrible crime.
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So, again, you make it sound like all she's really guilty of is not being a Christian. If any non-Christian is vulnerable to demonic possession, then how can you ever hold them responsible for their own actions? If a demon takes possession of my body and makes it do some terrible thing, then how can this rightly be regarded as "my" sin?

Don't you think someone in their right mind would at least have questioned what they were doing?
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Maybe, maybe not. Apparently the jury found that she was not in her right mind at the time.


God will hold her accountable for her actions as he does with each and everyone of us. I just hope she realizes her sin and repents. It's not okay to make excuses to let evil and wickedness control ones actions, and I certainly think Satan fuels the fire.
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But you haven't really answered the question here. If she was, as you suggest, possessed by a demon when she drowned her children, how can we say that the actions were hers? How can she be legally or morally responsible for an action that she took no voluntary part in?
 
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Maybe she was told by God to kill her children:

Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
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triadboy said:
Maybe she was told by God to kill her children:
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No, that verse says it's good to kill other people's children. God condones killing one's own children here:

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
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kurious_kathy said:
Oh but you don't realize that people who receive Christ are not able to be demon possessed. Look at all the examples of people set free from demon possession in the NT. I do believe people outside of Christ are in danger of this.
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It's hard for me to believe that you truly believe this bull. Well, can you please explain what motivated that preachers wife to kill her husband with a shotgun? After all, she was the fundie preacher's wife. I would think she was saved, right?. And according to you Kathy, she certainly was not demon possessed, because she was a Born Again Christian.
 
Trantor said:
It's hard for me to believe that you truly believe this bull. Well, can you please explain what motivated that preachers wife to kill her husband with a shotgun? After all, she was the fundie preacher's wife. I would think she was saved, right?. And according to you Kathy, she certainly was not demon possessed, because she was a Born Again Christian.
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Was she? Doesn't appear she was living her faith if she could want to murder someone. God warnes us plenty to not let the sun go down on our anger so why would anyone let themselves do something like that?
 
As a person who is recovering from a mental illness, I take great offense at your talk of, "needing a savior," and, "spiritual warfare." Every single day is a struggle for me and every little battle I win is a monumental victory. I do this without God and without Christ. I went from being nothing and being locked in a hospital to an undergrad at one of the top schools in the country. Instead of being a shattered wreck of a human being, I'm able to deal with obstacles that come my way. I'm able to function in the world.

It's not God in my life. It's not Jesus. It's my family and my friends, both in my everday life and those here. I may not have ever been as ill as her, but you've made a blanket statement about the mentally ill.

So please, take this into consideration before you open your mouth about Jesus being, "the only way." You keep doing this and it offends me everytime and I'd really appreciate if you cut it out and realized that there's a wide variety of recovery methods.

But then, I'd also like a magical princess pony.

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Hey, that sounds like fun!

C'mon, everybody! Group hug on LostAngeles!!

:grouphug5
 
howabout a group hug :grouphug:

and a unicorn :unicorn: which is magical and like a horsey.
 
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